2 weeks in and yellowing? help

[WeedKrazy420]

found a free pack of mods dream goddess tucked away from years back. gave um to a friend to try and start up to see if they'd work and they did. the 1st one that popped started out really good and is on to its 1st 3 point leaves but 13-15 days in they noticed the last 3 days its starting to turn from the nice green to a yellowish color? its not too much nutes I seen that problem before and they haven't even added any nutes to them yet. they have used spring water to water every 2 days or so in 1 gallon pots that are under a 250hps for now. started them in peat pellets then went into pro mix. should they just add a small dose of nutes to it to help it along? gave them some shultz 10-15-10 to use that I have used before. would hate to lose this great strain from something that could be fixed easily? I even searched the stickies and am stumped. I never had problem after plants are this old before. usually if the plants died its cause it was a seedling or whatever but never this size. here is a picture of the yellowing. can anyone give me some tips so I can pass on the info so the poor thing can hopefully live on!!!

 

[WeedKrazy420]

heres 2 more pix

 

[SumDumGuy]

This appears to be a legitimate nitrogen deficiency. That means you really didn't feed nutes very nice. If it were a pH issue you'd see leaf deformities and you have none. If it was a nutrient lockout then you'd see multiple deficiencies. Here you have only one clear deficiency and thats the nitrogen. Your petioles are nice and purple and the new growth is lushy green. Read the directions for the nutrients and whatever dose it asks for divide that by 4 and use that to the gallon. Feed from that gallon once and make sure the feed that follows is plain tap.

 

[WeedKrazy420]

thanks will have then do this asap!

 

[The Wang]

I don't know what your watering schedule looks like, but keep in mind that a plant being over watered will start to yellow as well.

 

[WeedKrazy420]

I always used the lift the pot method so thats what I told them to do. usually just watered it and lifted the pot to see how heavy it was then once they look dry and stuff you lift um again and see and when they are nice and and light you rewater them and repeat. Its usually about ever 2 or 3 days in a one gallon and when it gets less than that replant to a bigger pot. had them give um a dose of nutes today. will let ya know if it helps!

 

[WeedKrazy420]

they noticed some nice new growth after that dose of nutes yesterday. the leaves that were yellow are still not looking good. they are starting to twist up now after the 1st day of nutes. they will prolly all die off. as long as it stays alive thats all that matters

 

[SumDumGuy]

they noticed some nice new growth after that dose of nutes yesterday. the leaves that were yellow are still not looking good. they are starting to twist up now after the 1st day of nutes. they will prolly all die off. as long as it stays alive thats all that matters

Did you use the quarter dose? Your new growth was looking great to begin with though the rest of the plant was yellowing. Since you're not in hydro you will not see the change over night but rather the next few days. Can you upload a picture of do you have an album. Remember also these plant NEVER had nutes, They will come back strong but I'd really like to see this twisting you are referring to..

 

[WeedKrazy420]

I don't know what the hecks with these things?? Now the new growth looks a lil cupped... Had them use like 4 lil drops of the stuff in a quart bottle said to add 8 drops to a quart. never had a problem using the stuff before. this is the only time I seen a problem this far in. i have seen a lil nute burn late in flower but never a problem like this before ever. figures lol.... even the other smaller mutated plant is starting to turn a small yellowish.. heres pixs of both..

 

[WeedKrazy420]

heres the pics

 

[SumDumGuy]

I don't know what the hecks with these things?? Now the new growth looks a lil cupped... Had them use like 4 lil drops of the stuff in a quart bottle said to add 8 drops to a quart. never had a problem using the stuff before. this is the only time I seen a problem this far in. i have seen a lil nute burn late in flower but never a problem like this before ever. figures lol.... even the other smaller mutated plant is starting to turn a small yellowish.. heres pixs of both..

