I call veg time, waste of time. For SOG'S that is.
SOG system height question
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I call veg time, waste of time. For SOG'S that is.
And when you think about it, unless you have just the right ratio of veg area to flower area, vegging for just a week or two is always going to be a pain in the ass with a SOG, because otherwise you're wasting valuable space that could be used for flower.
Say you're vegging for 2 weeks, that means you need enough flower space that you've got somewhere to flower the clones you just vegged for 2 weeks, every 2 weeks. Otherwise you've got down time and you're wasting that space.
You'd need like 4 1ks to justify even 1 400w MH to veg them 2 weeks. Better to set it up so you don't need veg IMO.
Say you're vegging for 2 weeks, that means you need enough flower space that you've got somewhere to flower the clones you just vegged for 2 weeks, every 2 weeks. Otherwise you've got down time and you're wasting that space.
You'd need like 4 1ks to justify even 1 400w MH to veg them 2 weeks. Better to set it up so you don't need veg IMO.
I reckon the limit of light penetration for 1000W is about 3' or 90cm for a SOG. People who grow trees tend to hang them vertically and this can get around the problem. One must remember the stretch when put on 12/12. That's why I get a full cola of bud. I also know how my strain behaves very well.
HC, people talk about the penetration of a 1k and I always get confused. In my experience the penetration is much less than the numbers they give. I don't get decent bud much lower than 8 inches or so beneath the canopy. But I train my bushes into a sheet, so it's impossible for strong light to get much deeper than one layer of bud.
I keep thinking that one reason for higher SOG yields might be that you've got a bunch of tall stalks, rather than a sheet like I've got, so light travels down the open spaces between the stalks. Basically, you can allow penetration because the gaps don't close until lower down where the bottom of the stalks grow together, so the upper parts are separated and you're taking better advantage of your light? Does that make any sense?
Basically a SOG done right has a lot more surface area exposed to light?
I keep thinking that one reason for higher SOG yields might be that you've got a bunch of tall stalks, rather than a sheet like I've got, so light travels down the open spaces between the stalks. Basically, you can allow penetration because the gaps don't close until lower down where the bottom of the stalks grow together, so the upper parts are separated and you're taking better advantage of your light? Does that make any sense?
Basically a SOG done right has a lot more surface area exposed to light?
I agree. I can get 1g per watt growing SOG style. The colas are covered in bud from top to bottom. There is light getting down to the bottom of each cola. The disadvantage is high plant numbers. That is why people do SCROG'S.
You get 1g a watt from SOG, but what do you get if you grow bushes? See what I'm asking? I have no way of knowing what kinds of yields you would get if you grew bushes and trained them into a sheet like I described above. I'm wondering how much my yields might improve using a SOG. I get about .6 g/w with bushes trained into sheets.
I guess I'll find out in 7 weeks, lol. Just curious.
Also, what footprint/canopy area do you use for your lights? 4'x4' for a 1k or do you go bigger? 3'x3' for a 600?
I guess I'll find out in 7 weeks, lol. Just curious.
Also, what footprint/canopy area do you use for your lights? 4'x4' for a 1k or do you go bigger? 3'x3' for a 600?
I'm not sure about bushes, I only do SOG'S. I have a 1000W HPS over a 3x3 ebb/flow table and put 36 clones in it. I used to use a 600W HPS but found the yield was higher with the 1000W HPS.
There is a old thread from someone called pirate and it called pirates cave this is a good read just what you might be looking for
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=109231&highlight=pirate+cave
The op isnt adding to it any more but there is a lot of good thoughts and info that I think you would find interesting (and he grows lolly pops if you know what I mean)
I hope you get your answers take care
signed kava
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=109231&highlight=pirate+cave
The op isnt adding to it any more but there is a lot of good thoughts and info that I think you would find interesting (and he grows lolly pops if you know what I mean)
I hope you get your answers take care
signed kava
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http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=4072505
Smokeone that's my first SOG. I'll report my yields there. Eventually I may come back to this thread and report what I've learned about SOG heights.
Smokeone that's my first SOG. I'll report my yields there. Eventually I may come back to this thread and report what I've learned about SOG heights.
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I plant to make a new setup from:
old box 50cmx50cmx80cm (1,6´x1,6¨x2,6´)
250 hps in cool tube, cooled by 100 m3/h bathroom vent
Pots filled with coco (12x12x12)
I plant to put 16 clones(indica) directly to 12/12.
With this setup I have about 55 cm (1,8´) of growing space.
Will it be enough space?
old box 50cmx50cmx80cm (1,6´x1,6¨x2,6´)
250 hps in cool tube, cooled by 100 m3/h bathroom vent
Pots filled with coco (12x12x12)
I plant to put 16 clones(indica) directly to 12/12.
With this setup I have about 55 cm (1,8´) of growing space.
Will it be enough space?
