Homemade Coli Green crack x Bubba Kush

[Abomablegrowman]

Well although this my 1st post, it's not my first time on here. Due to security issues and mostly paranoia, I changed my handle for this thread. I'll only be able to update it with pics every week or so due to the location of the grow.
So to start off with, I have grown for a few years now and I don't claim to know it all,but I do have a good solid base. Most of the stuff I learned has been through actual experience and more so probllems that have occured in past grows and that I've corrected. So if there are any questions, feell free to ask, as I have run into the most unprobable problems, curable problems, lack of attention/knowledge problems ect. If there was something to break, I've broken it! if there was something to fuck up, I've fucked it up! So hang on and wish me luck!


So here are the particulars:

~20' x 8' sealed room
~24000 btu mini split with heat pump
~8 burner cvr co2 with sentinel room controler
~2x Sentinel digital pump timers
~4000 watts
~3 x100 plant tables stacked on top of each other for rooting and vegging
~2 homemade coli's 170 plant sites each
~2 50 pint dehumidy's
~3 1/4 hp water chillers
~Room within a room (1' gap between grow room walls and exterior walls
~entire room wrapped in 1/4 '' hardware cloth to prevent mice and rats from entering
~1 35kw whisperwatt genny
~air cool lights
~Dutchmaster gold range with LL and saturator delivered with a fogger.Zone ,Silica
~ 3 uv sterilizer submersible pumps
~An ass load of misters
~5 1/2 hp jet pumps
~4 humidifiers
~ass load of oscilating fans
~2 2000 cfm blowers for air cooling the lights

So lets get on with the show. BTW the girls look a little down cuz I just stripped off the rock wool they came in on as this is a mediumless grow and I hate rockwool so.... plus it's nite time for them at the time of photo' Here we go!

 

[Abomablegrowman]

I'm having some issues tryin to move pics from my album into this thread. Can anyone help a guy out?

 

[Abomablegrowman]

Nope that didn't work

 

[Abomablegrowman]

Here we see what the roots looked like 7 days after getting over the rockwool puled off.And a bad Ph issue.I calibrated my tri-meter the day before putting it in the rez,and for shits and giggles I re-calibrated it a day and half latr and it was off by 1.2 points! Not good! Got that fixed, Then I had some rez issues, white floaties,with some brown slime on the roots.so I gave the roots a h202 bath,and bought a few uv sterilizers submersiible pumps.As you can see in the pic below,I built a rez from pond liner,but due to the amount of folds and what not in the liner, it's impossible to clean so... 20 gal rubbermaid. works good though! Then if that wasn't enough problems, I noticed hat my rh whle the lights were on was at 35%-40% max! I noticed that all the girls were drooping, so I bought some humidifiers, and by keeping those running at High, and wetting towels, I can successfully keep the rh at 6o%-75% during veg.The low level of rh, imo was responsible for a nute burn that I noticed early on because the ppms were only at 350 or so.At which time I began a flush and for two days and now I'm back on schdule

Here is a pic of the rez with my pipes draining back into them.7 rows 7 drains,no plugage,which was an issue last grow.

Here we see 1 of my tri-meters. I love these things. So handy!

My 2 50 pint dehumidy's. I'm not sure but I might need another one.If I do I'm gonna go with an industrial one I think.


Here is the 2nd of the 2 coli's that is waiting for some plants that'll be coming from the system that's in use right now

Here is 1 of the pumps that feeds 85 or so misters

Heres where all the majic, er I mean MONEY is! Damn that shit is expensive

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Here we see the coli that is in use. I had saddles on them but I had issues with the misters hitting the roots, so I had to rip it all down and strategically place the plants so the misters would hit em.Normally I wouldn't Veg in here ,the 2 coli's are strictly for flowering, but my t5 haven't arrived yet so.... nessecity is the mother of all invention right?


This is where the girls will be vegged and rooted. It's 3 beds 3.5 ft x 6ft.Don't ask why the fucked up dementions,just know that the next ones will be 4x4 or 4x8!!!! Each bed hold 100 babies and I'll use this to root for 2 wks, then veg for 2wks, then into 1 of the coli's after the get trimmed up to a single cola.The trimmings will be the new batch, thus making it a perpetual harvest every month. I hope so anyways!



This is the 8 burner co2 gen








Hopefully this works! lol

 

[Abomablegrowman]

Wow I didn't even realized that I put this in the indoor hydro section. If the Mods want to move it over to the Vertical section,please feel free. Sorry!

 

[Reg Dunlop]

I always wondered if that corregated pipe wuld work.How do you find they work? are they light proof? You must have saved a bundle on 45's and other fittings?

