uk clone only! (and british bred strains)
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funkymonkey
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If you're into organics, you might wanna give this new stuff a try, it's a complete all natural organic nutrient, comes in water soluble, liquid and granular (for mixing with soil) forms, the water soluble would be the one to use if you like brewing teas, handful in a bucket, bubble it and bob's your father's brother. Made by the same people who make Maxicrop these days.
ONE Plant Growth Stimulant
http://www.valagro.com/en/garden/pr...S0SX4f-3eA;thingDataId=dd0V9GhbR2Ntv50QAZHxrg
Valagro are a huge international company and have put a ton of R+D money into developing this stuff, it's been getting rave reviews since it came out last year, it has a ton of goodies in it and you don't need to add anything else. At 6.99 for 500g it's worth trying it out I reckon, not used it myself but it's one of the top selling items this year and all the reports have been glowing in their praise for it. Trying it on a couple of cuttings alongside your usual AN regime would be interesting, at the very least it would give you a frame of reference to see how well your AN is working. Some high P bat guano and molasses for K and taste enhancement in the later stages of flowering might be a good idea to add to it but it probably doesn't need it as it already has a ton of goodies in it.
ONE Plant Growth Stimulant
http://www.valagro.com/en/garden/pr...S0SX4f-3eA;thingDataId=dd0V9GhbR2Ntv50QAZHxrg
Valagro are a huge international company and have put a ton of R+D money into developing this stuff, it's been getting rave reviews since it came out last year, it has a ton of goodies in it and you don't need to add anything else. At 6.99 for 500g it's worth trying it out I reckon, not used it myself but it's one of the top selling items this year and all the reports have been glowing in their praise for it. Trying it on a couple of cuttings alongside your usual AN regime would be interesting, at the very least it would give you a frame of reference to see how well your AN is working. Some high P bat guano and molasses for K and taste enhancement in the later stages of flowering might be a good idea to add to it but it probably doesn't need it as it already has a ton of goodies in it.
interesting stuff guys - funky im pretty sure the maxicrop and vitax are alkaloid extracted rather than cold pressed. (still great though). cold pressed seaweed is available but more expensive.
anyone tried this - ?
im giving it a go - pretty sure its based on fulvic acid. not very concentrated though.
anyone tried this - ?
im giving it a go - pretty sure its based on fulvic acid. not very concentrated though.
obviously this is all using the cheese clone,,so think of it what you will
but ,,i found vitalink aint asgood as CannaAqua ,,,ive tried vitalink A+B flower and also in conjunction with there veg feed with budlink,,,CannaAqua took the piss out of it for terpen production,,,the CannaAqua plants just seem to stink more
imo,,,CannaAqua is the best bace nute ive ever tried and ive used alot ,
1 thing id like to mention is foxfarms BeastyBloomz and ChaChing ,,,1 of my mates used foxfarms once and it was quite special,,he usaly uses earthjuice in a hydro system but for just the once he tried foxfarms and i took a shine to that ChaChing and BeastyBloomz,,it made tasty weed thats for sure,,
but ,,i found vitalink aint asgood as CannaAqua ,,,ive tried vitalink A+B flower and also in conjunction with there veg feed with budlink,,,CannaAqua took the piss out of it for terpen production,,,the CannaAqua plants just seem to stink more
imo,,,CannaAqua is the best bace nute ive ever tried and ive used alot ,
1 thing id like to mention is foxfarms BeastyBloomz and ChaChing ,,,1 of my mates used foxfarms once and it was quite special,,he usaly uses earthjuice in a hydro system but for just the once he tried foxfarms and i took a shine to that ChaChing and BeastyBloomz,,it made tasty weed thats for sure,,
STUPPA
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One reason i like using hydrotops is because it has all these extra bits and bobs in already, i don't like having to buy all those extra bottles when i've already paid for feed once .
