Advanced Nutrients, Love it or Hate it, State your claim!

[B. Friendly]

I always have used Canna but recently started using AN BigBud and Hammerhead and canna A & B as my base nutes, i have to say after 15yrs of growing i have finally found sumting that actually works.

I used to read alot f bullshit on the net about Advanced Nutrients being not so good, but i noticed most the people who posted threads were inexperienced growers or growers who have never tried the product. As far as i know from my personal experiance the Bigbud and Hammerhead is worth the money.

got nothing to do with whether or not AN is good product,

the deal is that they are way over priced and yes they have tons of products that are repeats and crossover nut products,

so yes they are shitty cuz they advertise like crazy and people fall for the high price thinking it must translate into better product but it's not.

I have had better results with GH and for half the price, not that GH is giving away anything. GH has a solid line of product and no repeat products like AN pushes

and i have a decades worth of growing under my belt, tried everything by now.

 

[ShroomDr]

atami, gh, botanicare, american agritech all did the same thing, now go tell everyone there shady as well!

In addition, dynagro, budswell, CES, Eden Bioscience Corp (Messenger), BioBizz, Roots Organics, House & Garden, Pure Flowers, Maxicrop, Phosphoload, Hygrozyme, Dutch Masters, Hi-Yield/ferti-lome, Harvest Moon, Supernatural all had products/were products that made that list.

http://www.oregon.gov/ODA/PEST/stopsales.shtml

Hell, the only two i can think of that didnt were Foxfarm and Technaflora (im sure there are more).

 

[Frostynugz]

The whole reason as to why they aren't shipping to Oregon and California are explained in a link I'll post and hope it wont be removed(plz). Fast forward to 2 minute mark.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnpONATTYhM

 

[Clackamas Coot]

But-but-but how can FatBoy Mike be 'shady' since he includes those (in)famous 'amino acids' that are all the rage to discuss without a scintilla of information about WHICH amino acids he and his 'lab' are including.

As usual.

The problem that FatBoy Mike has with regulatory agencies has absolutely NOTHING to do with 'unmentioned ingredients' which is the famous/familiar cry from the devotees of this crap.

FatBoy Mike's problem is that he's a liar and he and his idiots decided to declare war against the ODA investigators.

Guess who'll win?

LMAO

CC

 

[YosemiteSam]

As near as I can tell amino acids primary use is to chelate micros. If your micros are already chelated, or your pH control is good enough aminos ain't gonna do much for you. On top of that it seems that it does not particularly matter which aminos you use...but for chelation it is important to use 2 moles of amino per mole of micro...which AN does not do. Looks to me like AN bought some aminos designed for humans and chunked them in without checking for themselves whether or not they contained what they claimed (if you think the hydro nute industry is shady check out the human supplement industry...talk about some shady motherfuckers).

The one OR deal I looked at was for big bud...P and K were not in violation...the label amounts and the test amounts were very close. Several of the aminos were not in the label concentration amounts...not particularly a big deal because the way they are used in this particular product is nothing but marketing bullshit anyways...in my opinion that would not have hurt anyones grow.

But, the actual Mg was way lower than the label...like practically non-existent. That could hurt someones grow if they were counting on that label to do ppm analysis to create their own mix.

Overall though...what I feel was really revealed is not that Big Mike is a little shady (I thought that was common knowledge) but that mostly the whole fucking industry is a little shady. My new opinion is they are basically equal in shadiness and Big Mike is a better marketer causing a lot of haters.

Buy your own salts, make your own mix, and stop worrying about it. For about 1/10 the cost you can end up with much better nutes. Hell, use ANs tissue analysis to design your formula...works like a dream and makes you all warm and fuzzy on the inside knowing you are not letting those guys fuck you anymore.

As far as secret, off label ingredients...bullshit. Tap into the knowledge from the greenhouse growers industry...much less hype, way better results.

 

[tester]

That amino acid content looks like it comes from some kind of plant matter, most likely some seaweed extract or alfalfa.

These are common and cheap additives, nothing extra.

Most plants contain the same ratios and percentages of these amino acids.

