Need help revising this simple mix

[PuReKnOwLeDgE]

Hello IC

I have 4 cycles worth of experience using a certain mix of soil, and I am looking to improve it more towards my useage of the mix.

The mix goes like this (blazeoneup's soil mix),

1.5cft Ocean Forest
2.0cft Happy Frog
50L Bcuzz Coco
1/2 Bag (bushel) of Chunky Perlite
4 cups EWC
1.25 cups Bone Meal
1.25 cups Blood Meal
3/4 cup Soil Sweetner (lime)

This recipe makes 54 +/- gallons of medium, and only needs water to get a crop through.

I was told to use 2 tsp of beatie blooms per gallon of water once or twice as a PK boost in flower with this mix.

Blazeoneup uses this mix more successfully with smaller sized plants, were I am growing larger sized plants with a 6-8 week veg.

Here is the issue:

I am using Open seasme, beastie blooms, and cha ching when I have to, the only reason I am using the seasme and cha ching is to help prevent or delay nitrogen deficinecy in mid flower. I am experiencing yellowing of the leaves a little sooner then I would like.

This mix is a dream for mother plants, every 100 days or so I just cut up the rootball and repot. Never had anything out of the normal happen vegging or in flower, just early yellowing.

My question to you IC, is what would you do to improve upon the soil recipe I am already using?

I love this mix for its simplicity, and I don't want to make any major changes. Not looking for stinky teas or anything of that nature. I "just add water", and the PK boost once or twice.

 

[Phillthy]

i think you see the yellowing a bit sooner because it is cut so much with the coco.

i run 1.5cf bag of ocean forest to 1.6cf of promix.
1 cup bone meal
1 cup blood meal
1 cup lime
1-2 cups ewc

this makes 30 gallons. you almost doubled the amount of product but only increased the N products by 50%. i would use 2 cups of bone and blood meal.

 

[guest2012y]

Hello IC

I have 4 cycles worth of experience using a certain mix of soil, and I am looking to improve it more towards my useage of the mix.

The mix goes like this (blazeoneup's soil mix),

1.5cft Ocean Forest
2.0cft Happy Frog
50L Bcuzz Coco
1/2 Bag (bushel) of Chunky Perlite
4 cups EWC
1.25 cups Bone Meal
1.25 cups Blood Meal
3/4 cup Soil Sweetner (lime)

This recipe makes 54 +/- gallons of medium, and only needs water to get a crop through.

I was told to use 2 tsp of beatie blooms per gallon of water once or twice as a PK boost in flower with this mix.

Blazeoneup uses this mix more successfully with smaller sized plants, were I am growing larger sized plants with a 6-8 week veg.

Here is the issue:

I am using Open seasme, beastie blooms, and cha ching when I have to, the only reason I am using the seasme and cha ching is to help prevent or delay nitrogen deficinecy in mid flower. I am experiencing yellowing of the leaves a little sooner then I would like.

This mix is a dream for mother plants, every 100 days or so I just cut up the rootball and repot. Never had anything out of the normal happen vegging or in flower, just early yellowing.

My question to you IC, is what would you do to improve upon the soil recipe I am already using?

I love this mix for its simplicity, and I don't want to make any major changes. Not looking for stinky teas or anything of that nature. I "just add water", and the PK boost once or twice.

Hmmm.....I would (and this is just me) ditch the blood for high N. bat guano or fish meal,and ditch the bone meal for fish bone meal.
I would also supply a diversity of humic acid sources and microbial life forms (which take care of ph issues) by introducing a SOLID HIGH QUALITY COMPOST AND EWC!!!
Fuck that Happy Frog and FF BS...find a good quality peat such as the Alaskan product Microbeman suggests...and use a topsoil that is rich and black. Soak your un-salted coco coir in a mild EWC tea before use. Use Fish Hydrolysate if you don't want to deal with ACT teas....but really man,that shit's easy to make up a tea that contains billions of beneficial microbes that take care of everything for you.
Ditch all those bottled products. Start using Acadian kelp extract....or just mix it in your soil like I do. Ditch the ph meter! Tell yourself it's broke.
Find a the proportions of ingredients that fit your personal gardening style...experiment with slight variations on a mix before plugging all your clones into a mix that you hope will work.
Pest management is equally as simple for me and a lot of other growers I know 'round here. Hope that helps.......
Here's my trip in veg.........