K I see. Well seems like they used a bit much for the first feed. The instructions ask for 8 drops (though I read it was 7 somewhere) you say and they used 4. They should have used 2. K - I don't mean to be an ass but I said use only a quarter - not a third - certainly not half. Sorry man it's just that I'm SUPER EXACT when I measure stuff out and I expect people to be the same. I KNOW THIS ISN'T YOUR FAULT - You told them what to do and they may have said "ah fuck it this looks good enough" . Your nutes have an NPK of 10-15-10 so this is already strong stuff. If they ask for 8 drops then it only takes 8 drops of this stuff to make a quart of water 10% nitrogen / 15% Phosphorus / 10% Potassium. At half which it what they used - the juice is at 5%/7.5%/5%. The mix they should have used would have been 2.5%/3.75%/2.5%. Again man I know you were trying to help them. Lesson #1 learned for them. With 4 quarts to the gallon - the 4 drops they used would have been better suited for a half gallon of juice.

heres the pics

Ask them to flush this out. Can they measure the runoff of the mix for EC and pH? They'll be ok. Flush that shit out.

 

[Headsmcgee1]

The upwards leaf curl looks like mag deficiency

 

[WeedKrazy420]

ok will have them flush asap. I guess it is my fault. just weird tho because whenever I used this stuff I always added 4 or 5 drops to the bottle and never had any upward curling or any nute burn of any kind... so I didn't think nothing when I seen to add nutes I said just use what I always used before and put 4 drops.. maybe this time the plants are being pickier... I will have them flush as its about time for another watering anyways. don't have any stuff to measure the ph tho...

 

[WeedKrazy420]

had them flush with tap water right after I seen your post. told them to run at least a gallon or more through them and then I will keep them posted on what to do next... is that enough water to flush them? told um to make sure alot of water runs out of the pot and all to be on the safe side...

 

[SumDumGuy]

ok will have them flush asap. I guess it is my fault. just weird tho because whenever I used this stuff I always added 4 or 5 drops to the bottle and never had any upward curling or any nute burn of any kind... so I didn't think nothing when I seen to add nutes I said just use what I always used before and put 4 drops.. maybe this time the plants are being pickier... I will have them flush as its about time for another watering anyways. don't have any stuff to measure the ph tho...

Hi WeedKrazy420,
Yeah man I wish it had been you but this isn't your fault at all.. I'm wondering what they used for the drops. I was thinking a baby dropper but I also have a larger dose dropper that drops the equivalent of 3 drops all together. All in all they're going to be ok but it ruined a perfect start you know. I think it's the stuff like this that really makes a grower. I see greener pastures ahead for them .

had them flush with tap water right after I seen your post. told them to run at least a gallon or more through them and then I will keep them posted on what to do next... is that enough water to flush them? told um to make sure alot of water runs out of the pot and all to be on the safe side...

Three times the volume of the pot so 3 gallons. So long as they get lots of runoff. Hey by the way I'm not one to talk bro. I had perfectly good Rez genes and completely murdered 2 of them while severely injuring the rest. I was just getting back into hydro with seedlings and I paid dearly. All in all I pulled through it but I feel like my plants are stronger for it .

 

[raphenilweed]

Is this similar to his problem?

Is this similar to his problem?

Transplanted on the 7th. Fed House+Garden 1-soil component at 20ml/15gal and Dutch Master Zone.

 

[WeedKrazy420]

Hi WeedKrazy420,
Yeah man I wish it had been you but this isn't your fault at all.. I'm wondering what they used for the drops. I was thinking a baby dropper but I also have a larger dose dropper that drops the equivalent of 3 drops all together. All in all they're going to be ok but it ruined a perfect start you know. I think it's the stuff like this that really makes a grower. I see greener pastures ahead for them .

Three times the volume of the pot so 3 gallons. So long as they get lots of runoff. Hey by the way I'm not one to talk bro. I had perfectly good Rez genes and completely murdered 2 of them while severely injuring the rest. I was just getting back into hydro with seedlings and I paid dearly. All in all I pulled through it but I feel like my plants are stronger for it .

