Some strains not easy to clone?

[Nicoli]

Well I have been taking clones of all kinds of plants for a while now, and I have never had a problem, until I ran into Casey Jones. For some reason the cuttings are super wilty/droopy/sad the first 10 days until they get roots. The Sour Creek x Casey Jones ive been running for a while now is always perky and happy even while its waiting to establish roots.

I guess my question is, is this a genetic thing? I don't see how it could be an environmental issue, all of my other clones are wonderful. It is only the pure Casey Jones, and it's happened repeatedly, each time I take a cut, they wilt and look basically like they are dried out to the brink of death, until they establish roots, then they perk right up. It is very weird. I haven't lost one yet, but its just worrying.

Is there any reason why this particular strain "appears" to be sad while its establishing roots? Are some strains just easier to clone than others?

Shrug, im stoned, just thought I would ask.

 

[guambomb813]

Could be many factors but I do know that there is one main factor that effects cuttings, this is the starch level in the cutting you take. Many factors can be brought into the light in terms of choosing cuttings with higher carb levels, or this strain in particular is not producing enough starches. Maybe a little info can help you narrow your search down.

-Cuttings that are strongest to produce roots and prosper during this hormone change have a much higher level of carbohydrates (starch) and ones that have less are those which take longer to root or suffer during the process. There is a test you can do to determine the cuttings with the strongest levels of carbs called the iodine starch test. you mix up a solution of iodine in potassium iodide and you dip the ends of the freshly cut cuttings into it. The darker the stain the richer it is in starches or carbohydrates, you can just rinse the iodine solution right off with tap water with now a better selection. You could simply be choosing the weaker cuttings that lack starch levels. A good way to tell by looking and feeling for the branch with healthy green, fresh, but real firm feel(almost hard but not like the wooden dry hard you see the stalk and certain branches get, this is actually the immune system creating a safer environment for the sensitive cell walls).

- If your growing multiple strains giving them all the same nutrient levels this could cause certain plants to photosynthesize more(creating more carbs), while the others needing a higher level of nutrients to be lacking carb levels throughout the entire plant.

3) Another thing you must watch out for is how much time you waste after taking your cuttings. The plants have whats called the phloem, this is the channel that fluid flows throughout the plant (the center). Just like us humans plants can also get whats called an embolism if the plant is allowed to be exposed to air for too long. Embolism is an air bubble that has gotten in the plants phloem. This can cause health issues that you describe due to lack of nutrient/hormone transport. A good habit is to quickly after your take your cutting dip in hormone solution and plant or if you plan to take multiple cuttings at once to save time it's best to soak the cut end of the cutting in a liquid solution (h20 is fine).

-Environmental conditions can cause issues to rise in one strain and not in another due to the genes and how robust and vigorous that gene might be compared to the other.
Your root zone temperature and environment is a key factor here. With too low of temperature or too high, not enough o2, or especially light on the root system make the plant work harder to change hormones to begin making root system.

While the auxin's within the plant are working among the other hormones to begin creating the root system, the majority of the nutrients throughout that cutting are cycled down the phloem as needed for the proccess to occur, so the many factors can cause wilting and other illnesses to occur to the plant, for the root system to be formed.

Hope any of this could help you or anybody else who might be reading.

-.- Good luck

 

[Rowdy420]

My OG is definetly on the stubborn side. Guess that's the price you pay for a great strain in the end.

 

[Nicoli]

Cool info guambomb813, thanks.

 

[headband 707]

Yes , Yes and YES lol damn YES lol ... I have also run into this with hybrids clone only pk strains want everything just right or forget it lol.. There are times you take it off the mom and it's just the wrong time of the month IMVHO/moon cycles can have an effect according to some .A clone is only as good or healthy as the mom that it is taken from. peace out Headband707

PS one of my tricks is a heating mat lol get an temp adjust heating mat and you should be golden

 

[Nicoli]

Glad im not the only one

 

[stoney917]

whats up like was said above many factors come intoplay but u are 100%right some strains are just a bitch to root my 98 bubba can take newher from 14+days. while i norm get roots newhere from day5 on with most in my aero or bubble setup a few more days if i use a tray. never had caseyjones but will be gettin the schmoe cut soon. guess ill be making a new cloner for bubba and cj.

 

[redspaghetti]

hi Nic,

I ran in to this problem as well, i dont have much problems with clones before no matter in what type of medium, the day i got alien dawg, she is one strong bitch but she wont root at all,,,, i gave her a month for her to bounce back up and this time i take strong big cut from the top, half of them survive, now i get most of them to live but not always 100 % so yeah some strains are hard to clone,

i had casey once and she was hard to clone as well, i think you need the dome right after you cut and plant her in,,,

hope this help,,
cheer,
red.

