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heady blunts

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hey all,

so this is my first grow. first cab build. first attempt at this kind of orientation as far as my research has shown.

i live in a small apartment. there is no extra bedroom, bathroom, large closet, or even floor space. the only available real estate was a 23.5" x 138" x 22.5" (HxWxD). basically i had the head room of a PC micro grow, with double the depth, and 11 and a half feet of width. I thought about going with t5's or CFL's and doing a sog type grow, but my top priority is quality. HPS seems to be the most idiot-proof way of achieving that.

I figured with a single light point i didn't really need all that space, so i could section off about 3 feet for a mother/veg cab. i also realized that if i put the light in the middle of the flowering cab, i could grow on either side of it and double my production. here is an early sketch up of my design.



the first thing i realized is that i'd have to turn the light vertically because i couldn't fit the cool tube and ducting in the horizontal orientation (19" cool tube plus 6" ducting in a 22.5" space). my next idea was to run the ducting out of the ceiling, through the (shared) attic space, and out the roof, thus eliminating the need for a carbon filter. the cable is routed through the attic, so i started to feel nervous about the possibility of my landlord or some utility guy having to get up there and spotting a ventilation system coming out of the vicinity of my bedroom closet. new plan- vent out the bottom, scrub the exhaust, keep it all in the closet.

*i am prop 215 and sb420 compliant, but i didn't get my landlord's approval to "modify" our closet with a 6" hole and 8 x 1.5" holes, so that's where the need for stealthiness comes in.*

anyway, caulked every corner and crack. slapped a fresh coat of flat white on the whole thing. installed a partition between the veg and flower sections.

the partition wall is 1/4 ply. i cut an 8"x4" rectangle and fabricated one of scrubninja's (nearly) light proof louvers. caulked it all in place. i now realize that it's not light proof enough, and i'll be adding a baffle to 100% light proof it.









i drilled four 1.5" passive intake holes along the bottom edge opposite from the louver. lighting is 1 x 23w 6500K t5 strip and 2 x 15w crappy office t5 strip lights. i think the warmer 15w t5's help widen my spectrum, which i'm fine with, but i'd like to throw another of the grow tube 6500K's in there just to maximize the space. here's a shot with my babies in there.



next i built my cadillac carbon filter (i call it a caddy cause it's beefy and purrs real smooth) based on my memory of RM's pro style filter. mine is a bit more streamlined imo with the mesh being the most exterior part (no batting zip tied to the outside) and an easily removable end cap for quick and painless refills. attached it to my 8" in-line can fan, another reducer, and an adjustable 90 deg elbow. here it is installed, raised on three leftover plugs from my intake holes. i'll get a shot today of the inside of the cab, but it's really clean, and my cool tube just drops right into it.





today i give the hps a test run. i still need to build the baffle for the partition, and build my modular screens for the vertical scrog aspect of the grow. i'll update this post with a shot of the whole thing opened up so you all can get a better idea of it, plus shots of the screens and baffle once those are built. i'll probably also throw some pvc P-traps or something in the intake holes to cut down on the space ship lighting effect our clothes closet now has:



if you don't think this is gonna work, that's cool, but i'd rather hear some constructive suggestions if anyone's got some. i'm under a pretty serious budget.

i got a 400w lumatek dimmable digital ballast and an eye hortilux 400w hps that will go in the cool tube in the flowering cab. i know it's overkill but i expect to upgrade to a larger space in the next few years and figured it'd be a good investment. i still haven't decided whether to do this grow under the full 400w or maybe turn it down to 250. any opinions?

thanks for checkin in!
 

heady blunts

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update:

did a ten minute test run of the light today. everything functioning smoothly!


i never thought i'd see the day where that lovely orange glow was coming out of my own cab.

here's a in-cab shot of the exhaust hole. you can see the cool tube will fit directly into the 6" elbow duct.

 
Absolutely awesome cab/scrubber build man, rep! If you take care of your babies the way you thought out your build I think you are gonna do outstanding! Best of luck on the meds bud! :D
 

ImaginaryFriend

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Super clean heady...

Clearly it is well thought out, and I look forward to you filling it up.

Creative solution to a challenging set of dimensions. Nice work.
 

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Pretty cool what you are doing with that space I hope it works out will for you and lookin forward to some pics when you get some plants in there!
 