Bactivator and root stim have all the silicon and humics and fulvics amongst other things already in them , i could be wrong but i think the flush has molasses in it too .If you need more silicon you can just use a silica medium like seramis in your mix then you have a constant supply of it where it is needed without having to buy more bottles.
Hydrotops are bringing out a new range that is totally complete , there are foundation, foliage , flower and finish elements to it ,these have everything you need already in there so you don't have to add any additives,root stim, beneficials or any thing else . If it works that has to be the way to go for me, so much less hassle, and less bottles.
Bactivator and root stim have all the silicon and humics and fulvics amongst other things already in them , i could be wrong but i think the flush has molasses in it too .If you need more silicon you can just use a silica medium like seramis in your mix then you have a constant supply of it where it is needed without having to buy more bottles.
Hydrotops are bringing out a new range that is totally complete , there are foundation, foliage , flower and finish elements to it ,these have everything you need already in there so you don't have to add any additives,root stim, beneficials or any thing else . If it works that has to be the way to go for me, so much less hassle, and less bottles.
funkymonkey
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Aye, I think ya got me there Verdant, it's not cold pressed, that stuff is more expensive, Bod Ayre is an example of the cold pressed, good stuff but expensive.
That Medwyn stuff looks good to me, not cheap but if it works good then worth it.
Verdant, I'll send ya some of my powdered humic/fulvic and aminos to try in a side-by-side if ya like, it would help the community to see the stuff in action in your garden as you have your setup so well dialled and it's one thing for me to say it works and quite another for someone else to show it works.
The Fox Farms tubs are 75 quid each, at that price I'll never try em, sadly. The ChaChing has chitosan in it, I know that much. If Fox Farms are like Canna and print the ingredients on the label then we could copy them, supergrow sell chitosan and other more exotic ingredients in the raw powdered form.
Good point about the hydrotops stuppa. Rick, there's nothing magic about Canna, the reason why Canna nutes work well is they add humic, fulvic and kelp to the base A+B so that the only extras you need are the aminos, vitamins, carbs and sugars and they put those in one bottle in the form of Boost. I would always add silica too, beyond me why Canna don't sell silica, I expect that will be because there is some in Boost, I've definitely seen Boost affect plants in the way silica does. I expect the reason why the Vitalink didn't work as well is they put the humic, fulvic etc in different bottles and you would need more bottles than with using Canna. I noticed the Ionic coco nutes I'm using have humic and fulvic in them, the old Ionic formula I used years ago in DWC didn't, looks to me like Ionic have seen the success Canna has and decided to get closer to their performanc added some goodies. I am very very impressed with how well the Ionic stuff is working for me, my plants are loving it and I barely have to bother with adjusting PH, so that shows it is a well balanced and buffered nutrient. Of course, being a one part, it's much more dilute than Canna and that gives a much higher app rate, but at the price I paid that's no problem and I would recommend it to anyone new to growing or new to coco growing as it's simplicity itself to use and the plants are saying to me that they like it. I'm doing a minimal additives run atm just using the Ionic, DM silica, powdered humic/fulvic, powdered kelp and molasses. Not added any aminos or other stuff yet as they are only 20 days into bloom. Starting shortly I am adding amino powder and some of my DIY 0-9-18 Pk booster, but that's it, no other stuff this run. I'll cut out the silica in a couple of weeks, the molasses, kelp and humic/fulvic I use right up until flush. This will be my cheapest run, nutes-wise for a couple of years and so far it's looking as good as anything I ever managed with Canna or Hesi or Plagron or others.
That Medwyn stuff looks good to me, not cheap but if it works good then worth it.
Verdant, I'll send ya some of my powdered humic/fulvic and aminos to try in a side-by-side if ya like, it would help the community to see the stuff in action in your garden as you have your setup so well dialled and it's one thing for me to say it works and quite another for someone else to show it works.
