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i'd agree with that 
John goodman
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cheesey is sweet as a nut, defo one of the goodens...what ya see is what ya get..never done me a wrongen
dont you just love hybrid vigour cheesey, looks nice!!
funkymonkey
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Yes, Cheesey is a good guy, he has been kind and generous to me personally and I know of many instances where he has been good to others.
Doc, honey is the worst possible sugar source to use as it has antibacterial properties and kills soil bacteria and microbes. The carbs and sugars that the beneficial microherd feed on are present in honey but the microherd are killed by honey so it doesn't work like molasses, malt extract, palm sugar or any of those sources. The rawer and less processed the sugar the better, but honey, nope, it's no good, sorry to say as it has anti-bacterial properties.
I think that tea recipe would need some extra cal and mag at least to be properly suited to coco. I have grown a few trial plants with homemade plant extracts before and a few with teas from free ingredients and while they do work, they aren't suited to getting the most out of the least, i.e. an intensive indoor setup where you are attempting to maximise performance. On the flip side for outdoors in the back garden, in a greenhouse or in a larger indoor room where getting the most gpw possible out of your space is important then they are fine. The best natural ingredient I found is good old Comfrey, you just chop it up, stick it in a bottle, add 200ml of water, replace the bottle cap (with a small hole drilled in it) then stand the bottle upside down inside a jug somewhere warm and wait a week or two, the comfrey largely liquidises and drips this foul brown liquid into the jug, you get abut half a litre out of a 2 lire bottle stuffed with chopped Comfrey. The brown liquid is very good for plants and high in NPK, almost a complete food on it's own, loaded with potash. Liquid Comfrey stinks incredibly bad however which is another big reason why i don't use teas indoors, often times they fecking reek.
Doc, honey is the worst possible sugar source to use as it has antibacterial properties and kills soil bacteria and microbes. The carbs and sugars that the beneficial microherd feed on are present in honey but the microherd are killed by honey so it doesn't work like molasses, malt extract, palm sugar or any of those sources. The rawer and less processed the sugar the better, but honey, nope, it's no good, sorry to say as it has anti-bacterial properties.
I think that tea recipe would need some extra cal and mag at least to be properly suited to coco. I have grown a few trial plants with homemade plant extracts before and a few with teas from free ingredients and while they do work, they aren't suited to getting the most out of the least, i.e. an intensive indoor setup where you are attempting to maximise performance. On the flip side for outdoors in the back garden, in a greenhouse or in a larger indoor room where getting the most gpw possible out of your space is important then they are fine. The best natural ingredient I found is good old Comfrey, you just chop it up, stick it in a bottle, add 200ml of water, replace the bottle cap (with a small hole drilled in it) then stand the bottle upside down inside a jug somewhere warm and wait a week or two, the comfrey largely liquidises and drips this foul brown liquid into the jug, you get abut half a litre out of a 2 lire bottle stuffed with chopped Comfrey. The brown liquid is very good for plants and high in NPK, almost a complete food on it's own, loaded with potash. Liquid Comfrey stinks incredibly bad however which is another big reason why i don't use teas indoors, often times they fecking reek.
ive grown my Cheese snip 100`s of times in loads of different systems,,,soil,,hydro,,Coco,,i get the terpens pumping most when i use CannaAqua,,i dont know why but thts a fact,,,the CannaAqua scedual + Budlink, CannaBoost makes the best weed i can get,,,me an my mates have compertitions on how stinky we can get the cheese clone an i allways win with my full CannaAqua system
funkymonkey
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Shame I won't tough the Cheese with a ten foot barge pole cos i hate the stuff otherwise I'd be up for the 'max stink' challenge as Canna has never given me the best stuff, it is a good nute but I've found better ways of getting the best quality.
I've been using Canna for a long time and plan to do some side by side grows soon to see if they are still top of the game (which i strongly believe they have been for some time).
Any suggestions what to run against them?
