WTF?should 13yr old be smokin pot w/ prnts

[HempKat]

27 and two under two.


Gotcha. 100%. To me it doesn't really matter how natural it is, just what the bottom line safety is. Just like how datura is natural and mushrooms containing muscarine.

I also agree with you about these drugs being more profound. I threw in the safety part for consideration in the question of "where do you draw the line and why?". Is it just a physically safety issue? Is it psychological like many have said? I'm sure many parents around here would be more inclined to let their 15 year old try mushrooms than they would heroin. But the question remains, where and why? From cannabis to booze to shrooms to coke. Would you let them try any drug they threatened to do outside of the home if you didn't let them?

When I ask these questions I'm looking for opinions because I want to know what people are thinking, not try and change someone's opinion over the internet lol.

Your last reply made everything clear though, thanks for taking the time.

That's kind of a tough one to answer as it's much less likely that a young teen is going to come home wanting to try alot of these drugs. Alcohol in my mind is out of the question, it's so unnatural that just to be able to process it the human body has to convert it first into an acid that is stronger then hydrochloric acid which is why alcohol has alot of the physical side effects it does with long term use. Anything causing profound hallucinations that border on spiritual are also out in my opinion, even if the drug causing them is natural and doesn't harm the body. I don't think a mind that young is prepared for such experiences. Coke, heroin, meth, pills all of those in my mind are out because of their highly addictive nature.

The way I see it for many of those the safer at home then on the street argument doesn't work as well. The child might be safe from the dangers one can encounter on the street but there are dangers inheirent in many of those drugs. I met a guy once in a rehab that was only 22 years old and because of his cocaine abuse he had already had a massive heart attack that killed of a large percentage of his heart. Such that while he was a 22 year old in mind and most of his body he had to act more like a 70 year old because of his heart. The arguement works for marijuana because to the best of my knowledge nobody has ever overdosed on marijuana or had marijuana alone harm their bodies in any substantial way beyond the effects of smoking. So in enjoying marijuana the only substantial risks are the ones you might run into trying to buy it on the street.

 

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[HempKat]

Yes they smoke every day with their daughter. Its all they have ever done her entire life, its all she knows. In short the family is a fucking mess for alot a reasons. I just spent an hour typing a lengthy thread for you all and it somehow got deleted when I went to post it, very fucking pissed so Ill try again tomorrow. with more to details for you, its bed time.

Well if that's true and the child has no serious medical need then those parents are losers that should be punished pretty harshly. At the very least the child should be removed from the home in hopes that she can end up being more then just about sitting around getting high all the time. Alas chances are a foster home would just mess her up even more.

As for the message problem. When you spend too much time composing a message that can happen because the system timed you out as being inactive. There are two things that can help. One is real simple in that you can type out your post offline in wordpad and then copy and paste it when you are done. Another option is when you log in, next to where you enter your username there is a check box that says "remember me?" if you check that box when you log in the system is less likely to disconnect you when you appear inactive.

 

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[Grat3fulh3ad]

27 and two under two.

I would've guessed really close to that.
It'd be interesting to find out how much your opinion will have changed by the time your kids are 16 and you're 40....

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Yes they smoke every day with their daughter. Its all they have ever done her entire life, its all she knows.

So the problem you have with it is that they've been smoking with her all her life, not that parents are smoking with her at 13 years old.... They may be a mess, I don't doubt that, but them smoking with their daughter is more a symptom of their mess not a mess in and of itself.

Additionally, as a disclaimer... all of my responses have been to your original story, not to the new story that they have smoked with her every day all of her life... In your original story the 13 year old smoking was only just discovered:

So I have to ask you all! One of my family members friends has a 13 year old daughter, both parents are heavy pot smokers. My sister walked into their house the other day and their sat the 13 year old daughter smoking a bong with both parents, and of course the parents think, because the daughter said she wants to smoke pot "she is better off smoking with them than god knows where and with who!"

So you'll have to take everyone's replies in that vein, not in the vein of assuming they pushed pot smoking on their daughter before she could walk or talk... perhaps had you presented it then as you present it now... Maybe if you titled the thread "should parents smoke with their toddlers" or some such, and omitted the part about only just discovering that the teenager is smoking with them, you'd get the opinions you were looking for.

