uk clone only! (and british bred strains)

[cheesey]

sorry llp for posting a little off topic but i wana ask cannaboy something about what he posted in edgeys psychocindy thread.

cannaboy
The psycho will reverce easy with a sulpher burner!!!

can u explain what a sulpher burner has to do with it ?
as there is no 1 word in PhenoMenals how to make cs and fem seed thread (52 PAGES) and PhenoMenal knows 100% more about makeing fem seed than you.

plus psychosis will not drop polen just like cheese . so no idea why u posted u got s1 seeds (well i do have a idea but im not going to share ) cough cough cannaboys world.

edgey turned psychosis plant 100% male not one bud on the plant just empty balls .

 

[englishrick]

i believe allot of what your saying about nutes is true funky,,,,im not gona say your speculating as i don't feel it nessessery ,,i honestly believe your on the right track here and its delightful to read your comments on it

some things are very easy,,lots of stuff you can buy at a supermarket is an improved substitute to hydro stuff,,,,lets look at PH UP&Down,,,,why not try using bicarb and asprin?,,,,,thats PH UP and PH Down at the supermarket,,,,very good substitutes!!,,,

dish washing liquid for wetting-agent,,,,etc

 

[John goodman]

some great info on nutes...I use canna a&b and a boost- ionic or hammerhead ..Simple..great report herbs

 

[englishrick]

slow down the post speed CannaB,,, id like to hear about this Psycho S1,,

 

[VerdantGreen]

hey LLP

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also i use citric acid to acidify, i buy this from a supermarket that sell beer brewing equipment, bout £1 a pot. i've heard citric acid is beneficial to friendly nitrogen producing bacteria.
to make my solution more alkaline i just use bicarbonate of soda, i've been told this is a good chelator.

yeah the more i learn about citric acid the more i realize it is a fantastic and very cheep additive. pH aside many people use it to keep P ions chelated as they are very easily locked up be iron. i started a thread about it in the organics forum - ill get a link.

sorry bout your blueberry mate, the last grow i did was unlabelled. the plants i thought were your blueberry were actually lemon venom. i never could find which ones were blueberry, maybe there wasn't any there at all. it was just a random buch of cuts that i had left over.

no worries - i must say i was confused when you said you couldnt tell which one it was because it;s pretty unmistakable - although it doesnt smell as strong if it gets more N than it needs, then it takes a cure to bring out the Bb smell. when ive run it just right it smells as strong as the cheese cut (but different) - especially after it's been chopped. hopefully one day someone will run my Bb it doesnt seem to have much oaxican in it - looks almost identical to the lemon thai f3 from bodhi (which is also excellent)
the sharksbreath i passed onto the LGA is still one of my best too. i dont know if anyone ran that - maybe lond did??? very heavy hitter for such a good yielder. tbh i am still struggling to find keepers better than what i started with a couple years ago when i took up growing again after a break. herijuana is one that may make the grade though - thats pokey, although it doesnt make me sleep like i hoped - may need to run it longer.
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nutes wise i pretty much just add water - i use a pretty decent home-made soil mix that seems to meet all their needs. above that ive used half a 500ml bottle of biobiz bloom in the last 2 years

a friend gave me some BAC bloom stimulator and a few bits he didnt want - the fookin' price on the bloom stuff was like £70! hilarious!
dont know whats in it - anyone used it???

cheers

VG

 

[cannaboy]

Well basically rick I ran some cheese and some psycosis and used the sulpher burner for 6/7 weeks mabe in veg and 20 od days flower.. I have not grown this strain much and I thought it would be like the cheese clone but its got funky places bud comes from,, I am assuming that my mothers are correctly labeled,, psycho is the darker 1 of the 2 CxNL????
anyways been sloppy growing for ages had too much on let things co crazy,, (super vit) crazy branching. hard to get in to water and just full on 14 week stress's and I keep findins seeds!!!!! found 9 in the psycosis in the waste bud on the bottom (Fluff) at first trimming,, since I have had it in a jar for a bit and keep finding the odd pip,,

My cheese won't reverce with this hotbox.. used it for longer in other situations and never a seed in a sinsemila grow of cheese but this run 2 so far!! No bullshit lads!!!!

I use the bicarb not so much these days ,, only for My mix with ro/rainwater for coco it needs to go up o.2 ph 80 ltrs or if I overdose on down,,

Lemon juice on the lemon venom this run.....
pineapple on the PPskaze,,




I am not into cs or other things of reversal tried it with super silver spray but no joy,,

This was by pure accident and I am a bit pissed of I got seeds in my shit..

other plants in other rooms also gave s1 this last run

PK LV OGKA..