I murdered some white rhinos once also but it was cause i gave them too much water when they were young. I don't think they used 3 gallons to flush these plants, prolly only 2 gallons if that but they look ok so far and haven't changed for the worse and have actually grown some more instead. next watering which will be in a day or so and I will have them use 2 more gallons to flush them better. I don't want them to overwater them or something as they just watered them the other day. as long as they can even just clone these plants to continue it and start again that will be ok. they actually look not too bad tho today. I take it just add 2 drops of nutes instead of 4 or 5 from now on. how often? also this dropper is built into the cap of the nutes bottle. its like a baby dropper.

 

[WeedKrazy420]

Transplanted on the 7th. Fed House+Garden 1-soil component at 20ml/15gal and Dutch Master Zone.

I am no expert thats why I posted in the 1st place but ya it kinda looks like that to me. just gets yellow but doesn't die right away. its not nute burn or over watering I seen both those also see a magnesium one that I had to add epsom salts. I think sumdumguy knows whats up.

 

[SumDumGuy]

I murdered some white rhinos once also but it was cause i gave them too much water when they were young. I don't think they used 3 gallons to flush these plants, prolly only 2 gallons if that but they look ok so far and haven't changed for the worse and have actually grown some more instead. next watering which will be in a day or so and I will have them use 2 more gallons to flush them better. I don't want them to overwater them or something as they just watered them the other day. as long as they can even just clone these plants to continue it and start again that will be ok. they actually look not too bad tho today. I take it just add 2 drops of nutes instead of 4 or 5 from now on. how often? also this dropper is built into the cap of the nutes bottle. its like a baby dropper.

Ah those White Rhinos are FANTASTIC lol . Oh man what murderous growers we are . Shit, it happens to all of us but some just hide their murderous deeds . Fwiw: they are going to be fine. So long as they are not turning for the worst they will thrive and forget this ever happened to them . But the pH will need to be on point. Ask them to get pH test strips if they do not have a meter cause a bad pH range will ruin the plant. This happens when the medium is acidic or has too much juice. I've noticed that plants with a hard start in life finish the biggest but you need to make sure their environment is on point. I LOVE torturing in veg but the bloom has to be peaceful!

A 2 gallon flush on the next feed will get them closer to a more stable pH and at 4 quarts to the gallon 2 drops will be a perfect amount for quarter strength. You always feed (One on / One off) One with nutes and the other without. The people that feed soil or potting mix all the time without a break in between MAKE SURE that the runoff pH is on point. The second water feed that most people use is what people rely on to equalize the pH so always feed till water is gushing from the bottom. So long as that pH is in range you will always be okay. Just for now make sure they feed one on and then one off and ALWAYS till you see the runoff really coming down.

The baby dropper is a GREAT thing. Tell them to NEVER make nutes by the bulk. Make them as need and finish when done.

I'm not sure what lights they use but if they are on Fluoros. Doesn't matter if it's 50KWatts of fluoros. Plants will always eat less. But on HIDS they will feed like live cattle and then you can play with increasing EC. I recently burned my plants at 250ppm on a .5 conversion and then 38 days later they are on 750PPM on a .5 conversion. But I have the tools to read them so in a sense I really am cheating but I can see when to raise and when to let off. Ask them to get some toys whenever possible. all in all they are gonna pull through on their first burn.

 

[WeedKrazy420]

thanks alot for all the help! no ph strips but will have them look into them. what should the ph be? they are starting to turn a lil light yellow like they did at 1st when I posted and so are the other 2 plants that were started 2 weeks later so as you said I will have them give them all a dose of nutes now that they been flushed out and only use the 2 drops. then have them give a good water and repeat the cycle liek you said and we will see how they go. these were under a 250 hps this whole time but have been moved to a 100 watt mh chamber instead today to see if that also helps seeing as mh is better for veg. then they will go flower with a 250 hps hopefully if there are any fems.