Peace
Any suggestions what to run against them?
Peace
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Try Hy-pro when on hydro.
For coco Canna is de king in my eye's still.
Trying out AN myself at the moment.
For coco Canna is de king in my eye's still.
Trying out AN myself at the moment.
funkymonkey
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Yeah, plenty of good stuff to try out against them.
Vitalink, UK made, supposed to be higher grade salts than Canna, they use phosphites too which is a more available (to the plant) form of phosphate and also gives resistance to stresses in a similar way to silicon does. Try their Buddy plus their Coco A+B.
Metrop. The most concentrated nute on the market and amino chelated, supposed to be killer.
Plant Magic, another Uk brand, developed in conjunction with ot1, many people at uk420 swear by the stuff.
Hesi, their one part coco nute is very good.
House&Garden, formulated by the same chemist as did the Canna range, it's like an updated Canna, not tried it personally but many rave about it. Bottled in the same factory as Canna nutes are.
Dutchmaster Gold A+B and the add.27 additive, supposed to be the state of the art in amino chelated nutrients.
There are others but those are the main ones that spring to mind.
Im looking to try out some new base nutes too.
Was thinking the Vitalink or the house & garden, will probably try the the Vitalink their stuff is good.
Dont use the Buddy i used it for a while was good at first then i was gettin major burn problems which are now gone after stopping using it along with no drop in yield. They must have changed it because when i first used it it was awesome, great crystal production and slight increase in yield. Peace
Was thinking the Vitalink or the house & garden, will probably try the the Vitalink their stuff is good.
Dont use the Buddy i used it for a while was good at first then i was gettin major burn problems which are now gone after stopping using it along with no drop in yield. They must have changed it because when i first used it it was awesome, great crystal production and slight increase in yield. Peace
funkymonkey
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Hmm, that's wierd about the Buddy. How were you using it? It's a direct replacement for PK13-14 but with different sources of P and K, PK13-14 uses mono potassium phosphate whereas Buddy uses mono potassium phosphite.
One flowering additive I really rate it Dutchmaster MAX Bloom, but it's been replaced by add.27 now. MAX Bloom is 0-2-3 and is mostly humic and fulvic but they add some other exotic stuff including phospholipids, which is why it has some PK in it. I just used Lecithin granules as my source of phospholipids now cos a 350g jar is only about 3 quid and last ages. Lecithin is extracted from soy beans and is used as a health food supplement. I bought some bottles of the MAX Bloom when 3 Counties had it on sale at 4.29 a litre, it works really well but I ran out and since I switching to Lecithin and powdered humic, fulvic and aminos I'm not seeing any drop in performance.
One flowering additive I really rate it Dutchmaster MAX Bloom, but it's been replaced by add.27 now. MAX Bloom is 0-2-3 and is mostly humic and fulvic but they add some other exotic stuff including phospholipids, which is why it has some PK in it. I just used Lecithin granules as my source of phospholipids now cos a 350g jar is only about 3 quid and last ages. Lecithin is extracted from soy beans and is used as a health food supplement. I bought some bottles of the MAX Bloom when 3 Counties had it on sale at 4.29 a litre, it works really well but I ran out and since I switching to Lecithin and powdered humic, fulvic and aminos I'm not seeing any drop in performance.
cannaboy
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Cheesey that cross you made has potential,, that is a good stature of plant I like the bud structure it buds like a blueberry do you think,,
looks nice anyhow,,,
l have never done canna nft rick but 1 day I will try.. out of all the bottles I've been through..
canna is the cheepest and best buy vega is cool
An gives the best dope I can grow,, more resin and bigger buds more vigarous denser foliage and heavier harvests..
hesi was good,,,
In fact the best cheese I've smoked was near brown and fossilised, as was the KC, Grown by ML on canna coco ... coco gets the thumbs up!!
looks nice anyhow,,,
l have never done canna nft rick but 1 day I will try.. out of all the bottles I've been through..
canna is the cheepest and best buy vega is cool
An gives the best dope I can grow,, more resin and bigger buds more vigarous denser foliage and heavier harvests..
hesi was good,,,
In fact the best cheese I've smoked was near brown and fossilised, as was the KC, Grown by ML on canna coco ... coco gets the thumbs up!!