The Fox Farms tubs are 75 quid each, at that price I'll never try em, sadly. The ChaChing has chitosan in it, I know that much. If Fox Farms are like Canna and print the ingredients on the label then we could copy them, supergrow sell chitosan and other more exotic ingredients in the raw powdered form.
Good point about the hydrotops stuppa. Rick, there's nothing magic about Canna, the reason why Canna nutes work well is they add humic, fulvic and kelp to the base A+B so that the only extras you need are the aminos, vitamins, carbs and sugars and they put those in one bottle in the form of Boost. I would always add silica too, beyond me why Canna don't sell silica, I expect that will be because there is some in Boost, I've definitely seen Boost affect plants in the way silica does. I expect the reason why the Vitalink didn't work as well is they put the humic, fulvic etc in different bottles and you would need more bottles than with using Canna. I noticed the Ionic coco nutes I'm using have humic and fulvic in them, the old Ionic formula I used years ago in DWC didn't, looks to me like Ionic have seen the success Canna has and decided to get closer to their performanc added some goodies. I am very very impressed with how well the Ionic stuff is working for me, my plants are loving it and I barely have to bother with adjusting PH, so that shows it is a well balanced and buffered nutrient. Of course, being a one part, it's much more dilute than Canna and that gives a much higher app rate, but at the price I paid that's no problem and I would recommend it to anyone new to growing or new to coco growing as it's simplicity itself to use and the plants are saying to me that they like it. I'm doing a minimal additives run atm just using the Ionic, DM silica, powdered humic/fulvic, powdered kelp and molasses. Not added any aminos or other stuff yet as they are only 20 days into bloom. Starting shortly I am adding amino powder and some of my DIY 0-9-18 Pk booster, but that's it, no other stuff this run. I'll cut out the silica in a couple of weeks, the molasses, kelp and humic/fulvic I use right up until flush. This will be my cheapest run, nutes-wise for a couple of years and so far it's looking as good as anything I ever managed with Canna or Hesi or Plagron or others.
funkymonkey
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I had a look at the Fox Farms info page and the first thing that I noticed was Beastie Bloomz has an NPK of 0-50-30. Call me cynical but that is the same as mono potassium phosphate.
Now, I'm not saying the only ingredient in Beastie Bloomz is MPK, but I suspect it might be, if there is some extras added I would like to know what they are. Beastie Bloomz is 75 quid for 454 grams, mono PK is 36 quid for 25 kilos, if Beastie Bloomz is just MPK then that means it is only 65p worth of one basic salt, at the price tag they charge, that's an astonishing markup of 115 times.
I'll see if I can find out if Beastie Bloomz has anything else in it besides MPK, they must publish a MSDS sheet for it somewhere.
Beastie Bloomz® Soluble Fertilizer (0-50-30)
Heavyweight Blossom Builder for Gardeners and Hydroponic Growers
Beastie Bloomz® is perfect for gardeners and growers who are ready to take their plants to the next level. This is a high-phosphorus soluble fertilizer that’s geared towards building amazing buds and flowers. Our revolutionary micronutrient pack is designed to create unbelievable internal bud density, which means that plants create fat, dense, tightly-packed blossoms, and plenty of them. You’ll also see exceptionally brilliant color and a long, dazzling blooming season.
Garden tip: Start with Open Sesame® in the fifth or sixth week of a plant’s life. Once bud set begins, feed your plants with Beastie Bloomz® every other watering according to package directions and our FoxFarm Feeding Schedule. For high-yield results, start indoor plants in our Light Warrior® Agro-Ponic® Grow Medium, and use our premium Ocean Forest® Potting Soil for container plants.
In the eighth to ninth week of the plants life cycle, switch to Cha Ching® for an incredible harvest. For complete feeding schedules, go here.
Now, I'm not saying the only ingredient in Beastie Bloomz is MPK, but I suspect it might be, if there is some extras added I would like to know what they are. Beastie Bloomz is 75 quid for 454 grams, mono PK is 36 quid for 25 kilos, if Beastie Bloomz is just MPK then that means it is only 65p worth of one basic salt, at the price tag they charge, that's an astonishing markup of 115 times.