 

[Abomablegrowman]

Wow not a whole lot of interest in this thread! Oh well I'm going to keep up with it. lol

Reg, the pipes work out not too bad, what I did have an issue with is some slime in the rez, but I cleaned it all out and added dm zone at 3mls per gallon and h2o2 aswell as I'm not using organics nor benes. It cleaned up my rez nicely but just yesterday I noticed some white little floaties in the little spaces in the corrugated spaces? It might have come from when I didn't have poly around my pool noodles. Or mabey it came from the potassium silicate? I have Barricade and that shit is pretty thick so I made up a new rez and added some more zone at 3.5 mls per gal and 22 mls of h202 35% to a 20 gal rez and 16 mls of barricade as I use it as a ph up aswell, After I thought about it I was thinking that might be a little too much barricade and mabey that's where that white shit is coming from. I found some slime and some of my bigger roots aswell upon further inspection so I gave them all a good root bath and sniped of any of the roots that werebrown and dead looking I hope this cures them. I also put a uv submersible pump sterilizer pump in the rez aswell! but that white shit for the most part stays in the little spaces in the pipe. Will the zone kill it when it passes through I wonder? Well I guess I'll find out soon
If any one else has any opinions, I'd love to hear them!

 

[Marshall]

i have a feeling you are going to have water stay in the pipe in the grooves.

Keep us updated on the progress

 

[Abomablegrowman]

So I was in my grow room today and a while ago I bought an infrared tempature digital reader thngy (it wason sale for 25 bucks) I figured I could use it to read the temps on my exterior walls as my grow room is a room in a room, well it worked well for that I think, I don't really have anything to compare it to, but anyways, I thought it might be useful in side my grow room. I checked my water, and tri meter said it was 68 and so did the reader,canapy temp bang on with my sentinel co2 reader at 75.5 F. So for shits and giggles I pulled a plant out, and keep in mind I was battling slime and brown roots for about a week now, they're just starting to grow nice new fuzzy roots and root hairs. So I point this thing in there, and to my surprise it reads that it is 78-79 F!!!

Now ,I've always kept my canapy temp at 75 f and I have a chiller that maintains a water temp of 68, but does any of that make a difference if my root zone temps are close to 80-85f ? Is it possible that, that is what brought on the brown roots, and slime? The water that stays in the pipe is constantly being replaced every 3 mins with new water.
So what I did at light on is lower my canapy temp to 70f and that brought down my rooy zone temp to 67-68f, and I checked them about 7 hours later.... and I'm sure that I saw a ridiculous change for the better.

What do you guys think?

 

[johnny drama]

sounds like you figured out the problem. set up looks cool as shit that must have took for ever to plan and build.

 

[Abomablegrowman]

Thanks Drama. Yeah it took alot of mistakes, and time and money! Believe or not,I've learned more from the mistakes that I made in the past then any other resource out there. Mind you all those planning mistakes and design mistakes also cost me money, so be certain that I make sure that I don't make them again!!!! lol

So for an update, so far so good, lots of new root growth, and some of the smaller girls that I thought wouldn't make it are starting to sprout new growth! I was really starting to get pissed! I had all the enviromental controls covered! RH @ 60-70% day and night. all the control I could ever want or need with regards to air temps.I can get as low as 10f to 90f. Mini splits are awsome!My canopy temps were always 75-76.5f . I have 3 rez chillers. 3 uv sterilizer pumps to keep a clean rezs, along with zone and h2o2. Rez temps never exceed 68F. Yet I'm still getting slime? but then I got to thinking, in the ppast I've always used pvc pipe which has thicker walls,and it was white as well.Where as these pipes are quite thin, and black,so not only are the pipes getting broad sided with light, the color of the pipes are actually attracting the light. Well now it looks as though I goter figured out.... I hope! lol I guess we'll have to see in a couple of days here. Hopefully there hasn't been too much damage or stress on the girls. Some are about 10'' tall and the weaker ones are about 5'' tall. I'll have to strategically place them so the bigger ones don't over shadow the smaller ones before the roots get all tangled up together! Wish me luck!

 

[DHF]

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[Marshall]

DHF brought up some good points.

Maybe you can insulate the pipe or cover it in reflective material like Panda. Wonder if you could paint it white in between grows? How about pushing air through the tubes? Did you take the temp off the pipe or the actual roots?