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

This world is crazy

in the USA and western world, 13 can still be considered a child. Some other places, girls marry at that age, they have kids, start families. If human beings didn't have the luxury of technology that makes us live longer we would start cramming life into a much smaller time period.

I think wanting to blaze with your kid is retarded at that age. The line should be clear between parent and child. But on the flip side, I've seen other cultures completely opposite to the west like the shamanic culture where it is a almost like a right of passage to do these things. Not so much to get "f#*ked up" or "stoned", that's not the way they interpret the experience. The tribal 13 year by now is already hunting and starting to provide for his family. The western 13 year may not be that advanced yet, there brains aren't as mature, maybe they are though. There are just so many variables.

When I was 13-14, I told my mom I wanted to smoke erb, she didn't want to blaze with me, she informed me of the good and the bad and advised me to wait if I can help it until I'm older. I didn't wait. Would I have waited if she was insanely strict and stern about it? also no. but if I didn't have the knowledge she gave me I may have done more harm to myself.

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[SuperSizeMe]

This world is crazy

in the USA and western world, 13 can still be considered a child. Some other places, girls marry at that age, they have kids, start families. If human beings didn't have the luxury of technology that makes us live longer we would start cramming life into a much smaller time period.

I think wanting to blaze with your kid is retarded at that age. The line should be clear between parent and child. But on the flip side, I've seen other cultures completely opposite to the west like the shamanic culture where it is a almost like a right of passage to do these things. Not so much to get "f#*ked up" or "stoned", that's not the way they interpret the experience. The tribal 13 year by now is already hunting and starting to provide for his family. The western 13 year may not be that advanced yet, there brains aren't as mature, maybe they are though. There are just so many variables.

When I was 13-14, I told my mom I wanted to smoke erb, she didn't want to blaze with me, she informed me of the good and the bad and advised me to wait if I can help it until I'm older. I didn't wait. Would I have waited if she was insanely strict and stern about it? also no. but if I didn't have the knowledge she gave me I may have done more harm to myself.

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Children are a product of their enviroment, just because other cultures do something doesn't make it right.They look to the adults in their lives to protect them and show them the way.

Pedophilia was absolutely the wrong comparison to draw on for this debate.

Telling them the truth and protecting them from some harsh realities are two entirely different issues.

 

[SacredTHCRitual]

Children are a product of their enviroment, just because other cultures do something doesn't make it right.They look to the adults in their lives to protect them and show them the way.

Pedophilia was absolutely the wrong comparison to draw on for this debate.

Telling them the truth and protecting them from some harsh realities are two entirely different issues.

Children are a product of their environment, yes

just because other cultures do something doesn't make it right, also true


Pedophilia was absolutely the wrong comparison to draw on for this debate... I wasn't talking about Pedophilia...different cultures do different things, some cultures marry young because the idea is that their people don't live as long. So this would concur with the idea that the 13 year old here may be older/younger mentally than a 13 y/o in another culture. They teach this in history class so it shouldn't be a shock to them.


Protect me from the harsh realities by helping me understand. You aren't helping me if you leave me hanging to find out the hard way. Creating a better environment should be the focus.

Reality is iof yu don't work hard to get to where you want to go, you may very well wake up unhappy and feeling trapped. That's real

 

[Sir_Nugget]

robert downy jr claims that he took his first puff of mj when he was only 5.... point is, whats wrong to you, may not seem wrong to another.. and as the OP said, the 13 yr old wanted to smoke.. If i remember correctly.. At the age of 13, I decided to go out and find some pot, and it ended up with me losing my 20 bucks.. now, when I was 13, a bunch of kids already smoked pot, maybe like 10% of the middle school more or less... 13 is young, but its about when it all starts...

