Warning new off gassing product!!!!

[Tokesome]

Yeah, I`ll find out and post up here for others in the UK.

On a good note, the 90ltr waste bin rez`z that I have are made from Polypropelene, code PP, and my mixing tote is made from LDPE Low density Polyehelene. Both considered as safer plastics as far as I can find out, that doesn`t mean that it cant have any negative health effects, but neither have the phthalates that we`re concerned with in the PVC.

This helps me to some extent as I try to eliminate plastics from the danger list.

I`m starting to think its most likely down to 2 things, the paint (cheapo landlords Magnolia) which is throughout most of the house, including the cloning closet, and a cheapo double glazed window, even though that is mostly sealed with Panda plastic.

The reason I`m leaning towards this is that I`ve had problems since moving to this address, and the large majority of my equipment came with me from my last place. I`ve probably added a few cables, such as extension leads and lighting flex, and the rez`s which I believe to be safe in respect of off-gassing.

I cant find a plastic spec for Panda sheeting, anyone any ideas what grade plastic its made from?? There are 2 different types, the heavy duty and the normal thinner stuff.

Any idea on whether its safe, re off-gassing, to paint with a low VOC paint whilst plants are in the vicinity?

Also, is it necessary to use a sealing primer over paint before painting with a low or zero VOC paint, or is that just in the case of things like studded walls and caulking?

Thanks, Toke

 

[Tokesome]

Any idea on whether its safe, re off-gassing, to paint with a low VOC paint whilst plants are in the vicinity?

Also, is it necessary to use a sealing primer over paint before painting with a low or zero VOC paint, or is that just in the case of things like studded walls and caulking?

Thanks, Toke

Dont mean to hassle you guys, but just thinking about painting out my cloning cupboard out, which is attached to my main flowering room, 9 days from the chop, and the clones will have to go back in the cupboard at the end of the 12/12 cycle. Does zero VOC`s mean its safe even whilst wet/drying??

Thanks, Toke

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

Also, is it necessary to use a sealing primer over paint before painting with a low or zero VOC paint, or is that just in the case of things like studded walls and caulking?

Paints and primers have different make-ups for different purposes. A sealing primer, for example, is intended to seal... more so that a given paint that might be formulated for color uniformity, or perhaps ease of wipe down.

A low VOC paint is intended not to off-gas volatile organic compounds. Those same compounds (and this is just used as an example, and has no direct basis in reality) might have great adhesive qualities in a sealing primer.

I don't know specifically how neutral or bad drying paints will effect your girls, but I'd personally let it dry (just from a practicality point of view). I know there are other concerns... so don't risk your liberty. Do the best you can with what you have available.

 

[U.G.U]

I am with ImaginaryFriend on the paint issue I would let it dry before I put anything in there. Even if it is zero VOC paint.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

im putting together a 30 bucket rdwc and just had a failed grow with the nwg.com 1/2 hose... are we sure there are not other nwg.com hose in other sizes liek 3/4 that has off gassing???

is it JUST 1/2 hose??/

 

[Herborizer]

im putting together a 30 bucket rdwc and just had a failed grow with the nwg.com 1/2 hose... are we sure there are not other nwg.com hose in other sizes liek 3/4 that has off gassing???

is it JUST 1/2 hose??/

I removed all my 1/2, 3/4, and 1' hose. Replace it with Hydrofarm hose.

 

[snoopytime]

im putting together a 30 bucket rdwc and just had a failed grow with the nwg.com 1/2 hose... are we sure there are not other nwg.com hose in other sizes liek 3/4 that has off gassing???

is it JUST 1/2 hose??/

Yeah man ANY NGW.COM hose cant possibly be trusted. Think about it . . does it make sense the boss of the cheaphosefactory.cn says "OK you gai - put DIBP in haff-ench hosed - then putting regulared phthalate in every other sized'!

I would bet my left nut they mix up 9000 metric tons of melted blue crap and pour it into the different sizes all from the same mix.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

i guess what i was trying to say is all nwg.com hose stamped with nwg.com??? cause all my 3/4 hose dont say shit it just blank hose...

 

[mdk ktm]

Hey guys, A couple weeks ago I informed my local hydro shop employees of the off gassing and their hose. I told them to type in toxic ngw hose, and read what shows up. They referred it to the owner. And guess what the owner said.

THIS IS JUST AN ATTEMPT BY ADVANCED NUTRIENTS TO FUCK WITH NGW, SINCE ADVANCED NUTES DOESNT LIKE NGW?

I laughed when the employee read me the email.