I think it is important to get the root zone temp fixed cause like DHF said, running low canopy temps is a waste of CO2.. I didnt think of that but it seems to make sense


I like to see the vertical grows. I really want to do one, just havent had the opportunity

 

[Abomablegrowman]

Yeah I had already thought about that, I actually had all the pipes covered with black and white poly, but when my lones were ready for pick up, my t5's hadn't arrived yet and the vert system isn't really set up for flower cuz I have the sites a little farther apart to cope with larger plants. And with larger plants, comes larger roots were the sprayers can hit the entire root ball, but there wasn't many roots left once I got the rock wool off so I had to angle the stems towards the sprayer so the could misted! Next round, it'll be a bit smoother! I'm actually thinking about usin that silver relex air bubble stuff, it seems to be a bit more insulated then the black and white poy. Plus with the round bits that I cutout for the plant sites, I can use them for pool noodle covers aswell.
I was thinking of cost effective ways to blow air down the each of the pipes but couldn't come up with anything other then 4'' fans, but the only ones I can get around here are square and $30 each.And I'm not really all that good with patients! lol If it doesn't fit in perfectly, after about 5 mins of fustration, I start looking like someone with parkinsons trying to put together a puzzle. Do you guys have any ideas that I haven't thought of, cuz I m stumped.

 

[DHF]

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[Lex Dysic]

DHF speaks the truth.


I think your best bet is to wrap the drain pipe and any other associated nute lines.
When the canopy fills in it probably won't be such an issue.

Maybe take the rez temp down to 65F??

I love the drain pipe idea....I see one of these in my future at some point....
Probably start small to see how it goes.

Take care.
Lex

 

[Abomablegrowman]

Well yesterday I was starting o notice a few plants leaves starting to turn yellow and stunted growth, the internodes were very very close together! So I read up on this and I came to conclusion that it might have been from my uv pump knocking out Iron and zinc and mabey a few other metal based nutes, so I've shut down the uv sterilizer for now till I get a uv balance solution. I also changed back to Flora Nova cuz I just wasn't seeing the results I wanted and I'm sure it's the user error cuz I've seen some real nice plants with DM gold range, just not mine! lol So I'm really switching I guess cuz I'm more familiar with Flora Nova more then anything. I'll giver another try with DM later on in the futre mabey but for now it's gonna be the Nova. I have to say the girls respoded very well to it. I've seen em grow about 3-4'' over the last 24 hours or so. They were stalled with the Dm and the uv pump going and I think they were just waiting to take off.
On a side note, I'm not sure how much phosphate (p2o5) plants need during veg, but in the past I've always used Flora Nova in Veg aswell as Flower and I've always seen great results, and I noticed with the dm veg,that there is barely any in it? I think it's sitting at 1% where as nova sitting at 8%. Mabey some one here has an idea or some info on that?

 

[Abomablegrowman]

Well here are some new pics if any one cares! lol

These 2 shots are from the back side of the system





If the girls look a bit droopy in the these shotrs it's cuz I took the pics during lights off, cuz if I take em when tyhe lights are on, it's way too bright and you can't see shit!








I'm really debating about defoilating these girls come the 2nd or 3rd wk of flower.I read through about 3/4 of that thread and me thinks there is proff in the pics, but then again there is alot of rejection to the idea too. Mabey Greyskull will chime in, I know he's right in aero! What is everyone elses thoughts on defoilating in a vert sog?

About 3/4 of the girls are about 11''-13'' tall while about a 25% are still at 8'' or so. So what I'm gonna do is put all the big girls on a row and all the smaller ones on their own rows.That should take care of the light blocking by bigger plants.








On a side note, I was trying co2 in veg but I noticed some problems and I wanna see if they were common. I used co2 twice and noticed the same symptoms both times. The first time I misdiagnosted it as a nute problem. So I switched nutes and shut off co2. Everything went back to normal again! 2-3''/day growth, all the girls were perky and nice so I turned on the co2 again to700 ppms.Then the problem came back, wilted leaves at first then the dying off of roots? So I shut the co2 down again, and problem solved! I now have pearly white roots sprouting from the brown dead ones again. I now it's not enviromental, cuz I have all perameters in check.I know it's not staining of the roots from flora nova, cuz 1) I know what that looks like and 2) it did it while I was using DM gold range aswell! Anyone experience this before cuz I'm a little worried about using my co2 come flower time! Is it possible that the co2 got into the roots zone and deprived the roots of o2.If so how the hell would I stop that? co2 is a gas, its not exactly easy to manipulate the exact placement of gas if you know what I mean! vAnyone got and idea here!

But other then that all is good.I think I'll flip em in about 6 days or so, and hit em with some bushmaster after a week or so of strech.

 

[Abomablegrowman]

Not a whole lot of intrest in this thread! lol
Just wanted to give it a bump to see if anyone else has had the same co2 problems and what poples thoughts were on defoilating in a vert setup?

 

[Zen Master]

I'd defoilate in vert for sure, anything blocking budsites goes for me.

I'm curious as well about the c02.