My father wants me to become a Mason

[headband 707]

You mean the New world order.. lol...soft kill..

 

[Desiderata]

Either your like them, or you're like most of us here. I know what the meaning of "complete opposites" is. My dad was a mason and his father was a 33rd, a Congressman, which I found out in my early thirties, when all the grandparents started to pass. Of course dad was Naval Intelligence, so I was the 'enemy' my whole life.

Yep, and tons of it rolled off the shrimp boats.........the rest is history and here we are!

Respect to all the IC MAG people!

 

[Happy 7]

You mean the New world order.. lol...soft kill..

Or maybe the old world order?
American masons don't allow African-Americans among their ranks.
British masons don't allow atheists among their ranks.

Looks pretty much like back to the middle ages to me...

 

[zenoonez]

I have known black masons... Hell I grew up in the deep south and there were two different lodges in the city so that the blacks could have theirs and the old white fellas could have theirs.

 

[Happy 7]

Sure, they don't like to mix...
Women get their own lodges too.
What's the reason for this separation?

 

[AbbieDoobie]

White Lodge, Black Lodge... reminds me of this:

Through the darkness of future past
The magician longs to see
One chants out between two worlds
Fire... Walk... With Me!

 

[zenoonez]

Sure, they don't like to mix...
Women get their own lodges too.

I don't know if its that way all over, I just know thats how it was when I was kid. As to the women, they can't be masons, they have a different social group, I can't remember what its called. Had a friend whose father was a mason, head of the local lodge what have ya, old navy man, very cool guy. He talked to me about becoming a mason when I was in college, he died shortly after. Rip.

 

[Happy 7]

http://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/

has probably some current info.
I admit mine is from books 2 decades old.

 

[Weird]

What is True Masonic Brotherhood?

...As the light becomes brighter, the Holy Scriptures will begin to come alive to you...their pages filled with the very real people who were our ancestors.

Jerusalem will cease to be just an ancient city on a map in the Middle East filled with centuries of war and unrest.

You will come to understand that Abraham (Father of all the Nations in the world) begat 2 sons: Isaac (ancestor to the Christian and Judaic nations) and Ishmael (ancestor to the Arab nations).

With this knowledge, your comprehension of our Creator's true meaning of "brotherhood" across the nations of the world, will unfold.

i have to say that I find this intreguing because when I was younger and read the bible this was the epiphany (that all monotheistic religions worshiped the same God making us all conceptually his children equally) I had when i read this

and to this day I have a belief about God however you define him that is similar and I possessed before i even understood the concept of mason

and that is it seems to me that many of the races and creeds is called to god in THEIR ON IMAGE yet regardless of the differences there are congruency among us all, and the congruency is the lowest common denominator among these concepts

almost as if our need to conceptualize god was all alike regardless of the differential

and you know if we choose to celebrate the common good in each other the differences become less critical and we can work in synergistic harmony

it seems we can find a universal platform for faith in the fundamental goodness that is inherent in the spirit of mankind, and the energy it brings to the world, it seems is an interest to them

i dont know enough about masons to determine where the boundaries of this thinking begins or ends

 

[headband 707]

Or maybe the old world order?
American masons don't allow African-Americans among their ranks.
British masons don't allow atheists among their ranks.

Looks pretty much like back to the middle ages to me...

Yeah this much I also know ,,,,no blacks /no women hence the exclusion.. So yeah, I'm not down with this one.. peace out Headband707

 

[Happy 7]

You will come to understand that Abraham (Father of all the Nations in the world) begat 2 sons: Isaac (ancestor to the Christian and Judaic nations) and Ishmael (ancestor to the Arab nations).

Not all nations of the world are either Christian, Judaic or Arab.
There's some flaw in logic there...
Most of the nations that fit this criteria today were forced or bribed to adopt these believes; the Americas by the conquistadores, Europe and North Africa by the late Roman Empire, the crusades and so on. They did not inherit a common believe because they had common ancestors.

But let's not nit pick.

The masons I've met were all nice enough people and even though I disagree with their dogma, I'm ok with them doing their thing as long as they don't interfere with me doing mine.

Btw. what's the mason's stance on marijuana?

 

[arcticsun]

Their 'devices' are everywhere from churches to telephone boxes,, from the cafés of centrum to the Hague. The measurements, crafts and guilds of which play a major influence in the construction of society and our perceptions of it. Where in essence they are attempting to construct Plato's Cave as an allegorical prison for us all to dwell in.

Only those with wings can escape this process..

peace

There are no shadows on the tundra tho, which is why im destined to be a tundra dweller until the next revolution

 

[cocktail frank]

when i saw the thread title, i thought you were gonna lay bricks.
don't be like all the eye-talians i kno from jersey.
all swear they're mob and loud about it.
but they're not, cuz if they were, they wouldn't talk about it.
see where i'm going wit this one?

 

[mr. b]

only one way to find out, go as a guest of your fathers when the time comes you will not be privy to all lodge happenings until you become a member, you will find people in your community are members that you never thought of, (connects) from bankers to politicians and judges and leo himself will even be there, just remember one thing what goes on behind closed doors stays behind closed doors, never discuss any lodge business with members not of the lodge, you will find doors opening you never thought possible.

 

[B. Friendly]

Yeah this much I also know ,,,,no blacks /no women hence the exclusion.. So yeah, I'm not down with this one.. peace out Headband707

that's bull shit, there are masoniac temples in Africa, much of the information has been passed through every race, religion and creed. From the middle east to asia and everything around and between is where the manuscripts come from.