Funny enough I went through a few different base nutes n corresponding additives until doing my best to date, my last run, using compost and Canna Terra, H&G root excelurator, Plagron's green sensation amino/PK additive, Bcuzz bloom stimulator & some molasses/ panela. The bud was also some nice shit...
I keep getting told how good Ferro is from a few mates, but then I wonder about all the nutes shit when Heath Robinson is absolutely killing it using Ionic 1 part and minimal additives!
Saying that I added Bcuzz soil booster & piranha to my arsenal this time round and it has done the roots proud along with the H&G roots excel, lol
Still... Heath is kicking mega ass with the minimal additives...
I keep getting told how good Ferro is from a few mates, but then I wonder about all the nutes shit when Heath Robinson is absolutely killing it using Ionic 1 part and minimal additives!
Saying that I added Bcuzz soil booster & piranha to my arsenal this time round and it has done the roots proud along with the H&G roots excel, lol
Still... Heath is kicking mega ass with the minimal additives...
funkymonkey
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Canna isn't the cheapest by far.
Take a look at this prime example of the way they rip people off. The old AN Barricade was the best potassium silicate on the market as it was super concentrated, like snot and 16 quid a litre, a single bottle lasted a couple of years, it was great stuff.
Note the app rate of Barricade - 0.1ml per litre
Then they replace it with Rhinoskin which is the same thing watered down by a factor of 20. They hiked the price to 38 quid a bottle so combined with the dilution factor, the 2.5 x increase in price makes Rhinoskin 45 times more expensive than the
product it replaced!
Note the app rate of Rhinoskin - 2ml per litre, 20 times more dilute
But still you have this deluded notion your crops are so good because you used the most hyped and over marketed crap money can buy. I bet your crops are average and you are spending pounds where pennies would buy you better products. You've got a lot of ego and not a lot of sense, a dangerous combination, when you grow up you might grow out of it. lol
For everyone else who hasn't been made a fool of by AN's marketing hype, here's my recommendation for the best potassium silicate product currently available, and by best, I mean most concentrated and therefore best value:
Potsil by a small UK company, it's only 6.99 for a 500ml bottle and has a super low app rate of 0.25ml per litre, that makes it 8 times more concentrated that Rhinoskin and as it is 2.7 times cheaper than Rhinoskin it is 22 times more cost effective.
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I like the malt, FM. Principally because of it's enzymes. It is packed with them. I did some tests a couple of years ago on a replacement for Canna/Hygrozyme.
The tests were inconclusive and generated such unpleasant results that i probably abandoned them too soon-the amalyase smelled more intensivily of sick than sick itself does-and a single droplet retained a massive amount of nauseating stench.
But i kept comming back to malt and all it's enzymes (there is a scale of enzyme potential-sounds like isomatic-isostatic?)-but, simply, have not got around to it yet-but must-soon because if you grow on any scale and use these enzyme products as the manufacturers reccommend then you'd need to set up another grow just to pay for the enzymes.
Thanks for the tip on Ecover. What a brain wave. Having used a couple of drops of washing up liquid in a res for years i am just trying out the Plant Magic wetting agent. It is Yukka extract-it is good and works as a wetter-but if used at their minimum dose i'd be doing nearly £10 a day. On Yukka? The Ecover will definatly help-and i imagine that it contains nice things such as lemon juice.
here is a pic of some Comfrey-not clone only -it is UK landrace
cheers
eddieS
The tests were inconclusive and generated such unpleasant results that i probably abandoned them too soon-the amalyase smelled more intensivily of sick than sick itself does-and a single droplet retained a massive amount of nauseating stench.
