6' x 9' room and $5000 what would you do?

[Tolkin Bowls]

As the title says I am designing a new room it is 6' x 9'. I have a budget of $5000. In this room I need to fit the flower and veg area. I know how I want to use the money but, I would love to hear how others would use the money. They main stipulation when helping me design is a Hydro system, as this is where the bulk of my experience is. Also I plan on using 2 x 600 watts for the flower portion but, I am open to other ideas.

I look forward to hearing your suggestions. Thank you for any and all help.

Peace



Edit 10/3 I decided to add my plans for the room to the OP so that you guys had an idea on where I was headed



What I have been planning on right now is.

Recirculating DWC 8 x 5 gallon with a auto topping res hooked up to ro.

2 SS2 reflectors with 600w quantum ballasts and USHIO lamps over a 4' x 7' flowering area

6" vortex to cool the lights

I am planing on sealing the room so I am going to get a CO2 generator. I am leaning towards a Sentinel. I have never used a generator before only bottled Co2 so any help here would be great.

I plan getting an all in one environmental controller such as the Xtreme Greenhouse Controller from C.A.P.

I need an AC not sure what size though

I was planning on using a 4" or 6" vortex to vent the room if the humidity got to high. Do you think I need a Dehumidifier?

T5's for the veg / mother area. Using a 2' x 6' space

I was thinking a small ebb and flow table for vegging

6" vortex on a scrubber for odor control.

 

[odium33]

2000 watts over a 4x8, find more space for veg!

 

[cannaboy]

Get a tent for mom's/clones and get the BEST setup possible!

 

[Cutty]

2000 watts over a 4x8, find more space for veg!

 

[bobblehead]

lol... $5k? I wish I had your budget... Since you have the cash, I would get 5 600w digital ballaste, and hang them vertically down the center of the room. Here they are for $170 shipped.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...f4b16a7&itemid=170474818444&ff4=263602_263622
You'll still need lamp cords and 600w USHIO lamps to accompany them. That's all gonna run you about $1,500. Then I would go to HTG-Supply.com, and get their 8" fan/scrubber combo for less than $300 shipped. Buy an intake fan while you're there, and some ducting. HTG has cheap panda film too. Anyway, that's where I would start... The rest depends on plant numbers I suppose...

I just went back and read that you want to do both Veg and Flower in one space. If that's the case, I'd buy some DPDT relays, and flip 2-3 600's back and forth. Add fluorescent lights to the room you want to veg in. When one pod finishes up, just move the fluorescent lamps to the recently emptied room, and flower out the vegged pod.

 

[Tolkin Bowls]

What I have been planning on right now is.

Recirculating DWC 8 x 5 gallon with a auto topping res hooked up to ro.

2 SS2 reflectors with 600w quantum ballasts and USHIO lamps over a 4' x 7' flowering area

6" vortex to cool the lights

I am planing on sealing the room so I am going to get a CO2 generator. I am leaning towards a Sentinel. I have never used a generator before only bottled Co2 so any help here would be great.

I plan getting an all in one environmental controller such as the Xtreme Greenhouse Controller from C.A.P.

I need an AC not sure what size though

I was planning on using a 4" or 6" vortex to vent the room if the humidity got to high. Do you think I need a Dehumidifier?

T5's for the veg / mother area. Using a 2' x 6' space

I was thinking a small ebb and flow table for vegging

6" vortex on a scrubber for odor control.

I think I will add this to my OP for convenience

 

[mg75]

I would get a mini split AC. CO2 generator. Dehumidifier. Seal everything. Once you get your environment right, the lights, hydro method etc is easy.

The stronger the AC, the more lights you can do (better coverage/yields). Bare bulbs. Vertical. No hoods. No in/out vents.

For veg... i would use 400watt CMH.

Personally... getting your ventilation/HVAC sorted is the number one most important aspect of a grow room.

 

[ThePizzaMan]

Don't forget room for clones and cloning. AT least a 2X2 section with a shop light. I would not recommend spending $5000 on this grow first time around. Make it work for you. If you go CGE...When all is said and done...it may cost you more than $5000.

I would go with what the posters mentioned above... 2 4X4 ebb and flood trays. 2 1watt lights...proper ventilation...and most of all....a hell of alot of clones and moms.

This will cost you half of what you originally wanted to spend...and with the money you make on your first few runs...you can upgrade as you see fit.

