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whats with the name calling?
-buddin_904
whats with the name calling?
Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?
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I have heavily resisted comment in this thread but your posts followed by this one really highlights/confirms what the proponents have repeated ad nauseum. That is people shouldn't nay say, bitch, moan, or generally be a pain in the ass if they are not smart or caring enough to ACTUALLY READ and FOLLOW the method and practices that Keef took such care to elaborate.
Over days I repeatedly returned to and read this entire thread. Not because I was amped to jump in and try the method but because I thought just maybe I might learn something new from the experience of others. By actually reading and digesting the thread I was able to extract all the pertinent information that would help avoid inappropriate application of the technique should I actually want to try it myself. Yet over and over I read posts by irritating and frankly obstructive posters saying "no-no," "side-by-side," or "see-it-doesn't-work-for-me-so-it-must-not-work-at-all..."
One of the luxuries of reading months of posts in a few sittings is that one gets to actually SEE the general attitude and thought of the daily posters who for whatever reason dismiss their own ridiculously entrenched bias as they illogically try to defend it. If you read the posts of some people over the period of weeks it is pretty obvious when certain individuals are repeatedly acting like egotistical children who must be right even if wrong. But I digress.
The point is this technique has somewhat limited appeal/application and was very carefully laid out by Keef and others. They thoroughly elaborated the method AND the risks including what to do and NOT to do. However, if one's ego outweighs one's experience (which is most often the case in our hobby/professsion) and more importantly if one fails to actually READ the directions then failure should come as no surprise.
Bottom line, if ya can't be bothered to read and apply the lessons in this thorough instruction manual then chances are this technique requires more care and thought than you are willing to give.
Oh and TruthOrLie, I'm not trying to single you out or overly criticize you specifically. However, given your example of doing exactly what was discouraged (ie using scissors) and then vehemently declaring that the method is at fault for your probs.... Well, you simply didn't follow the directions. Frankly, recalling the entirety of your "contribution" to this thread that came as no surprise to me. This is where you and others should take a step back, put the ego and assumptions aside, and simply absorb ALL the information provided BEFORE trying to employ it. Unless one knows through experience that they have every variable dialed in on a consistent basis, this technique is probably not for them....
BTW, good luck and no hard feelings....
buddin_904
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Side by Side
6 weeks in to flower, same size pot, same strains, same soils
same grower, same room, same light, on the same tier, one in the corner one in the other end.
Mother, cut her up for clones, then shove her in to flower at there SAME time with her clones.... she is un touch after she went in the flowering room
Her young
this gal get pluck and pluck and pluck hahahah
sorry i cant take them out of the room to get more shots, you have to wait until they're done, by then ill get em out, trim and compare.... ill run this test a few more time with different strains as well...
cheers,
red.
6 weeks in to flower, same size pot, same strains, same soils
same grower, same room, same light, on the same tier, one in the corner one in the other end.
Mother, cut her up for clones, then shove her in to flower at there SAME time with her clones.... she is un touch after she went in the flowering room
Her young
this gal get pluck and pluck and pluck hahahah
sorry i cant take them out of the room to get more shots, you have to wait until they're done, by then ill get em out, trim and compare.... ill run this test a few more time with different strains as well...
cheers,
red.
Dudes. Dudettes. No one said this method doesn't work. What I said was maybe what makes this method work isn't completely understood. If you "defenders" of defoliating didn't take up 10 pages arguing back and forth the definition of what is defoliating, and instead took one sentence to contribute some useful advice, like Greyskull did, then maybe this thread would continue to get somewhere.
lol maybe you need to post up your work and pictures, other wise post like and above this one is just a freaking waste of spaces,,, dont ya agree??? hahahah
bs0
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You are far and away the biggest thread crapper that has come here. You ignore everything anyone says and have spent weeks talking about "grey mold" of which you are the only person here who has ever had an issue.
I still say, show me pictures of your grey mold or get the hell out of here and stop lying. That rack image I posted a few pages back finished, 24 z from a 600w. You have yet to post anything whatsoever of any value to anyone but your own fragile ego.
Maybe you should go back to the thread you were previously posting on, the one about using menstrual blood as fertilizer. That was more on your mental level.
Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique
Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique
First time i ran my thunderfuck (i miss her) i pruned/defoliated the SHIT out of... I went so aggressive as to pluck out a few fans that were sticking out of a few top colas.
Long story short a couple of buds got bud rot/grey mold. I am of the opinion some left over stem/petiole? Remained & rotted...
So i chopped the crop early, trashed the dirty colas, and vowed to go easy on the pruning/defoliating (like i was taught and did when my mentor was looking over my shoulders)... Didnt have any more grey mold/rot issues in that room after that.
Now i wont touch anything on the top colas thats sticking out of buds.
Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique
First time i ran my thunderfuck (i miss her) i pruned/defoliated the SHIT out of... I went so aggressive as to pluck out a few fans that were sticking out of a few top colas.
Long story short a couple of buds got bud rot/grey mold. I am of the opinion some left over stem/petiole? Remained & rotted...