Way off base pal

 

[Weird]

Not all nations of the world are either Christian, Judaic or Arab.
There's some flaw in logic there...

Most of the nations that fit this criteria today were forced or bribed to adopt these believes; the Americas by the conquistadores, Europe and North Africa by the late Roman Empire, the crusades and so on. They did not inherit a common believe because they had common ancestors.

But let's not nit pick.

The masons I've met were all nice enough people and even though I disagree with their dogma, I'm ok with them doing their thing as long as they don't interfere with me doing mine.

Btw. what's the mason's stance on marijuana?

i stated monotheistic which means one god, most all other religions if not all do not have 1 god but gods, but the real point was made after, not to contend or qualify the existence of the supernatural because its beyond the scope of this message or the necessity to understand the point I am trying to illustrate

its to say that there is a common trait among most (another term i used most not all) human tribes ethnics or races and thats their common ancestry believed in deities and pantheons of their own liking, that is humans from their ethnicity or race

further most of the base mores and values of these beliefs are congruent and the place and time where those rules fall by the waste side is when the person opposing them is not of the same image

couple with the contention made by some religions and philosophies that the real spirit of things is unseen, like the cause and effect behind our karmic energies, it would seem the big "curse" upon mankind is the ego

most peoples individual concept of god has their individual races face on it because deep inside we can't deal with the fact that our significance is greatest when we are part of the whole, not just the sum of its parts, that our race is the apex of being on the planet but as individuals we are not the apex of our race

there is too much developmental sociometry between the races, ethnicities and peoples for their to be a differential in the influence that brings us to want to seek and conceptualize what lay beneath our conscience, beyond our perception, intangible to our 5 senses

our intuition, based on the cause and effect of of elements that effect the unseen causes us to seek these answers and has this not been the history of our evolving body of knowledge

perpetually discovering the cause and effect of things not readily understood because intuition and or observation of the latest generation

the fact that there are so many common traits among emerging cultures of such diversity is, for me at least, cause and effect that might lead one to further conclusions

 

[headband 707]

And the question is LOL LOL LOL...

 

[Happy 7]

that's bull shit, there are masoniac temples in Africa, much of the information has been passed through every race, religion and creed. From the middle east to asia and everything around and between is where the manuscripts come from.

Way off base pal

You took that out of context which was American masons not African masons.

All men are brothers... as long as they're white...

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Hall

The Masonic fraternity was extremely attractive to free blacks of the eighteenth century. Prince Hall and his followers saw Freemasonry as a platform where racial differences did not exist.[8] The Masonic ideals greatly appealed to Hall, especially the beliefs in liberty, equality and peace. Prior to the American Revolutionary War, Prince Hall and fourteen other free black men petitioned for the admittance to the white Boston St. John’s Lodge. They were turned away. Some whites were irate of the audacity for blacks applying to be Masons. Due to the resistance of colonial Masonries, Hall looked elsewhere and on March 6, 1775, Hall and fifteen other free blacks were initiated into the Masonry by members of the Irish Military Lodge No. 441. The Lodge was attached to the British forces stationed in Boston. Hall and the other freedmen founded African Lodge No. 1 with Prince Hall named as Grand Master.

A problem quickly arose for black men wishing to become Masons in the newly formed United States: the members of a Lodge must agree unanimously in an anonymous vote to accept a petitioner to receive the degrees. As a consequence of the unanimity requirement, if just one member of a lodge did not want black men in his Lodge, his vote was enough to cause the petitioner's rejection. This sentiment can be seen in the letter of General Albert Pike to his brother in 1875 where he says, “ I am not inclined to mettle in the matter. I took my obligations to white men, not to Negroes. When I have to accept Negroes as brothers or leave Masonry, I shall leave it.”[9] Thus, although exceptions did exist, Masonic Lodges and Grand Lodges in the United States generally excluded African Americans. And since the vote is conducted anonymously, this created a second problem: since no one knew who had voted against the applicant, it was impossible to identify a member as pursuing a policy of racism. This allowed even a tiny number of prejudiced members to effectively deny membership to black petitioners, and in some cases even exclude black men who had legitimately been made Masons in integrated jurisdictions. Thus there arose a system of racial segregation in American Masonry, which remained in place until the 1960s and which persists in some jurisdictions even to this day.

 

[Weird]

And the question is LOL LOL LOL...

I am surmising it states the question about the depth of your spiritual beliefs
the question i am surmising is that they a :riddle: in the bible proposed

that is god separated two brothers and led the to the same commandments, and this somehow as they see it leads to a algebraic like assumption

i see it as a test of integrity of sorts

each one has the same basic moral precepts, each one has "gods" blessing, yet each is a different religion

if the proponents of each religion listen to the most important commandments the two would coexist, yet in the name of their own religions they cause strife among each other

this irony that effects so many is really, imho, a reflection of the lack of integrity or perhaps the delusion in which others live, a projection of ego perhaps (lol i sometimes think the ego is cursed)

now the masons :MIGHT: i have no real idea, want to know if you have the spiritual integrity to do as god wills not your own, are you a man of moral fiber

they may also use it as a test to see if you will be able to be loyal to the sovereignty of fraternity without the duality of inappropriately (from their perspective) aligned religious dogma

 

[B. Friendly]

You took that out of context which was American masons not African masons.

All men are brothers... as long as they're white...

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Hall

I am guaranteeing that many if not most masons voted Democrated therefore they voted for a BLACK President.