 

[YosemiteSam]

that would make more sense. thanks tester.

kinda funny though. if they would have just listed seaweed instead of all of the aminos and actually added Mg they would have passed.

there is your "secret ingredient" bullshit right there.

 

[trueblu23]

Urban grower is such a tool, it is so obvious he pre planned everything is when he interviews all the seedbank owners/growers and they all just love advanced nutrients lol. I made a comment on how unorganized the cannabis cup was and got bombarded by his group of high school followers who know nothing about the herb. he also disaproved all my comments after that rofl. Him, that erik biksa douche and "big mike" are all just out to make money off people with their 50 different nutes with cool cartoon logos. Sorry lol just had to vent a little after seeing the link for his youtube videos.

 

[Frostynugz]

Urban grower is such a tool, it is so obvious he pre planned everything is when he interviews all the seedbank owners/growers and they all just love advanced nutrients lol. I made a comment on how unorganized the cannabis cup was and got bombarded by his group of high school followers who know nothing about the herb. he also disaproved all my comments after that rofl. Him, that erik biksa douche and "big mike" are all just out to make money off people with their 50 different nutes with cool cartoon logos. Sorry lol just had to vent a little after seeing the link for his youtube videos.

Although I have nothing against AN (I haven`t used their products extensively enough) I do agree that they seem to spend alot on marketing and using flashy labels and not so much telling you exactly whats in the product. IMO the proof is in the pudding so if it works for ya then giv`r. If not use what has worked best for ya previously. I DO recall reading a thread somewhere on here that said bud factor-x and bud candy had the same ingredients but theres a HUGE price diff between the 2. Makes ya wonder

 

[Admiral Canna]

If Budswel is on there, you have to wonder how credible the list is.

That product is made is very small batches, with bat shit and worm castings. One of the better bloom boosters and flavor enhancers I have come across.

I agree with AN being overpriced! Anyone who pays for that feels like spending more money than they need to IMO.

 

[Guest 18340]

oval, I merged your thread with mine. Yours starts here https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=185418&page=27, #401

 

[Bud Bug]

If Budswel is on there, you have to wonder how credible the list is.

That product is made is very small batches, with bat shit and worm castings. One of the better bloom boosters and flavor enhancers I have come across.

I agree with AN being overpriced! Anyone who pays for that feels like spending more money than they need to IMO.

Well AN is really overpriced on the basic cheap to make additives like Bud Candy, Rhino Skin and B52 and Voodoo. If you look at their food pricing its in line with everyones price and the three part is cheaper and so is Sensi. Now it could also be the store is charging more for AN then the competitors.

If you look at the prices for say

PH up/down
F1/H2
Mother Earth Tea

the prices are no more then offerings from Botanicare, GH, Grotek.

My main gripe again is the BS advertising and statements they make plus I can't stand the shits that comes out of Big Mikes mouth on the videos he makes.

Plus they lost any favorable brownie point they had when fat ass started the Sunlight Supply video and smear campaign. Seriously any company that tries to give a bad name to a competitor with out going through the proper channels first and tries the get the court of public opinion on their site is border line scam.

Anyone seen the bull drinking AN and pissing out GH in the RoseBud Mag? Seriously you're showing this in a "life style" magazine. LOL grow the fuck up.

 

[Bud Bug]

Although I have nothing against AN (I haven`t used their products extensively enough) I do agree that they seem to spend alot on marketing and using flashy labels and not so much telling you exactly whats in the product. IMO the proof is in the pudding so if it works for ya then giv`r. If not use what has worked best for ya previously. I DO recall reading a thread somewhere on here that said bud factor-x and bud candy had the same ingredients but theres a HUGE price diff between the 2. Makes ya wonder

Bud Factor and Bud Candy are two totally different products. Bud Factor is scorpion juice thats relabeled and Bud Candy is carbs.