OrgAeroMan

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You could run multiple vertical 150w hps one for every eighteen inches square and orient the plants around them. I ran a single 150 with 5 around it in an 18"x18"x24" cab. just expand they can be cooled with pc fans.
 

heady blunts

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thanks everyone!

orgaeroman- that's a pretty good idea, but i was trying to keep costs down, and of course lighting is the biggest expense. i'll keep that in mind for the future, though. originally my plan was to run an organic aero sog under LED, but that was waayyyy over my budget. based on your user name, it sounds like you've got an organic aero set up. i'd love to hear about it. have you started a thread?
 

heady blunts

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here's a pic of my baffle.



i found this "panda" foam board. black on one side, white on the other. i was thinking of building a wooden baffle, but honestly, i just wanted to be able to get it all done with a utility knife and some hot glue. it's about 18" long, 8" wide, and i cut two 2"x3" holes out on the bottom end of the side edges. it's very light proof and free flowing.

to make it really easy, i only scored through half the depth of the foam on all the folded corners (on the white [out] side). hot glued it together, then hot glued it to the partition. i know it seems crappy but it's solid and it works. i finished it up with some caulk along the seams to make sure it was fully light proof.

you can also see i added foil tape over the caulked edges of the partition. i could see a faint glow on thinner areas of caulk, and i wanted to be triple-sure no light was going to get through.

i'll install my passive intake light traps (i'm using 1.5" PVC "p-traps" which is a kit of bends sold for under the sink plumbing. at home depot it costs $2.50 for one set, which includes a 180 deg bend piece, and a 90 deg bend, that slip into one another, and have an open screw down end piece i'll use to secure some screen over the intake. pictures of that tomorrow.
 

OrgAeroMan

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you can buy 150w ballasts for like $20 on ebay, just wire them to a porcelain socket with an extension cord and voila! lamps are also readily available on ebay for $6-7. Well anyhoo, the system I currently run is more of a prototype for the system i'm building in the future. I use it for cloning and short veg. Currently I'm running Bhut Jolokia in it right now (Ghost peppers, the hottest pepper in the world, over 1 million schoville units).i'll get a pick up soon. Its a 9 position system made from 18" pieces of vinyl fencepost. The pics will explain the rest.
 

OrgAeroMan

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I forgot how to load images, they're all in written format! WTF?! I've done it before. Well, I slapped some pics on my member page, you can check them out if you like. Let me know if you have any questions. In the tub I have a fish tank heater set to 71 degrees, two air stones, and a 400 gph pump. On the back side (not shown, oops) there's a spigot I use to drain the res and check the pH /ppm. Nutes are Botanicare.
 

heady blunts

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FINISHED!
:dance013::dance013::tiphat::jump::blowbubbles::thank you:

i'll do a longer write up tomorrow of my last steps, which included passive intake light traps and making the parabolic screens.

but i had to get this picture up! (turned down to 250w)



here's a long shot so y'all can get a better idea of the awkward space i'm working with:



i made a silicone collar around my cool tube so it would plug in snug to my exhaust.



here's a picture of it installed with the light off.



quick shot of the new passive intake light traps:

 

heady blunts

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aw crap. so after a day or two with the hps running, i'm 10+ deg over ambient. i headed over to the ventilation 101 thread to recheck my ventilation figures, and realized i fucked up pretty big.

i had made 8 x 1.5" holes to "double" the 6" exhaust that i was using. well of course that's flawed logic. after calculating the area of a 6" circle (28.2) and a 1.5" hole (1.8), i then divided them and realized i'd need 16 x 1.5" holes just to equal the exhaust! i can't be drilling 30 holes. it might be time to break out the roto zip again. my significant other is gonna flip.
 

heady blunts

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well i decided to leave the ventilation the way it was because i haven't been going more than 10 degrees over ambient temp, which is still below 85F.

had some set backs due to underwatering. just ordered myself a tropf blumat kit so hopefully that will no longer be an issue. my two best plants are ready to be trellised to my parabolic screen. i'm going to start with one screen and veg a couple other plants in my other cab for a few weeks to get a staggered harvest.

also just picked up an air pump from petco. going to start brewing my own ACT. my worm bin is doing great and i have a ton of gorgeous castings to use.

i'm loving the airpots. transplanted the girls into 3L's about a week ago and they got settled quickly.
 

heady blunts

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updates!

started trellising the widow and the p express last week.

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also finally got a brewer set up for making ACT (aerated compost tea). the plants love it!

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also finally installed the tropf blumat system. man these this ROCK. such a relief to have the plant watering itself. if you haven't heard about these yet, check out the thread.

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just another week or two before i'll get the screen all filled. then comes the big flip!
 

DiscoBiscuit

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i can't be drilling 30 holes. it might be time to break out the roto zip again. my significant other is gonna flip.

If you have a saw you can cut one 7 x 8 inch rectangle or two 7 x 4 inch rectangles. An 8" round hole is ~50 sq inches, that would be close enough.
 

heady blunts

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If you have a saw you can cut one 7 x 8 inch rectangle or two 7 x 4 inch rectangles. An 8" round hole is ~50 sq inches, that would be close enough.

yea if i had gone through with it i would have done a bigger hole. turns out that the temps are already a bit low with the current set up, so i'm leaving it for the time being at least.
 

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