PBP bloom soil formula?

[smoketrichs]

So I just got the qt. sized bottle today from my local hydro shop. I use regular tap water left out for a few days, do I still need the calmag to follow the lucal formula? Or can I get away in veg with just the pbp and some molasses? Also adding cannazym and rhizotonic all of these at half str for now. I also added 3 drops of schultz 10-15-10 plant food.

 

[Mr Celsius]

Depends on your tap waters calcium concentrations. But PBP is low in Mg, so I have always used the Cal Mag with it; Usually at around 2-3 ml/gal.

The lucas formula is more for the 3 part fertilizers that are sold by a variety of nutrient companies.

I would add molasses at the end of flowering (last 2 weeks or so).

Lose the schultz plant food, its unnecessary.

Also, you'll find better answers in the normal soil section: https://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=10

For very specific nutrient questions, try these forums: https://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=65643

This is organic section and what you are using is not organic by most peoples definition.

Hope this helps

 

[habeeb]

I would not at that shultz food

you might need calmag, you got lime in your soil?

I thought the lucas is 15 PBP and 5 calmag

also would drop the additives till you run the PBP and see how your plants react, how do you know what it could be if your adding so much

 

[smoketrichs]

Dropped the schultz, and picked up some calmag+ today. yea the lucas is 15ml pbp, 5ml cm+/gallon. I'm going to keep adding the cannzym and rhizotonic at 1/2 strength as I've noticed no adverse affects, quite the opposite actually. Using RO water now. Thanks.

 

[Suby]

To my knowledge Lucas formula is with AN nutes but the principle is the same since PBP is actually hydro-organics.
Calmag is calcium NITRATE and magnesium NITRATE plis some iron so your covering you N needs while supplying Ca and Mg and in flowering those needs for N are low enough to get you buy plus the PBPro soil has some albeit very little N.
I've actually grown quite a few crops using the PBP veg and flowering with no calmag whatsoever and had great results.
If you have harder water (300ppm+) the they are getting all the Ca, Mg, Fe they need, some dolomite lime at 1TBS would help cover these needs over the grow and are much cheaper.
Use the grow formula with the flowering formula half and half for the first few weeks of flowering for extra N and your golden.

§ub's

 

[smoketrichs]

Thanks, Suby! I'm working on a limited budget right now, so would you recommend me returning the calmag+ and getting a bottle of the grow instead (I know the owner will let me since unopened)? I've got dolomite lime (~1.5 TBSP/gal) in my soil mix, so no worries there. I was thinking I could just use molasses or epsom salt if I need extra k, or mg when needed. Whatchu think?

btw, 4 plants still seedlings pushing out 3rd nodes, and growing from seed.

 

[Suby]

I would return it especially since the dolomite has you covered.
If you where using RO water it might be a problem but stay with tap water and you'll be fine.
I don't use Epsom salts, usless IMO because you need a balance between Ca, Mg, and Fe and epsom salt is magnesium sulfate so not balance there.
Molasses is a super additive, get blackstrap if you can (breer rabbit SP?).
You can burn your plants with PBPro so go easy, I have a current grow op with a friend and it's used every third watering.
If your on a budget (aren't we all...) look into brewing compost teas.
Humic acids are in compost and product like Liquid Karma and they help get all those nutrients into the plant smoothly.

 

[AbbieDoobie]

I keep it simple by using Foxfarm Ocean Forest soil and Pure Blend (not Pro) Grow and Bloom in light amounts. Also some Liquid Karma. Always worked for me and never any deficiencies or burning. All organic and awesome shit. Very easy.

 

[Mr Celsius]

Glad to see you back in the saddle Suby.

Good advice.