So i chopped the crop early, trashed the dirty colas, and vowed to go easy on the pruning/defoliating (like i was taught and did when my mentor was looking over my shoulders)... Didnt have any more grey mold/rot issues in that room after that.
Now i wont touch anything on the top colas thats sticking out of buds.
so other than the big fan leaves that get far from the plant, you would not take any others? and of course definitely nothing from inside or directly near a cola?
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milehighmedical
Could you elaborate? I lolly pop either way, it seems ridiculous not to. The bottom of the plant is completely useless. But why did you specifically decide that defoliating was not worth it? Did your side-by-side yield less? Or only the same? Or was there another factor that made it not worth using the technique? Just curious.
I have one room where I've been forced to defoliate heavier than ever before because of a mysterious fungus. I pluck any effected leaves before my regular fungicidal treatment. Leaves them pretty bare... but I figure it's still worth flowering out. I still haven't plucked anything as bare as some of the pictures on here, but I might get to that point if I can't get this in check. Sadly the fungus itself would play a major role in a lower yield, so it's not a valid attempt at defoliating for my own personal research. And it's definitely useless data for anyone on here (super critical folks...)
i still find it odd that, of all the people who are convinced by this method, no-one has posted up their defol and no defol gpw yields (except the OP ) or shown a proper side by side. how do you know it works if you arent comparing the results?
i can see that cutting leaves would stunt the plant in veg and that would make it smaller - but i would prefer to use training to limit height - as a low stress method.
VG
i can see that cutting leaves would stunt the plant in veg and that would make it smaller - but i would prefer to use training to limit height - as a low stress method.
VG
bet some of you would love to get your scissors on my canopy. 
I understand the gray mold part, but ever since i started the defoliation or plucking whatever you want to call it, i never saw any gray mold in my grow rooms and i dont just have one grow room, i can show you 6 differents rooms and plants that got defol and none of them have gray mold,
maybe one or 2 get shocked from the practices,,,, if you really have grey mold you need to check your skills and enviroment !
sorry for my sloppy english
cheers,
red.
p.s if a newbie like me can get this right, i am sure the one thats fucking up are the one that did not read the whole thing and jump in
ever heard of learn how to walk before you learn how to run ???
maybe one or 2 get shocked from the practices,,,, if you really have grey mold you need to check your skills and enviroment !
sorry for my sloppy english
cheers,
red.
p.s if a newbie like me can get this right, i am sure the one thats fucking up are the one that did not read the whole thing and jump in
ever heard of learn how to walk before you learn how to run ???
I'm going to post pics and #s I did a side by side 2 tables on one side 2 on the other I think it's strain dependent if it works I'm letting them all go an extra 2 weeks hopping the defol side fattens up
Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique
Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique
Now i leave the few fans on the tops - i wont touch those. Especially when im in flower...
If there is not stem/petiole clearly and easily accessible ill leave it alone.
When im pruning/defoliating in flower the technique i like to do is separate/remove the leaf from the stem/petiole (or whatever you call it) using my fingernails to do the crushing/cutting, and leave the stem/petiole be - its shrivels up and dries in a few days and then pretty much falls off on it own
Other than that i leave the leaves on the bud alone until its time to chop/trim the crop
When the plants start 'taking off' in veg is when i start removing leaves, superdropping/pinching/stalling, fimming... But i limit the leaf removal to only a few every couple days/as needed to reduce stress. Its so easy to go crazy removing leaf. Too easy...
Edit: something i noticed is that by pruning/defoliating in veg i dont have to work as hard in flower getting rid of ill placed fans... Stripping whole crops at days x & y can be a little labor intensive. Anyways....
Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique
Now i leave the few fans on the tops - i wont touch those. Especially when im in flower...
If there is not stem/petiole clearly and easily accessible ill leave it alone.
When im pruning/defoliating in flower the technique i like to do is separate/remove the leaf from the stem/petiole (or whatever you call it) using my fingernails to do the crushing/cutting, and leave the stem/petiole be - its shrivels up and dries in a few days and then pretty much falls off on it own
Other than that i leave the leaves on the bud alone until its time to chop/trim the crop
When the plants start 'taking off' in veg is when i start removing leaves, superdropping/pinching/stalling, fimming... But i limit the leaf removal to only a few every couple days/as needed to reduce stress. Its so easy to go crazy removing leaf. Too easy...
Edit: something i noticed is that by pruning/defoliating in veg i dont have to work as hard in flower getting rid of ill placed fans... Stripping whole crops at days x & y can be a little labor intensive. Anyways....
so, less is more eh... great guide, seems to fall in with what's making sense, my defol on my round2 didn't go so well on a few, but I may have had issues persisting from my first round.
I'm vegging round 3 up biggish (larger girls, smaller count ☺), so will be doing this shortly.
I'm vegging round 3 up biggish (larger girls, smaller count ☺), so will be doing this shortly.
that'll be interesting. how are you seeing it so far? is the defol side slower?
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