I got off my ass today and grabed the 1200 tent from another spot and after Lee scratch I will fill it with rude girl's

I popped the shiva and the sensi sk and the sk no 1's you gave me rick are they old? not old stock but I lost loads of seeds recently through wrecklessness and over germination and others being new and poor got culled and old seeds not germing..

After that I'm gonna pop some more in the new year,,


I won't rub seeds on sand paper off the back,, but will paper towel them if there old and seeds that don't germ in the towel go into a tray of soil labeled till they if they do I prefer to put them into soil,,, Old seeds,,

Rick remember I said I wanted to do SDIBL X C99 ???

cheesey I mean't nothing just supprised to see somebody doing a psy x c99.. good cross,,

 

[cheesey]

Well basically rick I ran some cheese and some psycosis and used the sulpher burner for 6/7 weeks mabe in veg and 20 od days flower.. I have not grown this strain much and I thought it would be like the cheese clone but its got funky places bud comes from,, I am assuming that my mothers are correctly labeled,, psycho is the darker 1 of the 2 CxNL????
anyways been sloppy growing for ages had too much on let things co crazy,, (super vit) crazy branching. hard to get in to water and just full on 14 week stress's and I keep findins seeds!!!!! found 9 in the psycosis in the waste bud on the bottom (Fluff) at first trimming,, since I have had it in a jar for a bit and keep finding the odd pip,,

My cheese won't reverce with this hotbox.. used it for longer in other situations and never a seed in a sinsemila grow of cheese but this run 2 so far!! No bullshit lads!!!!

I use the bicarb not so much these days ,, only for My mix with ro/rainwater for coco it needs to go up o.2 ph 80 ltrs or if I overdose on down,,

Lemon juice on the lemon venom this run.....
pineapple on the PPskaze,,




I am not into cs or other things of reversal tried it with super silver spray but no joy,,

This was by pure accident and I am a bit pissed of I got seeds in my shit..

other plants in other rooms also gave s1 this last run

PK LV OGKA..

I got off my ass today and grabed the 1200 tent from another spot and after Lee scratch I will fill it with rude girl's

I popped the shiva and the sensi sk and the sk no 1's you gave me rick are they old? not old stock but I lost loads of seeds recently through wrecklessness and over germination and others being new and poor got culled and old seeds not germing..

After that I'm gonna pop some more in the new year,,


I won't rub seeds on sand paper off the back,, but will paper towel them if there old and seeds that don't germ in the towel go into a tray of soil labeled till they if they do I prefer to put them into soil,,, Old seeds,,

Rick remember I said I wanted to do SDIBL X C99 ???

cheesey I mean't nothing just supprised to see somebody doing a psy x c99.. good cross,,

nice creative writing cannaboy but i still dont belive a word you type .
just like dr rockster full of shite

on a good note yes the psychocindy will be great cant wait too pop some of the seeds.

 

[cheesey]

day 17 12/12 for the nightmare kush in the 12 ltr airpot .. the strech will be over any day now ..
shes loving the new 600w digital and shes only shareing the 1m sq tent with the 1 (fake blues x killer skunk ) will post pics of her tomorrow

 

[g0vnaa]

Ah great green colors.

 

[Londinium]

the sharksbreath i passed onto the LGA is still one of my best too. i dont know if anyone ran that - maybe lond did??? very heavy hitter for such a good yielder. VG

Yeah VG I grew a wee test plantlet of SharksBreath earlier this year and I liked it a lot,Deffo a strong buzz and nice Musky flava(rite up my street actually).....Put one out Geurilla this year with a Goldfinger but a fox dug up the SB(bonemeal in my buddies soil mix). Unfortunately I lost my mum of her to the root problem I had recently but Do intend to get her back asap as shes a Keeper without a doubt. JBo ;]

 

[edgey]

cheesey I mean't nothing just supprised to see somebody doing a psy x c99.. good cross,,

on a good note yes the psychocindy will be great cant wait too pop some of the seeds.

thanks canna , cheesey

not sure about the sulpher thing , its not something i've heard of but i'll be using cs to make some more crosses in ther not too distant future

edgey

 

[funkymonkey]

Must start using liquid silicone. Something I always forget to buy.

I swear by the stuff, gives much stronger stems and increases resistance to mildew and mould. I also use it instead of PH up. Best price atm is Dutchmaster Silica+, under a fiver at Holland Hydroponics. Or you can go on ebay and buy sodium silicate (aka liquid glass) at 70% strength for a few quid. Also seems to help plants cope with stresses from mites, thrips etc.