I cant fucking believe that idiot thinks U.G.U is big mike. You clearly stated that you used multiple nutrients? And there is so many other people that had problems here.... YOU ALL MUST WORK FOR ADVANCED NUTRIENTS HAHAHAHAHAH

If that guy didnt have a monopoly on my area I would boycott that jackass!

 

[U.G.U]

mdk ktm
Tell him I will send him a free roll of tube if he thinks I am full of shit.

 

[Tokesome]

Hey guys, A couple weeks ago I informed my local hydro shop employees of the off gassing and their hose. I told them to type in toxic ngw hose, and read what shows up. They referred it to the owner. And guess what the owner said.

THIS IS JUST AN ATTEMPT BY ADVANCED NUTRIENTS TO FUCK WITH NGW, SINCE ADVANCED NUTES DOESNT LIKE NGW?

I laughed when the employee read me the email.

I cant fucking believe that idiot thinks U.G.U is big mike. You clearly stated that you used multiple nutrients? And there is so many other people that had problems here.... YOU ALL MUST WORK FOR ADVANCED NUTRIENTS HAHAHAHAHAH

If that guy didnt have a monopoly on my area I would boycott that jackass!

That`s not untypical, where I live there are about 8-10 grow shops supplying the area, only one of which I reckon you can get sound advice and that they`ll listen to what you say and if they dont know about it, they`ll look into it for themselves. The rest of them just seem to be cowboys and dodgy fuckers trying their best to cash in, as much as possible, on us lot, and tell us any old bullshit to do so.

I`d really desperately be looking for a new supplier if I took a concern like this to them and they responded like your`s did mate, I just couldn`t stand to give them my cash. Maybe its the new way of dealing with things. . . . the customer is always wrong? Tossers.

Toke

 

[Tokesome]

I am with ImaginaryFriend on the paint issue I would let it dry before I put anything in there. Even if it is zero VOC paint.

Oh and thanks guys for your info and responses. I dont quite know how I`m going to manage it, as I cant keep my plants out of the cupboard for more than 12 hrs at the moment as the main room is towards the end of flowering. 12 hrs wont be long enough to dry, not properly ie. till the smell fades off. The main room, I can probably spare for a couple of days tops, without inconveniencing me considerably, at the end of this run.

Despite being concerned enough to check in with you guys first, I`d have thought zero VOC`s meant zero VOC`s, is it that there are there other substances, in the paint, that are harmful to the plants whilst its wet/drying/curing, or are you just erring on the side of caution guys.

I`m a bit confused on the VOC`s being a problem, but zero VOC`s could still be a problem.

I`m going to find out in the coming week what zero VOC paints are easily available here in the UK and I`ll post it up here for others. I`ll probably have to risk the plants and paint drying, though I`d get on it early and give it as much of the 12 hrs as possible to dry before putting the plants back in for 12 hrs. Otherwise it means keeping them in there until after my current grow finishes, paint the main room, put all the plants in the main room on 18/6 whilst I then paint the cupboard. I`d rather get on with it as I think the off gassing is affecting the 5 Hog plants I have in there, I think the Grapefruit is coping with it better. A foliar feed with Mg will help them along a bit, but I`d rather try and eradicate the problem asap.

Cheers, Toke

 

[mdk ktm]

That`s not untypical, where I live there are about 8-10 grow shops supplying the area, only one of which I reckon you can get sound advice and that they`ll listen to what you say and if they dont know about it, they`ll look into it for themselves. The rest of them just seem to be cowboys and dodgy fuckers trying their best to cash in, as much as possible, on us lot, and tell us any old bullshit to do so.

I`d really desperately be looking for a new supplier if I took a concern like this to them and they responded like your`s did mate, I just couldn`t stand to give them my cash. Maybe its the new way of dealing with things. . . . the customer is always wrong? Tossers.

Toke

I buy as little from them as possible, I try to buy from home depot and shit as much as I can. The thing that bothers me about it, is that some unsuspecting growers could have to deal with that shit for years if they aren't on a growers forum. If there was something like that going on with a product, i sure as hell would like to know.

And U.G.U. if you sent them a roll, they would probably put that shit on a shelf to sell it. That would be some fucked up shit, like giving someone AIDS or something.

 

[U.G.U]

Tokesome
I think you could manage in 12 hours or less primer dries pretty fast. If you have a space heater put it in the room to speed up the process.

 

[Budmentor]

U.G.U.
I had this happen to a friends room that I put together in 2008. Nothing fixed the problem until we changed the system and moved to a different location. With 20 years experience I was losing rep faster than if I dissed Rez. Thanks much and much respect for your diligence in discovering the problem.
On the legal side, careful of the feds, they got NO sense of humor.