I'll see if I can find out if Beastie Bloomz has anything else in it besides MPK, they must publish a MSDS sheet for it somewhere.
you guys are a bunch of anarchists
talking nutes in the clone only thread-
what next? strain talk ina nute thread? crazy stuff but good data
VG-i think that you are right about the cold pressed thing. I recall Clacksmass Coot pulling me on that in an organic thread-but i struggle to find some of the more esoteric gardening stuff being strictly cash have to use what is available near me.
cheers
talking nutes in the clone only thread-
what next? strain talk ina nute thread? crazy stuff but good data
VG-i think that you are right about the cold pressed thing. I recall Clacksmass Coot pulling me on that in an organic thread-but i struggle to find some of the more esoteric gardening stuff being strictly cash have to use what is available near me.
cheers
funkymonkey
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Oh-aye, I likes a bit of Anarchy 'I know what I want and I know how ta get it.... I wanna destroy the bullshit' to paraphrase Mr Lydon.
Good point tho Eddie, maybe we should start a new thread for the discussion of UK gardening product?
The way they make seaweed extract is to wash it, chop it up, boil it in water till all the liquid has evaporated leaving a hard, dark deposit which they then powder. This is what the powdered extract is, you can buy it for 700 dollars a ton from China. Maxicrop is this re-dissolved in water.
The cold pressed is created through the use of enzymatic digestion in big tanks, hence it's greater cost. I think Alg-A-Mic is made this way, but I think it's shit, plants don't like it as much as Maxicrop and the shelf life is very short, once it's opened it can go bad in 4-6 weeks, seen it happen.
To be honest, you don't lose much if anything with the powder process and we all know it works as we've all used seaweed extract or nutes that have it in them such as Canna.
Good point tho Eddie, maybe we should start a new thread for the discussion of UK gardening product?
The way they make seaweed extract is to wash it, chop it up, boil it in water till all the liquid has evaporated leaving a hard, dark deposit which they then powder. This is what the powdered extract is, you can buy it for 700 dollars a ton from China. Maxicrop is this re-dissolved in water.
The cold pressed is created through the use of enzymatic digestion in big tanks, hence it's greater cost. I think Alg-A-Mic is made this way, but I think it's shit, plants don't like it as much as Maxicrop and the shelf life is very short, once it's opened it can go bad in 4-6 weeks, seen it happen.
To be honest, you don't lose much if anything with the powder process and we all know it works as we've all used seaweed extract or nutes that have it in them such as Canna.
humic/fulvic sounds good funky - do you know how the humic is extracted? apparently most of it is processed in dodgy way - you probably know more than me though. apparently its not a good additive in later flower because it pretty much forces nutes onto the plant. interestingly recent findings show that plants have a LOT of choice about the nutes that they absorb (as long as they are not at levels high enough be absorbed through osmosis) pretty much the only thing that the plant cant control it's uptake of is ammonia style nitrogen.
its also good to be deeply suspicious of bottled nutes. its a racket for sure, and as funky says much of it is pretty basic stuff repackaged and marked up sh1tless.
organic wise if you build a good soil then that should be pretty much all you need. perhaps a bit o' molasses towards the end.
also many bottled organic nutes aren't completely organic...
VG
couple of new crosses i made - untried as yet -
sharksbreath x herijuana - by all rights this one should be pretty pokey
sharksbreath x Deep chunk.
also ive got a few of Mr Greengenes cherry bomb (maui wowie ibl) seeds for the LGA
VG
its also good to be deeply suspicious of bottled nutes. its a racket for sure, and as funky says much of it is pretty basic stuff repackaged and marked up sh1tless.
organic wise if you build a good soil then that should be pretty much all you need. perhaps a bit o' molasses towards the end.
also many bottled organic nutes aren't completely organic...