Love all that knowledge FM. You have a grasp of nutrition that we all should have. I will be the first to admit I do not know enough about the shit I feed my plants, I have a basic understanding. But with indepth knowledge on organic chemistry I seam to muddle through ok.

There are plenty of gaps in my knowledge, I have just learnt what I needed as I don't have access to hydro stores locally and cash has been so tight last few years so I had to learn what I really needed to be giving my plants rather than just go with a good nute range from a hydro store, that's why I've learnt about plant nutrition, that and I'm a nerd who likes to study things in depth! lol It's true, I don't have any other hobbies besides growing ganja.

When ever I get onto nutes I always have a chuckle remembering some kiddy that came into my store looking for a bottle of the magical John Innes additive. I tried to explain to him that John Innes was a chap that developed a set of 4 formulae for growing mediums. With differing ferts ratios for differing stages of growth... He then asked if I knew his email address so he could talk direct.. Thats where I fell over and had to explain that this was in 1930's and had nothing to do with weed. I advised he read up on horticulture.

That is very funny. I truly think every grower should study horticulture at least a little bit, we spend so much on equipment, electricity, seeds, nutrients etc yet we would be better off putting a bit of money into some good books, a night class or a local college part time course to learn the basics of how plants grow. I'm lucky as my grandfather was a gardener after he got invalided out of the mines so I grew up helping him in his allotment and gardens and he taught me a lot about growing all kinds of stuff so when I got older and wanted to grow ganja, I wasn't starting from scratch. Most growers I know started growing ganja and had never grown anything else before that.

So, whats in my mix atm.

House and Garden A&B Coco.
Root Excel
BCuzz Coco booster
Hygrozym and Bactivator once a week to end of flower.

Thats veg.

Then early flower I introduce

Multizym
Superior Potash
Fulvic (when I stop Root XL around day 14)
Humic (when I stop Root XL around day 14)
Bcuzz Coco Bloom stim
FFF

Then mid flower I replace Multizym for BudXL. Also I stop Bcuzz coco booster around week 5.

Week 7 I stop all Bactivator and FFF. No more Superior Potash and pretty much go down to a very basic

A&B at 1.2
Bud XL
and Top Shooting Powder for about 10-14 days.

Then mollases (vitrasol) for a week then flush till done.

I use Superthrive throughout. A capful (small bottle) in each bucket. But not first 2 weeks of flower. And at the end I throw loads in with the Top Shooter Apps.

That all sounds great to me, I don't use beneficials like the Bactivator and FF, I have used mychorrizae and other beneficials before but never seen much if any difference in coco, but to be honest I only used them a few times and not enough to be sure.

I have used so many different additives over the years. This seams to be the best mix for me and my regime. The only thing I would like to add is Guanokalong liquid extract, but with my style I would be throwing money away for a little increase in taste. Well quite a big difference actually. But I like to use it at 1L / 10 L in last 3 weeks of flower feeds.

I liked the No Mercy Liquid Bat Guano, I used it like you did in heavy doese but it cost too much, did help flavour but not enough to justify the cost, I find molasses and kelp boost flavour a lot so the guano would just be icing on the cake and I'm a poor country peasant so I'm happy eating my cake without any fancy icing, still tastes good and most important, gets me nicely f^%$ed up. I tried making my own liquid guano using a bag of Caveman's but I found it didn't dissolve well in water and didn't work like the liquid did.

I know I can make my own alot cheaper by using the powders, but I seriously have no time.

Yeah, I have a lot of free time on my hands so I do have time to mess around, of course, not everyone has as much spare time and one of my mottos is 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' and we all know how well your grows turn out so you ain't got anything to fix. It's good to have the knowledge that you can use cheaper raw forms of salts and organic goodies if you had to though.

 

[funkymonkey]

sorry llp for posting a little off topic but i wana ask cannaboy something about what he posted in edgeys psychocindy thread.

cannaboy
The psycho will reverce easy with a sulpher burner!!!

can u explain what a sulpher burner has to do with it ?
as there is no 1 word in PhenoMenals how to make cs and fem seed thread (52 PAGES) and PhenoMenal knows 100% more about cs and making fem seed than you.

plus psychosis will not drop polen just like cheese . so no idea why u posted u got s1 seeds (well i do have a idea but im not going to share ) cough cough cannaboys world.

edgey turned psychosis plant 100% male not one bud on the plant just empty balls .

