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darko_G

darko_G

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i have the chance to set up a big one (big in my eyes at least) probably gonna go for either 4 1k lights or 8 600watt lights. i wanna ask what you guys think the most productive, and simplest sog set up on large scale. 4 tables either 8ft nft tables or the table in the link below. i wanna have very itle or no vegging time from clone.. and what is the best spacing for ebb and flow tables with no vegging time? am planning on cooling the lights and running an ac in there
 
darko_G

darko_G

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so ur saying go for 4 8ft nft tables with 2 600's to each of them?
2 600's seems exessive for the smaller ebb and flow tables or am i wrong?
 
darko_G

darko_G

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vertical is wayy outta my price range... but good call id never even thought of that. tbh im thinking of going for the nft with a lill veg time rather than single cola in ebb and flow cuz it means getting less clones for one. tables are cheaper (although i need twice as many lights) anyway my dogs stink so ima go bath them now
ina peice
 
Sandnut

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darko_G said:
vertical is wayy outta my price range... but good call id never even thought of that. tbh im thinking of going for the nft with a lill veg time rather than single cola in ebb and flow cuz it means getting less clones for one. tables are cheaper (although i need twice as many lights) anyway my dogs stink so ima go bath them now
ina peice
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whats so expensive about growing vertical? :chin:
 
rocket high

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i grow with a 6ft nft multi-duct with two 400w hps and get great returns ... i havent the room to put anymore trays in ..but if i could i would .. i bet your thinking about the expensive collisiumn systems that the hydro shops sell but there are cheaper ways...
 
darko_G

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yeah i dont kno anything about vert growing so if i was too it would be a hydro store set up.
ima get exact prices on everything now and see where i stand then........ jus outta curiosity warguon with diy vert set ups how can one do it on the cheap?
 
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ALothlórienTree

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hrm, i saw a thread.. and i'm too stoned to look for it now but he had what looked like 5 gallon buckets going around a light(s), then he just started putting buckets on top of each other. not sure if there was a cage or something to prevent them from getting knocked over but i remember thinking the creator was ambitious on how many buckets were stacked up. sure you could do hydro but i think his was soil. it'd be cool ;)
 
Lazyman

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Basically, don't do a SOG. I tried an 8kw sog, and it takes WAY more clones than you can get or make, trust me. Especially with no veg time:

4 clones per square foot
36 square feet per 600W light (3X3)
= 144 clones per light

144 clones X 8 lights = 1152 clones.

To make that every 2 months you would need ~29 large mothers in a pretty huge veg room, or spend ~$5 each to pay ~$5750 every 3 months for clones.

Still think SOG is fun? ;)
 
darko_G

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i did see a video about stacking containers off center (they were using big white polystyrene boxes) but im sure 5 gals would do the same.. probably better given more buckets = more gaps = more spaces for plants.. maybe i will try something like this in a spare part of the room.. bare hanging 600w hps encircled by buckets exept for a small gap to walk in and out for maintinence filled with coco/perlite and dripper fed or maybe clay pebbles oh endless possibilities.. maybe on wheeled trays to move walls around.....probably jus another great idea i will never get round too.. would be kool though
 
darko_G

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i didnt explain myself properly sorry lazy man.... i would be using 2 600 watt lights if going for the 8ft nft table.. but am instead going for 1k light over 70cmx120cm ebb and flow table... thats 36 plants to a table right? with 1k above... might even stagger 2 tables one month and 2 the next month giving me monthly crops....i wouldntr be doing sog under 2x600watt lights per table.. does any of this make sense i very rarely do.... you however seem to be very experienced so many thasnks for the reply
 
darko_G

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this is officially my most successfull thread so far wehey.. oh and yeah i agree that grow is a waste of energy i think the bucket idea would be more productive.... if it really would be as simple as coco and perlite,, buckets and one hanging bulb in the middle i think i might try it at some point....o and i think i decided to go with the ebb and flow tables under 1000 watts
 
Lazyman

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Hey Darko, 2 600's don't light a 4X8 table very well, you'd need 3 of them to do the job. A 3X6 table is better for 2X600's.
 
darko_G

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thats it.... im goin with the smaller ebb and flow tables... but still lets keep the thread going to discuss the most productive combination of well erm.... everything.. im new to hydro and have already learnt alot.. many thanks.. so whats best sog with a week or so of veg or cram packed with single colas? exactly the same enviroment on a 70cmx120cm e.f table hydroton 1kwatts
 
Lazyman

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The three best yielding systems I've seen:

Doubled's MPB buckets (11.2 kw, 10 plants, 3 week veg, 42.3#!!!)
Soquick's bucket system, don't recall yield
Any well-designed vertical SOG

All of these are very efficient, but rather elaborate setups. None are for newbies. A flat SOG is one of the best yielding flat gardens, but the sheer # of clones makes it very difficult to maintain. Also not very newb friendly.

ALL efficient gardens rely heavily on system design, grower experience, and strain selection. A good cut will literally make the difference between 1# per kw and 2.

If I'm wrong, someone show me a flat garden making 2# a light off any kush or purple strain indoors! :)

Oh, and Heath Robinsons 8X8 1KW 4# grow doesn't count, yes it's efficient with light, but HORRIBLE for the space it consumes. Most people can get more yield out of the same space with more lighting.
 
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DHF

Heehee Lazyman........Heathie`s shit`s different , and yeah there might be better useage of sq ftg for similar results with dialed setups.......but........gotta luv the yields.......

I still question Doubled`s numbers cuz I`ve seen big plants most of my life , and nobody that`s duplicated his setup has run beyond 2.5 lbs per plant that I know of so I`m just sayin..........science of repeatability comes in ta play.....not sayin he didn`t do it.....but I digress.........

Soquick`s setup`s were well dialed and yielded accordingly.......He and Krusty never saw eye to eye cuz SoQuick used such high plant numbers......

Can`t forget Krusty`s 33.5 lb setup with 10KW & 10 plants that was the original cheese the rats were chasin for yrs with couple weeks veg and then flipped....Strainrelated as in BC Big Bud in Krusty`s corner , and Doubled`s famed old school G-13.......but.........how long did DD`s veg for to get 4 lb plants...........regardless.....it`s all relative and strain related IME.......

As Lazy also said bout vertical SOG`s , the most I ever pulled was with a variation of Heath`s vertical angled racks.......98 ozs from 3-600`s on top of each other usin 4 plants on 4 walls on 4 levels.......also harvey`ed the exact same amount within an oz or 2 from 4 different locations 4 1/2-5 weeks apart for the following 4 1/2-5 months before shutdown last yr , so proof was in the puddin.........

I`d haveta say vertical bare bulbs on top of each other with plants on all 4 sides of the rooms would be the most productive gpw`s wise , since I never pulled more with less sq ftg.......

Peace......DHF.........:ying:.........
 
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