 

[ballplayer 2]

Hey guys, sorry I have not checked in on the thread recently.

I have a question about the primer. I looked up the Coronado "Grip and Seal", in a description I found it says "VOC Compliant". To me that likely means under whatever the limit is for that particular type of paint (ie., flat vs gloss; or white vs pigmented). Should I be concerned about that label at all?

All I know is that I used a ton of caulk to seal up my room, especially thick where the drywall meets the floor. I had little regard for whatever the VOC content was of the caulk. So if caulk is indeed a culprit of offgassing, I have no doubt that it is likely giving off high levels.

Here is another thing I wanted to bring up. Besides my two rooms I have been having problems with, I also have two other spaces I am trying to use as grow areas. Both of these spaces are adjacent to where my rooms are, most importantly there is air exchange between all the spaces. Plants in these other spaces are coming down with the same symptoms. In your best estimation do you believe the gases coming from the newly constructed rooms could float 5-8 feet in the air, AND be strong enough to cause problems to plants located there?

It is disheartening because I have had good success in all these previous locations before these new rooms were constructed. However, trying to pinpoint the exact source of these toxic emissions is proving to be very difficult. I am trying to consider all things. Sump pump holes, stored household cleaners/chemicals, etc. The only thing is I have been successful with all these things in place in the area in the past. It is only since the construction of the new rooms that I have been having so much difficulty.

As an aside I was actually able to keep two HUGE cherry tomato plants alive in my basement for almost six months last winter. As I had been trying to get my confidence in my skills boosted up enough to warrant the popping of valuable seed.

Now let me tell you all why this was important, because I just thought about a specific scenario the other day. Because I had not used my newly constructed grow rooms I closed them up. My flowering room door was closed, veg room door was closed, and the door to the room where both of these rooms are located was closed. The humidity had reached a point in these rooms where my controllers kicked on my exhaust fans in both flower and veg area. I did not bother kicking the exhust fans off, I let them run figuring air exchange is always a good thing. Wouldn't ya know I grew two 4-5 ft tall cherry tomato plants that were the picture of health.

After I grew those plants out I figured hey I got it figured out. And as the time went on I figured those exhaust fans running constantly are just wasting money and electricity. I turned the fans off, and have not had successful grows in the adjacent areas since. I also opened up the doors to the new rooms figuring I was the problem. Seedlings get great root growth, but the leaves look like shit and eventually die while presenting no overt specific symptoms; just a myriad of symptoms that are impossible to fix.

Now I am about to replicate this hypothesis to the best of my ability this winter with more tomato seeds. If I close up the rooms and turn on the exhaust and have successful grows in the other areas again I will know my culprit is coming from the specific room where my newly constructed rooms are in.

I'll probably just end up sealing and painting my new rooms anyhow. I just want to be sure I am able to get all that darned caulk and crappy paint all sealed in properly. Then I'll paint with the low VOC Benjamin Moore. It just makes me very nervous to think of the possibility I may have to change locations just to be successful at some point in the future.

 

[Tokesome]

Tokesome
I think you could manage in 12 hours or less primer dries pretty fast. If you have a space heater put it in the room to speed up the process.

We`ll soon find out mate, thanks.

Hey ballplayer2, It sounds to me like its gonna be the studded walls and/or the caulking. I`d certainly discount all stuff you`ve used previously with success and concentrate on anything new, starting with sealing up the wall and caulking. From here it sounds like its most likely to be at fault.

If you`ve run things without extraction on for a while it will increase the ill affects tremendously, and would definitely spread to rooms just 5-8 feet away. Huge amounts of extraction would also reduce symptoms tremendously. Best thing obviously is to have the problem remedied and plenty of air exchange

I think I read where some tomato plants are more resistant than other`s so I think the test may be misleading.

I`m certain some strains of cannabis are the same, I have a Grapefruit that copes quite well, where others have and still suffer badly. I too am painting this week! Best of luck sorting it mate.

Cheers, Toke

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

It is only since the construction of the new rooms

You wrote out your own answer. If it's only since you built the rooms that there's toxicity, its something you introduced. (I suppose, technically, it could be something you closed into the room as well, that is, concentrated by eliminating it's natural dilution/path of exit.)

Carbon Filters aggressively cleaning the air in the room has also been reported to help...

 

[overmyhead]

Is this only the hose that has the name on it? I bought some hose from a shop that uses hgw (all the t's and elbows were ngw) but the hose is unmarked.

 

[U.G.U]

overmyhead
That unmarked hose is most likely botanicare hose that is what NGW was distributing before their toxic hose I have heard of no problems with the unmarked botanicare.