I have a little experience with using CS to reverse plants, I played with it a few years ago and a couple of times reversed the Exodus cutting. Docleaf ridiculed me and said that it wasn't possible to reverse the Exodus cutting because it was a true female yada yada, he was just regurgitating and extrapolating from things Sam said on Skunk#1. I know for a certain fact the Exodus cut reverse easily with CS application, I've had it half male, half female and all male with only male flowers, depends when you start spraying and how strong your CS is. What is not so easy is to get it to produce pollen. Out of 3 times I reversed it using three different batches of CS of different strengths and different spraying schedules I never once got it to drop any pollen. I think with further experimentation I probably could have got some pollen off her or maybe I'd have had to use STS or silver nitrate.

Psychosis as we know is close to Cheese so maybe my experiences with Cheese have so relevance to the Psychosis as well, I've never grown the Psycho cut but I did do some of LLP's very nice Psycho Sister (Psycho x Biddy's Sister) and smoking Psycho grown by a few people over the years, to me it's very similar to Cheese and just another Skunky type typical of the Dutch Skunks.

That's my experience with trying to self Cheese, for what it's worth.

My 2c on the using a sulphur burner to make a plant reverse is rather cynical, sounds to me like the 'reversal' was probably expression of intersex traits due to stress from the sulphur. CS, STS, Silver Nitrate, they work to reverse females because the silver ions they contain block the ethylene hormone, I've never heard of sulphur having the same properties. I've sprayed plants with sulphur to treat PM many times and it's never caused any male flowers to form on females. It all sounds very fishy to me indeed, call me a cynic, sceptic, insensitive disser or whatever you wish but it doesn't scan as far as I'm concerned.

Nevil Schoenmakers is interested in learning more about the sexual expression mechanism in cannabis and related techniques such as ethylene to turn males female and silver to make females produce pollen, if he dopes some practical work in the near future in this regard we will increase out knowledge of such things a great deal as Nev will do it properly. Most of the guys making S1s are clueless money whores who don't know much beyond silver + female cutting = female seeds = quick and easy profit. (Yeah Franco, Arjan et al I'm talking about you) but Nev is a proper breeder, not just of cannabis but animals and other species, so any work he does in that area will be on a whole different level and will clear up a lot of the unknowns and questions we have I expect.

 

[funkymonkey]

day 17 12/12 for the nightmare kush in the 12 ltr airpot .. the strech will be over any day now ..
shes loving the new 600w digital and shes only shareing the 1m sq tent with the 1 (fake blues x killer skunk ) will post pics of her tomorrow

May I be a cheeky monkey and ask that you put me down for testing any seeds you make of that Nightmare Kush in the near future? I don't buy into the whole hype ridden fraud and fakery scene that goes with elite cuttings but after all the smoke reports and lovely grows of the NK I feel it is something I should try to experience myself at some point.

As they say where I come from:

'If yas divn't ask yas divn't get, eh'

Krome told me that he had only ever found two plants that he considered to have everything - taste, yield, potency resin, smell etc and they were his Blockhead keeper and The White, and Krome has run more strains as seeds and cuts than just about anyone I've encountered so that's all the recommendation I need.

 

[funkymonkey]

i believe allot of what your saying about nutes is true funky,,,,im not gona say your speculating as i don't feel it nessessery ,,i honestly believe your on the right track here and its delightful to read your comments on it

If I've used something myself in my own garden i say so, if i haven't and am just going on info I read i also say so, I'm not the greatest grower in the world and don't know everything, but if i have done the work I stand by what I've seen but always encourage people to remember that my experiences and results are not absolute gospel, just the opinions and observations of a northern monkey and opinions are like arseholes... we all have one, some hold more water than others.

some things are very easy,,lots of stuff you can buy at a supermarket is an improved substitute to hydro stuff,,,,lets look at PH UP&Down,,,,why not try using bicarb and asprin?,,,,,thats PH UP and PH Down at the supermarket,,,,very good substitutes!!,,,

Aye, I started out when we didn't have all the variety of specifically targeted grow products we have now so we had to think outside the box and try different things. For years many people I know, including me used coca cola for the first week of flush because we knew it gave sweeter, tastier buds if used in the right quantities. We never knew why, just guessed it was the sugar, turns out coke is full of molasses and that's why it had an effect. I rarely adjust PH, my tapwater is close to perfect, always ec fuck all, ph 6 to 6.2, so the 250ml bottles of PH up and down I bought 4-5 years ago are still half full. I use liquid silica which raises ph so I sometimes use a drop or two of ph down but I find as long as it's between 5.8 and 6.4 99% of plants are pretty happy.

dish washing liquid for wetting-agent,,,,etc

Ecover brand is the best for that, a tip I was given by brightside over a nice hash joint a while back when I bumped into him in the Katsu one afternoon.