VG
couple of new crosses i made - untried as yet -
sharksbreath x herijuana - by all rights this one should be pretty pokey
sharksbreath x Deep chunk.
also ive got a few of Mr Greengenes cherry bomb (maui wowie ibl) seeds for the LGA
VG
funkymonkey
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Those two crosses sound amazing Verdant.
Most humic is just powdered Leonardite which is the lignitic form of coal. The humic I have is powdered leonardite, before I started using it I was using Grotek liquid humic which is also powdered leonardite but dissolved in water. Powdered Leonardite is 70-80% humic acid so you can make up your own liquid version at whatever strength you like for pennies compared to pounds for the pre-diluted liquid stuff. Leonardite is already millions of years old so has no shelf life, it lasts forever.
The convential wisdom I've always heard is that you can't overdo the humic/fulvic as it has no NPK and just aids absorption. Interesting what you say however, there are a ton of published papers on humic/fulvic so the answer is out there, just need to do some reading.
Most humic is just powdered Leonardite which is the lignitic form of coal. The humic I have is powdered leonardite, before I started using it I was using Grotek liquid humic which is also powdered leonardite but dissolved in water. Powdered Leonardite is 70-80% humic acid so you can make up your own liquid version at whatever strength you like for pennies compared to pounds for the pre-diluted liquid stuff. Leonardite is already millions of years old so has no shelf life, it lasts forever.
The convential wisdom I've always heard is that you can't overdo the humic/fulvic as it has no NPK and just aids absorption. Interesting what you say however, there are a ton of published papers on humic/fulvic so the answer is out there, just need to do some reading.
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yeah back on topic ,,less waffling on about nutes and lets see the uk only buds ..
maybe funky monkey might wanna throw a few pics of his excellent buds ,,showing how good his cheap alternatives are
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that'll be the day ...
or he could ask british hempire
maybe funky monkey might wanna throw a few pics of his excellent buds ,,showing how good his cheap alternatives are
,,that'll be the day ...
or he could ask british hempire
Cannaboy,
The only use for a sulpher burner i've ever heard of in regards to cannabis is to prevent powdery mildew (though I still wouldn't recommend it for that) - but that has _NOTHING_ to do with feminisation/sex reversal of plants in relation to making feminised seeds.
I have no idea why you say "I am not into cs or other things of reversal tried it with super silver spray but no joy" (what the heck is "super silver spray" anyway???) - so you're not into anything that's scientifically proven to reverse sex, but you ARE into this 'sulpher burner' that has never been _scientifically proven_ (there's the keywords) to have any effects whatsoever in regards to sex reversal.
... ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?????
I'm assuming your CS simply was of a low PPM, or you didn't spray enough, or for long enough, or you're simply bullshitting about ever using it - don't worry, you wouldn't be the first.
There are many thousands of people around the world who have used CS with great success, but I've never heard of _one single person_ ever using a 'sulpher burner' to create feminised seeds, so if you've not been able to get CS to work that's simply user error on your part, sorry mate, but that doesn't mean you should discount CS, because whereas CS is PROVEN to work (see this university paper where they conclude that CS is even superior to gibberillic acid) - https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=2751749, and then read my thread where dozens of people have had success - easily and affordably), your sulpher burner hasn't proven anything.
At the end of the day my friend, science and proven results will always win out over guessing.
CS _WORKS_ it's been proven not only hundreds of times here at icmag, but also in universities, where they've even shown it works better than gibberillic acid. So 1) WHY do you have a problem with that!?!?, and 2) why are you using a method that has never been proven to work???
Best regards,
Pheno
The only use for a sulpher burner i've ever heard of in regards to cannabis is to prevent powdery mildew (though I still wouldn't recommend it for that) - but that has _NOTHING_ to do with feminisation/sex reversal of plants in relation to making feminised seeds.