 

[farmdalefurr]

personally i was on the fence about AN so i decided to finally try their sensi ab grow/bloom and the bud candy.i was using botanicare cns17 which i have no complaints about, but didnt feel it was putting out what it should. on this batch of clones i honestly imo can tell a big difference. the veg growth has been nothing but great so im excited to see how the bloom sensi does w/ the bud candy. i dont give a shit about neat labels and putting out their own magazine etc. etc. etc. but if the shit works...... it works. definitely dont go out and blow your wad on the entire lineup. one thing ill never go without again though is the AN up/down. so much more concentrated and stable than the orange/blue stuff

 

[Bulldog11]

Hate it! Once, a hydro store owner spilled some on my shoe lace and I said, "Dam AN!!! I will never use this product!" Just playing, smoked a little too much today already.

 

[tester]

It could also be Aloe leaf juice gel Tester. A whole lot of organics contain natural amino acids. What's the product smell like is often a good way of guestimating the content after lab analysis.

Yep, my point was that it's not made from carefully selected amino acids directly designed for cannabis by AN researchers co-oping with aliens, it's just some kind of plant extract, nothing extra.


Some of the marketing BS:

Big Bud Flower Booster Has the Right Amino Acids that Make Larger Harvests

And because the scientists did lots of investigation in forms of garden you grow, Big Bud which is made right after those research, does not have those problems. In Big Bud, the proper stuff are placed in the bloom booster formula as they discovered the appropriate amino acids that provides huge harvests.
That is why Big Bud consists of the powerful, easily absorbable "L" kind amino acids, which is one of the most successful and hard to manufacture type of amino acids. Far better than other forms of amino acids, the Big Bud's L-forms activate floral production much better.

You may not find another formula that has all the amino acids that Big Bud features even if you spend your very existence searching for it. That's because Big Bud is the only booster which has the unique L-forms of Alanine, Arginine, Asparagine, Aspartic acid, Cysteine, Glutamic acid, Glutamine, Glycine, Histidine, Isoleucine, Leucine, Lysine, Methionine, Phenylalanine, Proline, Serine, Threonine, Tryptophan, Tyrosine, and Valine.

Big Bud's excellent L forms of all 20 amino acids nourish floral growth and support plant health so your plants are stronger overall. You heard it right - the immune system along with the genuine infrastructure of the plant is made by Big Bud so plants turn out to be a lot more effective and tougher.

http://www.billboardmama.com/blog/blog1.php/2010/04/22/advanced-nutrients


So what does it smell like?
It smells like shit to me

 

[jacksprout]

i just used bud candy for the first time and noticed more triches. definately worked for me. i will be using just molasses this time to compare.

 

[RedRain]

their food goes bad way too quick...i have had so much b-52 go bad its not even funny...when you have a ton of plants you are feeding it really sucks

i switched to house and garden, they have a 2 year no questions asked warranty on that.

not to mention 4 years ago they were telling people to feed at ridiculous PPM levels and they dropped down every year..ccmon doesnt that sound like buy more and waste more of our food???

the nutrients industry is a gravy train, i have a lot of friends that make their own food and additives, they only get a rooting additive from another company

advanced is overpriced crap that makes your pot taste like garbage

Anyone seen the bull drinking AN and pissing out GH in the RoseBud Mag? Seriously you're showing this in a "life style" magazine. LOL grow the fuck up.

yea i laugh everytime i see that,, they just toss a ton of cash around and some titties and have a really average overpriced product...its like bose...million dollar marketing for an ok product makes people beleive the product is more than it really is!!

 

[DirtDoctor]

Nothing wrong w/ AN nutes - I get my 2+ using their 3-Part, Big-Bud & Overdrive.

Mother Earth Tea I replace with PureBlendPro hippy-compost tea, and I use Molasses for carbs.

Every line of nutes out there has tons of additives, most of which are unnecessary.

 

[BCNeil]

Piranha and Tarantula liquid form just both came out at the store I use. Both extremely expensive, each litre is way more than the old powder, about the same price as the bulk 500g bucket use to be. Close to $200 each after tax, for 1 litre sizes.

I have used AN before and it worked well, right now not using it cause I am experimenting with coco-coir and specific nutes for that.

Yeah but any noob that goes out and buys into the entire line (which lots of people do)
Is going to be a big startup cost, even with the smallest sizes your looking at around $1000 to get a litre of each item for their system.