But i kept comming back to malt and all it's enzymes (there is a scale of enzyme potential-sounds like isomatic-isostatic?)-but, simply, have not got around to it yet-but must-soon because if you grow on any scale and use these enzyme products as the manufacturers reccommend then you'd need to set up another grow just to pay for the enzymes.
Thanks for the tip on Ecover. What a brain wave. Having used a couple of drops of washing up liquid in a res for years i am just trying out the Plant Magic wetting agent. It is Yukka extract-it is good and works as a wetter-but if used at their minimum dose i'd be doing nearly £10 a day. On Yukka? The Ecover will definatly help-and i imagine that it contains nice things such as lemon juice.
here is a pic of some Comfrey-not clone only -it is UK landrace
cheers
eddieS
cannaboy
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I hear what your saying funkey and am listening,, This run I bought big bud and have had the Iguana for a few runs the other additives I bought on a whim ages ago 16 months there probably dead that's why they work,, I used some barricade a few time I got some in a jar from a mate,, tried to use it the other day but it had set soild..
I agree I bought into the hype with an but I like the carbo load and the Iguana,, I may try the alternatives like dextrose I think you said. but untill my free bottles from expos and past freebees ect have been used I am not gonna get much more other than free bud many of my bottles were of trials i paid for and didn't use up seems to be cheep enough Iv'e spent about £1000 on nutes it may be more,, like I said last few runs were on home made brews this time I'm having a break from all that and being lazy only 10 plants,, 1 bucket a time.. come the new year I will be scruge and go get some new food If I'm still growing... I have been smoking for years and growing for few CAN YOU TELL, and the small price for plant food could be smaller I feed to oftern,, still cheeper than buying the buds cheekey monkey
I will do another grow home made...
what do you know about maxicrop???? any good,, and canna was the cheepest ive used,,
I agree I bought into the hype with an but I like the carbo load and the Iguana,, I may try the alternatives like dextrose I think you said. but untill my free bottles from expos and past freebees ect have been used I am not gonna get much more other than free bud many of my bottles were of trials i paid for and didn't use up seems to be cheep enough Iv'e spent about £1000 on nutes it may be more,, like I said last few runs were on home made brews this time I'm having a break from all that and being lazy only 10 plants,, 1 bucket a time.. come the new year I will be scruge and go get some new food If I'm still growing... I have been smoking for years and growing for few CAN YOU TELL, and the small price for plant food could be smaller I feed to oftern,, still cheeper than buying the buds cheekey monkey
I will do another grow home made...
what do you know about maxicrop???? any good,, and canna was the cheepest ive used,,
funkymonkey
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Funny enough I went through a few different base nutes n corresponding additives until doing my best to date, my last run, using compost and Canna Terra, H&G root excelurator, Plagron's green sensation amino/PK additive, Bcuzz bloom stimulator & some molasses/ panela. The bud was also some nice shit...
I keep getting told how good Ferro is from a few mates, but then I wonder about all the nutes shit when Heath Robinson is absolutely killing it using Ionic 1 part and minimal additives!
Saying that I added Bcuzz soil booster & piranha to my arsenal this time round and it has done the roots proud along with the H&G roots excel, lol
Well, said, molasses and panela give me great flavours too.
Roots Excel is great stuff, actually worth the money, I was using it till I ran out and haven't been able to afford anymore so I just use good old kelp and superthrive and I still get plenty of rooted cuttings in decent time and health.
Heath is a shining example to many growers, back on ***** a few years ago he taught me a ton of good info. This is growing nicely using Ionic 1 part Coco Bloom and a few cheap additives, 10 days veg, 20 days bloom, 400w halide:
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Maxicrop is excellent, Cannaboy-if anyone says anything to the contrary utterly disregard it. It is fucking great. Having said that i'm using one by Vitax 'Organic Liquid Seaweed Extract'-available at some garden centres £7.50/L-it is equally fucking great.
here's a picture of a kitten
eddieS
funkymonkey
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I like the malt, FM. Principally because of it's enzymes. It is packed with them. I did some tests a couple of years ago on a replacement for Canna/Hygrozyme.