 

[Nicoli]

hi Nic,

I ran in to this problem as well, i dont have much problems with clones before no matter in what type of medium, the day i got alien dawg, she is one strong bitch but she wont root at all,,,, i gave her a month for her to bounce back up and this time i take strong big cut from the top, half of them survive, now i get most of them to live but not always 100 % so yeah some strains are hard to clone,

i had casey once and she was hard to clone as well, i think you need the dome right after you cut and plant her in,,,

hope this help,,
cheer,
red.

thx red!

 

[dontstepongrass]

i had to drop abusive og cuz no matter how good the yield/stone is.... 30 days to root sucks balls lmao

 

[Nicoli]

i had to drop abusive og cuz no matter how good the yield/stone is.... 30 days to root sucks balls lmao

thats exactly how my casey jones is. almost 30 days today on this cut and its finally taking off, all my others would be ready to xplant by now.

weirdness.

 

[*Lola*]

Wouldn't this idea work for you?

Take some rooting gel and paint onto the branch you plan on cutting for a clone.

Do this where you want the roots to develop obviously.

Once you see root buds develop while the clone is still attached, it will root easier when u cut it

hope this idea helps with those difficult clones.

 

[Nicoli]

Wouldn't this idea work for you?

Take some rooting gel and paint onto the branch you plan on cutting for a clone.

Do this where you want the roots to develop obviously.

Once you see root buds develop while the clone is still attached, it will root easier when u cut it

hope this idea helps with those difficult clones.

i dont use rooting gels/agents :/ i use good ole regular h2o.

I am a simple man!

 

[*Lola*]

i dont use rooting gels/agents :/ i use good ole regular h2o.

I am a simple man!

oh my, i must be more specific to make u understand i think.

OK YOU have a mother plant that is hard to clone.

Take her and paint her branches with rooting gel.

Do this where you will be cutting clones eventually.

Paint the gel on the stem of the plant BEFORE you cut it off!

Leave it alone!

in 7-10 days the stem of the branch that you painted will develop little root nubs on the outside of the stem/branch.

This is what you have been waiting for. Now it is time to cut your clone.

Cut it and paint it again with rooting gel and stick in rooting medium.

Rooting Gel when applied to a live branch will affect the hormones in the branch causing it to develop little white bumps all over the outisde of the stem. These are your future roots.

Once these root bumps are put in a moist environment, BAM they develop into roots in 1-2 days, and thus you have a clone that only takes the usual 7 days to root and it is not gonna wilt.

problem solved Steve..

 

[Nicoli]

yeah the problem is i dont use rooting gel.

i understand perfectly.

i dont want to go through all of that trouble. i want it to clone like all my other clones. lol.

 

[hempluvr]

When I don't have room under the humidome I leave the plant in a cup of water,constantly refilling the water as needed and eventually the clone starts to grow roots. It gives the clones a jump start and helps me with those strains that are hard to clone

 

[headband 707]

Actually just before you put it in the gel let them sit in water for 5 min ..Always cut with a clean blade and cut excess off then dip into gel or powered whatever you like then place firmly into medium and make sure there is contact with mediums walls and close.. peace out Headband707

 

[stoney917]

just askin ya ... why dont ya use a gel or powder or some other product like olivas liquid to soak in? i seen ur grows and u obiously know what ur doin. killin it under cfls. why do u avoid rooting hormes? i would love to hear ur opinion. i did both plain h20 works great but some strains may need some help imo. just a thaught if ya dont want to use a hormone cuz its not organic would ya consider using a b vitamin that is organic. like b52(what i use) but there are others out there to to keep ya organic aswell..thrive alive green it may help. but all in all it comes down to u and the ? of can i live without this strain? if ya can let it go . i know myself if my 98bubba took a month to root 2months 3 months. i would still keep her. shes a 14-20 dayer though. anyway best of luck brotha

 

[smokefrogg]

i know you don't use rooting gel

but, i wonder if your success rate would increase if you gave it a try?

 

[Nicoli]

smokefrogg, i doubt it has anything to do with it, i get 100% on every other strain. i still get 100% on casey jones, it just takes FOREVER. as my original post states, its a very unhappy strain when its cloned.

rooting gel is not required to root cannabis cuttings, never has been, never used it, never will. i get 100% thick insane roots in 10 days from every other strain except from casey jones. it's clearly a genetic issue.

oh wells.