Things were going good until...

[raphenilweed]

... a day or 2 before it felt like they needed water these plants just dropped. A few plants don't sag like the rest and those that arent are a different strain. The soil felt moist with my finger about 2-3 inches down and the soil moisture meter was just under half. Gave it water but still no improvement. I suggested spraying them with water to water the leaves. Our ideas point to the feeding schedule, 3 weeks in and this emergency water was the first time they got straight water. The idea is that the roots are just heavily clogged. I also suggested a prozyme/hygrozyme to eat away any clogs but my friend kept saying he didn't know anything about it so he didn't want to use it.

Strains: Bluedream, Pot-of-Gold, Snowwhite
Feeding schedule: Not my plants, but something like feed 1. EJB Bonemeal, Molasses, feed 2 Bonemeal Molasses feed 3 .... something like that. Ya over fed right?
Nutrients used: Earth Juice Bloom, Down-to-Earth Bonemeal, Budswell.

Will they make it or is the whole crop a loss?

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

over watered?

 

[Lazyman]

Probably under watered, how much do the pots weigh? If they aren't heavy its underwatered, underwatering increases nute uptake further, as theres not enough water to dilute the salts in the soil, so it gets stronger and stronger. Hard to overwater plants that size anyway, I would basically drown them (flush the medium with 2 gallons of water per gallon of medium) and go from there.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

i thought he said that it happened after he watered... which would be over watered... possible underwatering killing roots and over water later??? theres way to kill plants no matter what size -=]

 

[raphenilweed]

When the problem happened the soil was some what moist. The pots were not completely light when picked up. They felt like they still had moisture in the bottom of the pot. It was then decided to water to flush anything that may be backing up the system.

 

[B. Friendly]

ok how long where the pots wet for. my max is for 5 days and I think that is 2 days to long for soil. So how often are you watering? and have you been letting em dry out some what before re watering??????

other wise pull a couple out of their pots to see what the roots look like, white is good yellowing is bad. LOOK for slime on your roots and in general a bad smell.


Check your PH as well maybe they have been soaked in highly acidic water
so let us know????????

 

[raphenilweed]

I wish there was such thing as reading comprehension.

To make this simple.
(Day 1) The day before they went saggy it was decided they didn't need water for a day or 2. Soil meter read something around the middle, about moist. The plants were fine this day when it was decided to wait a day or 2 to water.
(Day 2) The next day the plants were droopy. The plants were all saggy, dead looking like they needed water, exactly like the pictures. A finger test showed that the soil still had moisture in it, and the pots when picked up were light but not the "OMG this is so light there is no water in it" feel. it had been around 5 days since the last feed. It was then decided to water them with plain water since none had not received just plain water since before 12/12.
(Day 3) The next day the plants still were all droopy and thats when I thought to take the pictures and post. So the pictures are from the day after they got water.

I can't check the roots without ripping the plant from the roots. I tried a few different pots. Yes I know, squeeze and loosen the soil tilt, pull plant gently and push from the bottom of the pot. If I had another pair of arms and hands it would be no problem.

 

[CFL_Grow]

Look thirsty.. How big are the pots ? Might have to water almost everyday, they look large.

What kind of temps ? Humidity ?

 

[!!!]

If a plant needs water and looks like your 3rd pic, then watering it will bring it back to life in as fast as 5-10 minutes.

It looks like the plant doesn't have water (3rd pic.) I'm not saying it's underwatered, but the roots have trouble taking up water. Possibly pythium? I had this issue with a big plant when I used a 2" layer of vermiculite (holds a lot of water) on the bottom of my pots. Roots just rotted away.

Do you let the pots get near dry before watering? If so, rot shouldn't be an issue. To check the roots, perhaps you can take off a piece of the soil (like a chunk from the side of the pot) instead of uprooting the entire plant. Ripping off some roots doesn't kill the plant (see root pruning for instance.)

Do the leaves feel dry/brittle?

The first 2 pics are showing some other symptoms. The clawing possibly from an N overdose is prominent in the 2nd pic, especially on the smaller leaves on top of the plant.

You've flushed, did it help? Try laying off a lot of the additives for now.

 

[B. Friendly]

If a plant needs water and looks like your 3rd pic, then watering it will bring it back to life in as fast as 5-10 minutes.

The first 2 pics are showing some other symptoms. The clawing possibly from an N overdose is prominent in the 2nd pic, especially on the smaller leaves on top of the plant.

You've flushed, did it help? Try laying off a lot of the additives for now.

yup I agree, first pic looks like over fertilization

What is your PH???? This will tell us alot? what is the PH of your reservior and what is the PH of your run off water from pots????

 

[raphenilweed]

It has been 24 hours since the flush and the plants still look the same. The Bluedream is the most heavily effected by the droopy leaves. PoT of Gold is not as droopy but has more what looks like nute burn style leaves. The snowwhite looks more nute burn and has very little droopy leaves.

I can't tell you the pH of the last feeding but I was told it was adjusted. I don't know the runoff either.

The leaves don't feel brittle but feel like they are lacking leaf pressure, spongy feeling. I am getting a feeling from the plants, like that feeling when your sink is clogged and you are like "damn knew I shouldn't have thrown 'that' down there.

Say the plants are clogged with nutes and maybe got burned from a pH issue. Would a foliar feeding of just plain water allow the plant to uptake water and help flush the system out?

 

[B. Friendly]

It Say the plants are clogged with nutes and maybe got burned from a pH issue. Would a foliar feeding of just plain water allow the plant to uptake water and help flush the system out?

you can't fix a ph problem if you don't know the in and run off ph's.
For example if you knew your run off was ph 7, then what'd you do is use ph down solution on your tap/reservoir at about ph 5 a couple times until your run off ph was around ph 6.
I like my ph at ph 5.8 - 6 research says this is ideal
http://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-Ins...1?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1289012448&sr=1-1
$30 bucks plus ph up and down solution and your in business

PH is extremely important, I cannot stress this enough

 

[DiiZZii3]

remember man the problems of not enough water and to much water look identical

 

[ibjamming]

Is there a chance that the nutes got mixed wrong and they got a 2X or 3X dose? Too strong a nute solution CAN pull the water out of a plant...an osmotic process...causing wilting.

I'd flush it with a weak nute solution...

 

[raphenilweed]

The pH of the nutrients was 8.5-9. Natural Down was used to get it to 5. Plants were watered with the nutes with the said pH.
3-5 days past.Things were looking good and checked on. It was decided to water in 2 days.
The next day (a day before 2 days) the plants were drooping and looking like the pictures. They were watered with straight water.
Still droopy. Pictures taken..
The soil pH is 7.5-8

They are now being heavily flushed with water/pineapple juice (a natural final flush). The Water is 7.5 pH and the runoff is about the same.

 

[Frozenguy]

The pH of the nutrients was 8.5-9. Natural Down was used to get it to 5. Plants were watered with the nutes with the said pH.
3-5 days past.Things were looking good and checked on. It was decided to water in 2 days.
The next day (a day before 2 days) the plants were drooping and looking like the pictures. They were watered with straight water.
Still droopy. Pictures taken..
The soil pH is 7.5-8

They are now being heavily flushed with water/pineapple juice (a natural final flush). The Water is 7.5 pH and the runoff is about the same.

What are you using to test pH? When you water with 7.5pH solution, the run off is 7.5?!

And you watered one time with a pH of 5?!

You need to adjust your soil pH to about 6.7. Use water in the mid low 6.0 range. Possibly transplant into new medium with enough dolomite lime.

Soil pH of 7.5-8.0 is not too good.