The tests were inconclusive and generated such unpleasant results that i probably abandoned them too soon-the amalyase smelled more intensivily of sick than sick itself does-and a single droplet retained a massive amount of nauseating stench.
But i kept comming back to malt and all it's enzymes (there is a scale of enzyme potential-sounds like isomatic-isostatic?)-but, simply, have not got around to it yet-but must-soon because if you grow on any scale and use these enzyme products as the manufacturers reccommend then you'd need to set up another grow just to pay for the enzymes.
Thanks for the tip on Ecover. What a brain wave. Having used a couple of drops of washing up liquid in a res for years i am just trying out the Plant Magic wetting agent. It is Yukka extract-it is good and works as a wetter-but if used at their minimum dose i'd be doing nearly £10 a day. On Yukka? The Ecover will definatly help-and i imagine that it contains nice things such as lemon juice.
here is a pic of some Comfrey-not clone only -it is UK landrace
cheers
eddieS
You can thank Brightside for the tip. A friend tol me the Katsu had some killer red Leb in so I hopped on a tram just to get some cos I love a nice spicy Leb and who should have been there enjoying the Volcano and the comfy seating at the back - Mr Cheese himself, Brightside. I spent an hour enjoying the Leb and exchanging growing experiences and tips and he told me about Ecover.
I hear ya on the enzymes, they are stupidly expensive. You could try this stuff, Hagesan Kitchen Sink & Drain unblocker, it's very strong so use it in tiny amounts, about 6 quid for a 750ml bottle and will last you a long time.
I like to use the malt extract in conjunction with molasses and raw cane sugar/panela/panocha/jaggery (it is known by all those names) in a 50-25-25 ratio, that is 50% molasses, 25% malt extract and 25% cane sugar. It works good, adds resin and flavour, similar recipe to some expensive carb booster/sweetener products such as Floranectar and way better than crap like Carboload and Bud Candy.
Someone showed me their latest purchase yesterday - Earth Juice Sugar Peak nutes, I opened the bottle, took a sniff, stuck a finger inside and whaddya know, it was clearly mostly molasses, no mistaking that smell and texture. He paid over 30 quid for two 16oz bottles, just shockingly expensive for what it is.
Comfrey grows abundantly where I live, I can pick bin bags full of it within 500m of my house, if I used soil I would use it, have tried it in coco and it did work but the smell of making the stuff turned my stomach. I wouldn't hesitate it to use it outdoors though, my grandad used to grow huge tomatoes using Comfrey, he would fill a buket with the leaves, weight it down with a brick then add water, cover it with a sack to keep it warm and put it in the coal store till it was brewed. The Bocking cultivar was developed in the UK specifically as a green manure, the landrace stuff is just as good though and also a pretty plant when in flower, tons of small purple flowers.
funkymonkey
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Maxicrop is excellent, Cannaboy-if anyone says anything to the contrary utterly disregard it. It is fucking great. Having said that i'm using one by Vitax 'Organic Liquid Seaweed Extract'-available at some garden centres £7.50/L-it is equally fucking great.
here's a picture of a kitten
eddieS
Agreed, Maxicrop is excellent, like Superthrive it's been around decades and so well proven on so many crops in so many situations that it's above doubt. That Vitax stuff is equally as good, I used to use that when Wilkos sold the 500ml size for 1.99. When they stopped selling it I found a local horticultural wholesalers sold powdered seaweed extract so I use that now, works the same as Maxicrop and Vitax cos it is the same thing, a cold pressed extract. Maxicrop is much better than Alg-A-Mic and has a vastly longer shelf life.
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