 

[englishrick]

imo,,,i think your mixing and matching still and your not settled on good formulas,,,,lateley i think you have been over-feeding,,but thats just me,,as you said you have been hammering your plants lately,,,

but joking apart,,,,i think your almost spot-on with some of your nute ideas,,and your makin your nutes for pennys so ive gota give you credit,,,but still you need to standardize everything and make a propper scedual,,,at the min i think you need to tweek the program ,,but once you have it tweeked i have no doubt it will be something i would probbly use if it could be adapted to NFT [you know me],,,

i know myself that i can improve CannaAqua with a lil extra Mg [epson salt] and liquid silicone,,,how card can it be to make a decent bace nutrient

i think you need to standardize your nute mix funky,,,stop hammering your plants,,but its this sorta think that makes me believe you truly are headed in the right direction,,

 

[funkymonkey]

Oh, I haven't been hammering things for a while, I'm not in the business of experimenting anymore, I'm just focusing on building up a nice portfolio of medicinally useful mothers and filling my stash jars so it will be a while before I start hammering anything again, bud production is the current focus.

I do have a very well worked out and tested regime, the only thing I vary is the base nute as I used up the last of my Canna and Dutchmaster base and am working my way through the Ionic stuff I have left, the issue is that I don't run the same cuttings over and over so i don't get to dial things in precisely. I do run a mexican on constant rotation and I have that dialled in very well, with seed runs you find the different phenos have different requirements so you never get em all just right. Maybe I'll find something soon I like so much I want to keep it in rotation, then I can get it dialled just right, but to be honest, I find it's not usually the quality that suffers, it's more yield, I end up growing a load of things that are very nice quality but yield small because I don't run em again and again to perfect the technique they need to give their best.

I am sure I could take a clone or two and focus on just growing them for a few runs and get everything dialled just right but I'd get bored to tears with the lack of variety in my stash and there is so much wonderful variation out there to explore, I hate skunk and a lot of commercial stuff and that's the stuff that is easiest to grow, I like to step outside the comfort zone in search of more interesting and medically useful (for my condition) plants.

Again, it comes back to the matter of personal tastes, my way of growing is a bit different to most, it reflects my eclectic personality I guess.

If you really want me to, I could write down my standard coco regime in detail, I have two, one for the majority of plants and one for sativas as they need different treatment and feeding. They aren't as idiosyncratic as you might suspect and are generally close to what all the other coco growers are doing, the difference is in the source of ingredients, the recipe is pretty standard fare. Then we can discuss the merits in more detail, I'm always open to constructive criticism and new info.

If I lived near a hydro store and had disposable income I'd probably be lazy and use the same stuff people like Cheesey and herbalizor are running, but sadly it's a necessity for me to spend pennies rather than pounds, wasn't always that way, I used to use the full canna range and was happy with it, although I never liked paying for Boost, that shit is expensive in anyone's money! I must add, I've also had my fair share of negative experiences with expensive hyped products, Bloombastic springs to mind, sure it added yield and resin in a really impressive fashion but it spoils taste and makes plants extremely susceptible to mould. Very glad I didn't pay for that stuff, Herbalizor gave me some and I also got some samplers of it from expos.

 

[DocLeaf]

Much of what you put in relates to end yield,,, (be it time , nutrients, or lighting).

Personally i try and grow everything for FREE these days... (which compromises yield depending on season). My coco-soil mix is recycled from commercial gardens and my light source is natural,, so my own organic teas aim to reduce any cost to an absolute minimum. The following tea also works on coco substrates, but more N is normally needed to keep the plants balanced.

Basic organic tea:

Bat guano
Worm cast
Urine
Nettles
Burdock
Sugar (the stuff you put in cups of tea)
Mole-hill soil

If i'm rich then i'll buy natural honey or maple syrup ,, the analysis of which breaks down to be more beneficial than both cane sugar or molasses.

Totally agree that buying spit in a bottle with a fancy label is a waste of money (there's one born every min)... may as well buy a bucket and an airstone and a bag of Oxfam guano.. and make your own

Peace

 

[cheesey]

doc whats your problem ? sending me bad rep with a message ? ive said nothing about you in my posts

doc get your facts right, im no kid .if you are happy with your lga member posting bullshite thats up to you but theres no need to
send me a threatening message . as ive said ive havnt said 1 word about you so why send me that ridiculous childish threatening pm ???

 

[lovelightpower]

i would def say cheesey is a good guy.
has always helped me out and never causes any problems for anyone.
much love and respect to cheesey.