 

[PuReKnOwLeDgE]

thanks for the feedback Phillthy, what you are syaing makes aot of sense. I have 0 experience developing organic mixes, so I have just been following the recipe i was given. Like i said I think he is more successful with smaller plants in this mix, but larger girls can be much more demanding, and considering the length of veg in the medium eating everything up.

I am open to more input, thanks

 

[PuReKnOwLeDgE]

capt Cheeze1-thanks for the reply. I am not trying to over complicate things by changing up a mix to much. I have had great success with this mix already I am just encountering yellowing with different strains. Sour bubble my pride and joy seems to like it just fine, but bogglegum and LVPK are yellowing up about 7-10 days to early for me.

The happy frog does contain lots of microbes, and also I forgot to include that I water with floralicious+ every other watering, which is full of humics and gives me a good PH swing.

Overall I am really happy with what this soil has done for me over the last 8-10 months. I have been running it perpetually with good qulaity and yields, never PHing anything, and minimal fox farm bud boosters. If I can add more of an ingredient that I am already using like Philithy suggested sounds more intriguing to me. I am more of a hydro grower, but some extra space, equipment, and the simplicty of this soil ended up being a 3k perpetual soil grow.

 

[guest2012y]

I run the LVPK as well. It does alright in a solid organic mix,but depending on environmental differences it seems to respond to several variables. She appears to be a heavy feeder and I supply all my heavy feeding girls with the same mix. I go for nitrogen sources that break down at different rates....that way they (and the microbes) always have something to eat. Blood is fast..and quick to go. I don't mess with it because it's gross. Nitrogen Bat guano takes around 4 months to completely break down...alfalfa is as about as quick as blood,crab meal takes quite a bit longer than both....not to mention EWC and Compost as an available N. source.
Try supplying N. sources that break down at different rates...and make sure you supply the microbes to do the job. Fish Hydrolysate is the BOMB!
Here's a couple shots of the LVPK (1 gallon pot)...I've had better results that I didn't take pix of because I've put my time into better types (strains) than her.

 

[big_daddy]

Hmmm.....I would (and this is just me) ditch the blood for high N. bat guano or fish meal,and ditch the bone meal for fish bone meal.
I would also supply a diversity of humic acid sources and microbial life forms (which take care of ph issues) by introducing a SOLID HIGH QUALITY COMPOST AND EWC!!!
Fuck that Happy Frog and FF BS...find a good quality peat such as the Alaskan product Microbeman suggests...and use a topsoil that is rich and black. Soak your un-salted coco coir in a mild EWC tea before use. Use Fish Hydrolysate if you don't want to deal with ACT teas....but really man,that shit's easy to make up a tea that contains billions of beneficial microbes that take care of everything for you.
Ditch all those bottled products. Start using Acadian kelp extract....or just mix it in your soil like I do. Ditch the ph meter! Tell yourself it's broke.
Find a the proportions of ingredients that fit your personal gardening style...experiment with slight variations on a mix before plugging all your clones into a mix that you hope will work.
Pest management is equally as simple for me and a lot of other growers I know 'round here. Hope that helps.......
Here's my trip in veg.........

I run a mix very similar to Capt. Cheez's, ( I like the marine meals rather than the bovine meals)and quite frankly You can't get much better. The only other must have for me is alfalfa meal and neem seed meal in the soil mix.

I would ditch the FF goodies also........you'll get equally good results without the yellowing problems brought on by the pH issues associated with grow store nutrients.

Just my two cents.....

b_d

BTW......nice looking plants Captain!