I have no idea why you say "I am not into cs or other things of reversal tried it with super silver spray but no joy" (what the heck is "super silver spray" anyway???) - so you're not into anything that's scientifically proven to reverse sex, but you ARE into this 'sulpher burner' that has never been _scientifically proven_ (there's the keywords) to have any effects whatsoever in regards to sex reversal.
... ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?????
I'm assuming your CS simply was of a low PPM, or you didn't spray enough, or for long enough, or you're simply bullshitting about ever using it - don't worry, you wouldn't be the first.
There are many thousands of people around the world who have used CS with great success, but I've never heard of _one single person_ ever using a 'sulpher burner' to create feminised seeds, so if you've not been able to get CS to work that's simply user error on your part, sorry mate, but that doesn't mean you should discount CS, because whereas CS is PROVEN to work (see this university paper where they conclude that CS is even superior to gibberillic acid) - https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=2751749, and then read my thread where dozens of people have had success - easily and affordably), your sulpher burner hasn't proven anything.
At the end of the day my friend, science and proven results will always win out over guessing.
CS _WORKS_ it's been proven not only hundreds of times here at icmag, but also in universities, where they've even shown it works better than gibberillic acid. So 1) WHY do you have a problem with that!?!?, and 2) why are you using a method that has never been proven to work???
Best regards,
Pheno
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funkymonkey
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Bah humbug, hazy being bitter and nasty again, must have run out of booze and coke.
Plenty of resin on this bud, molasses and kelp in action. Didn't yield much but the buds were like rocks, GHS SLH, had a good taste/smell but wasn't worth keeping by far, a friend gave me the seeds otherwise I wouldn't have run anything by GHS.
Plenty of resin on this bud, molasses and kelp in action. Didn't yield much but the buds were like rocks, GHS SLH, had a good taste/smell but wasn't worth keeping by far, a friend gave me the seeds otherwise I wouldn't have run anything by GHS.
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is that a british bred kitten?Maxicrop is excellent, Cannaboy-if anyone says anything to the contrary utterly disregard it. It is fucking great. Having said that i'm using one by Vitax 'Organic Liquid Seaweed Extract'-available at some garden centres £7.50/L-it is equally fucking great.
here's a picture of a kitten
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funkymonkey
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Found an old backup disk with old pics, these are the oldest ones I have I think, didn't have a digital camera until 2004, the oldest are first.
Random stuff from early 2004, there's some Nepalese and Mexican in there but I forget what else, this was the day I got my first digicam.
Colombian Gold x Hawaiian, 2004, think it was in soil, wierd shape is cos I trained it to fit a circular vertical grow. Hybrid I mad myself that produced really well and smoked great but in the f2s found a few hermies so gave up on it, it was also a right bitch to grow.
G13 hybrid, 2005, coco, got almost 2oz in a 2 litre pot.
I've never claimed to be a great grower, but I get by. My whole point is I get by on pennies rather than pounds and manage to keep things healthy most of the time. Second time I ever met hazyfontazy he actually had the gall to say 'I am the greatest grower in the world' and there are two people who can confirm he really did say that. The fella is so full of himself it's beyond funny.
Random stuff from early 2004, there's some Nepalese and Mexican in there but I forget what else, this was the day I got my first digicam.
Colombian Gold x Hawaiian, 2004, think it was in soil, wierd shape is cos I trained it to fit a circular vertical grow. Hybrid I mad myself that produced really well and smoked great but in the f2s found a few hermies so gave up on it, it was also a right bitch to grow.
G13 hybrid, 2005, coco, got almost 2oz in a 2 litre pot.
I've never claimed to be a great grower, but I get by. My whole point is I get by on pennies rather than pounds and manage to keep things healthy most of the time. Second time I ever met hazyfontazy he actually had the gall to say 'I am the greatest grower in the world' and there are two people who can confirm he really did say that. The fella is so full of himself it's beyond funny.
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