Just saying... two of it's main ingredients are Humic and Fulvic ACID 
VG.
VG.
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So who here uses Liquid Karma and then claims they don't adjust their pH?
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vonforne
I used LK alot. It has tons of extracts. But I was also using some of the ingredients, like Z, alone. I have a tea recipe for yucca extract, humic and fulvic acids, High P guano and K-mag that worked great for teas. Yucca extract is a fungal food ad is great in teas.......but no I have never noticed any PH problem.
The only PH problem I had in the last few years was using FF soil before it was recycled.
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The only PH problem I had in the last few years was using FF soil before it was recycled.
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sorry guys i was being a little mischievous but the point is liquid karma has got to make your waterings more acidic and the the combination of that and lime in the soil will put you in a good pH zone sweep. similar to what i do with citric acid.
actually ive just managed to find a humic/fulvic product in the UK for the first time and im excited about trying it. never been able to get hold of it over here before
http://www.lbsgardenwarehouse.co.uk/Medwyns-Liquid-Gold-PRDR-26024510/
actually ive just managed to find a humic/fulvic product in the UK for the first time and im excited about trying it. never been able to get hold of it over here before
http://www.lbsgardenwarehouse.co.uk/Medwyns-Liquid-Gold-PRDR-26024510/
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vonforne
I know what you mean VG. It is hard to find here also. I am ordering from CTguy and it is 3 lbs for 14.99 € to send from Washington State. 3 lbs @ 1 TSP per gallon will last for about 2 years.
Happy for your find man.
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Happy for your find man.
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I'm not sure we can say LK is organic?
but I guess what are we saying is organic in the first place?
link to there ingredients
more info on Polyacrylamide from google
well looks like I'm using the same product. this is not making me happy, and I'm gonna have to do something about it
but I guess what are we saying is organic in the first place?
link to there ingredients
more info on Polyacrylamide from google
well looks like I'm using the same product. this is not making me happy, and I'm gonna have to do something about it
Used all sorts of humic acid and acidic (3.2 pH) EM fermentations and never adjusted pH once but checking the soil (living soil) almost always 6.3 to 6.7 pH. [bacteria:fungi = yin:yang = A
H] <SMIRK> Mr. Smarty Pants
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I haven't checked/adjusted Ph since I fukked up my recycling program way back. Now that I have a handle on my soil and good water, I don't worry about Ph. Fish feeds, LK, EJ, whatever. I even run that stuff in my hempy's (90% perlite, 10% castings) with no Ph/no problem. I will say that I don't use much of anything in the soil at this point, though, so no idea of whether or not it may build up and cause a problem. My main soil feeds are pee and kelp which ends up slightly alkaline, or pee and molasses which ends up SLIGHTLY acidic.
FinestKind
Member
It sure doesn't smell organic... and the rest of the Botanicare line doesn't inspire any confidence that it even might be organic... I've always assumed, therefore, that it isn't organic; I've wondered why people think it is, too!
FK
Tactical Farmer
Member
Here is the link to the Organic Hydro LK thread with alot of info:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=5888
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=5888
My 2 cents on LK-
Most of the humic acid in it comes from worm castings. It's full of molasses. It's not 100% organic but neither is anything else.
I screwed up and bought a pH meter once. I used kelp, LK, guano and other stuff to adjust the pH of my teas. After bubbling for about an hour the pH shifted. Not wanting to over do it I continued to bubble for a day or two. pH went extreme.
So, I bought some Earth Juice Natural pH Up/Down. Got the pH where I wanted it and after bubbling a few hours the pH went extreme again.
After curing some good couch lock Indica I said "screw it" and poured it on anyway.
That whole ordeal went on for about three complete grows.
I'm lazy, especially after smoking Indica so I quit all that mixing altogether.
The thing is, I never noticed any change in my grow whatsoever. So that got me to thinking and experimenting even more.
If you could read the pH of my guano teas, some of you would scream like little girls. It never did anything to my plants except grow BIG BUDS. Of course I was using LC's Mix for a grow medium.
Anyway, been there, done that. Rant over.
Burn1
Most of the humic acid in it comes from worm castings. It's full of molasses. It's not 100% organic but neither is anything else.
I screwed up and bought a pH meter once. I used kelp, LK, guano and other stuff to adjust the pH of my teas. After bubbling for about an hour the pH shifted. Not wanting to over do it I continued to bubble for a day or two. pH went extreme.
So, I bought some Earth Juice Natural pH Up/Down. Got the pH where I wanted it and after bubbling a few hours the pH went extreme again.
After curing some good couch lock Indica I said "screw it" and poured it on anyway.
That whole ordeal went on for about three complete grows.
I'm lazy, especially after smoking Indica so I quit all that mixing altogether.
The thing is, I never noticed any change in my grow whatsoever. So that got me to thinking and experimenting even more.
If you could read the pH of my guano teas, some of you would scream like little girls. It never did anything to my plants except grow BIG BUDS. Of course I was using LC's Mix for a grow medium.
Anyway, been there, done that. Rant over.
Burn1
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Puddin'tane
BurnOne, you say that you bubbled for a day or two. I thought that tea was only s'posed to bubble for a few hours, usually 12, no more than 24?
edit: to answer OP's question, I run an amended LC's, and have used LK as the original wetting agent, and have almost never ph'd after my first harvest.
edit: to answer OP's question, I run an amended LC's, and have used LK as the original wetting agent, and have almost never ph'd after my first harvest.
I bubble at least 24 hours to give the microherd time to grow. I keep a bucket or two of worm casting tea with some molasses bubbling constantly. I just continue to add more water, worm castings and molasses as it gets used. But there is always a few gallons going all the time.
As long as you have food for the bacteria to eat, you can bubble indefinitely. They just keep reproducing and growing.
Burn1
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staff11
I have never adjusted PH with LK. Never had a an issue yet. Could just be good water?
yeah sorry guys, the point i was making (it was a while ago) is that products like LK are adjusting your pH whether you are measuring it or not. i know pH pens are considered to be the work of the devil round these parts so i was being a little facetious. 
FinestKind
Member
Interesting, I had thought I'd heard Bio-Canna was pH balanced... I use EJ, and after mixing, my pH tends to be around 3.3-3.5(!)
But, as VerdantGreen has stated more than once in this thread, he was being facetious...
FK
rckymtnthuglife
Member
B1, You have helped me tremendously when I was starting out. Nothing is 100% organic???!!! Shocking that you would make such a statement. I'm going to have to disagree with you on this point.
Let's put this thread to bed; where it was before someone woke it up. It was just a joke!
EliTheBarrowBoy
Member
I do! It does the trick with my hard water.
It's good stuff as far as I'm concerned!
It's good stuff as far as I'm concerned!