 

[BrainSellz]

it is 2010...the times are changing and kids are definitely growing up faster....mo

 

[headband 707]

I like the one because other cultures do it doesn't make it right LOL .. Yeah and that also means you.. In their eyes you are wrong and they are right.. Who are you to say what is and isn't right in this fucked up world? LOL.. Just because USA or Canada does something doesn't mean it's somehow right because it's us lol...How completely persumptous of us.. I really get the feeling that this is more about what you want and not what they want and thats okay but it's just not reality.You can only go down your path by yourself, no one can do that one for you. You waste your time on this shit then the real problems in life are far more important then this one. It's kinda like when you tell kids when they can drink and for the USA that's 21 if anyone thinks thats a bit late lol. Talk to the kids that come to Canada and get so drunk they can't walk.. Now that shit is sad and not even a little funny.. Let them get it out of their system and definately drink at home with responsible adults if they are going to do it.But putting your head in the sand or pretending that a teen is going to actually listen to thier parents because they repect them so much ,Thats just wishful thinkin lol.. peace out Headband707

 

[JJScorpio]

Whether it's right or wrong, I'm not to say.

But I'll say this. Between the child telling people or someone else walking in and catching them, they are living on borrowed time. It won't be long before the Law comes calling if they are this open about it..... Kids have a tendancy to talk to their friends. And most adults are going to say something to someone...... I hope they don't grow at home.....

 

[HempKat]

This world is crazy

in the USA and western world, 13 can still be considered a child. Some other places, girls marry at that age, they have kids, start families. If human beings didn't have the luxury of technology that makes us live longer we would start cramming life into a much smaller time period.

We did, back during the frontier days in America when everyone was moving West, being married and having kids at age 13 was quite commonplace.

 

[moresntoil]

So the problem you have with it is that they've been smoking with her all her life, not that parents are smoking with her at 13 years old.... They may be a mess, I don't doubt that, but them smoking with their daughter is more a symptom of their mess not a mess in and of itself.

Additionally, as a disclaimer... all of my responses have been to your original story, not to the new story that they have smoked with her every day all of her life... In your original story the 13 year old smoking was only just discovered:



So you'll have to take everyone's replies in that vein, not in the vein of assuming they pushed pot smoking on their daughter before she could walk or talk... perhaps had you presented it then as you present it now... Maybe if you titled the thread "should parents smoke with their toddlers" or some such, and omitted the part about only just discovering that the teenager is smoking with them, you'd get the opinions you were looking for.

my bad, the girl just started smoking at 13, but has watched them do it her hole life.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

my bad, the girl just started smoking at 13, but has watched them do it her hole life.

My son has watched me do it his whole life, and has known about the grow since he was 9 or so.

everything is subjective and based on the individuals involved.
there is no 'arcoss the board age' answer to the problems presented in this thread.

I say the world needs less judging and more empathy.

 

[tapferschwein]

a similiar case in germany and how it went wrong: article only in german

short summary in english:
14 year old son was allowed to smoke weed by his parents. they
had a special "smoking room" with water-pipes, 85g of buds and 18 plants in their basement. a friend of the boy got in trouble with police and told them about the smoking room...
parents where judged to 6 and 10 month suspended sentence.

 

[mule420]

My children have seen me grow and smoke their whole life. The 19 year old we blaze it up. The 14 now 15 year old got caught smoking with friends and I sent that child to summer school... I already told that child when you finish high school and are 18 I will load the first one for you. If you can't show me responsibility when sober why should I think you have any maturity to handle a "altered reality" ??? Or even talk about driving yet... I'm a hard ass...

 

[Maria_Vanessa]

Whether it's right or wrong, I'm not to say.

But I'll say this. Between the child telling people or someone else walking in and catching them, they are living on borrowed time. It won't be long before the Law comes calling if they are this open about it..... Kids have a tendancy to talk to their friends. And most adults are going to say something to someone...... I hope they don't grow at home.....

This needs to be repeated over and over again. This issue is not about the kid or any kids.

It's about the parents. When any parent makes the decision to give their kids permission to smoke cannabis in the house or in their presence, they automatically assume the consequences of their children being taking away, temporarily or permanently, from them if the Law finds out.

 

[Captain Ginyu]

That is definitely a case of child abuse! No friggin way would I do that. Those parents, IMO have given up being real parents. A child that age is very vulnerable, & impressionable. There needs to be barriers & boundaries, (no bongs!) I'm not going to write a book justifying my statement, but you only have one chance to raise a kid, & teach them to stay out of trouble. I would only look the other way if my son truly understands & is a legal adult capable of critical thinking.