 

[odium33]

i would stick with the bottles of CO2 instead of a burner, lots of excess heat. I use bottles in my 4k room, and a burner in the 8k room, because its in the basement, its big, and with an AC and keeps cool enough to handle burner

 

[humble1]

IDK if this room is all the space you have available or if equipment can be put outside the room. It would be optimal if you could put your ballasts and other large equipment outside to maximize your space for flowering. If so, I would partition the room into a 6x6 flower room and a 3x6 veg/baby room. A 6x6 flower room could fit 4x 600 watt HPS and your veg/baby room could fit another 600 watt light or a 400 watt light on a mover plus an ez-cloner under fluoros. I second the bottled CO2 for heat and humidity reasons, but refilling bottles is a bitch. If you're going CO2 generator stylee I recommend that you also pick up a water cooler and get the water-cooled type generator. That and a 1.5 - 2 ton AC should blow your whole wad.

 

[chongsbuddy]

2 1000'S,MAKE YOUR OWN FLOOD TABLES 4 BY 9 FEET.then you have 2 by 9 feet to walk around in.in a room that sized i would use a co2 tank,a generator is too much with too much heat.buy 2 1000 watt hps with air cooled hoods,a good dehumidifier,a co2 meter,controller.,ventless ac andyou should be goiod to go.you still need a small veg chamber and a place to keep clones.hey humble1,i have a 4 by 10 veg chamber and a 4 by 10 flower chamber side by side.the whole area is 10 by 8 feet.i would not do it the way you say,its just too hard to work around and in your plants.the way i suggested the plants will be waist high and you still have a 2 foot by 9 foot area to work around in,trust me it makes a big difference.that way you still have room for dehumidifier,fans,co2 bottle etc.2 1000 watt lights only require 12000 btu's.a window banger would do it.i am building a 8 by 8 foot closed room right now with 3 1000's,16000 btu window shaker that i use inside my house,it cools and recuirculates the air inside the growroom,but exhausts right into my house which is good because it pushesd out hot air which keeps my hydro bill down because i use less to heat my small house,so instead of wasting hot air by blowing it into the wintr air i just pump it into my home.

 

[bobblehead]

lava rock? lol...

 

[TokeD]

I'd say go with 4 (400w switchable ballast) sealed air cooled hoods, thous would provide a larger light footprint compared to 2, 1k hps. Your room should be sealed, run a good soil with airpots or smartpots, i'd advise a 6'' duct minimum for this room, somewhere around 750cfm would be appropriate. Bottle C02 to avoid any heat, its a small room you can really control it well with a bottle. if you want to go cap extreme, by all means get it now, its a wonderful little box. a carbon filter and separate fan would be ideal, nothing huge though, maybe a can 100..and a 4'' inline with variable speed controller for odor control lower cfm sucking from a carbon filter is a little more efficient. I'd suggest a portable ac/dehumidifier combo unit its aprox 2500btu to 1k hps, so i'd suggest you use a 6000-8000 btu unit that has single exhaust, again purpose is for climate control in a sealed room. obviously some oscillating fans for air movement.
2 mil mylar, gh micro and bloom, cal-mag if you need it and koolbloom liquid bloom boster running "the recipe" by rezdog cant go wrong with this nute mix. Rubbermaid for your reservoir and submersible pump to recirculate the batch and stir and gravity feed and also to run your watering wand for feedings. hanna tri meter with calibration/storage solutions. this should easily put up 2.5lbs per harvest, 3 if you dial it in, and with the xgc1 you'd be just fine in that department.
good luck, keep us posted. try to always have extra funds stashed for emergency pest issues or other disasters that may arise.

 

[chongsbuddy]

the simple fact is that you wont pull yield off multiple 400's 0r 600's equal to 1000's,by that i mean you could run 5 400 watters and use more space and wont yield what 2 1000 watt hps's will(i have talked to many experienced growers on this,and they swear its true).that is a fact.lless space,more light.

 

[halitzor]

How about this? 6x6 flower room with 4 plants in 4 buckets. You only need to veg about 3 to 4 weeks in DWC to get tree's, I've done it my last 3 grows.

Put 4x 600's in there, one over each bucket and air cool them in a U shape sealed from the room. You can get 600w digital ballasts for pretty cheap, htgsupply.com - shipping is cheaper on their site if you can find the item you want for some items arent listed on the site, just ebay.

 

[TrueGangsta148]

sounds very close to my space. i have an area about 5-6x9-10. I have an area thats 3'x7' tented off w/ panda, 2x 600w lights w/ aircooled hoods. this leaves a walkway around it. on the far side i have a bench about 4.5' wide and 2.5' deep. this is tented on 3 sides w/ panda, a tt108 hanging in there veg. i was doing dirt, with mothers and clones and veg in gro bags and recently smart pots, but just finished building my new cloner/veg system. I'll have an RO system topping off a 30 gal water barrel, which will be chilled.

flowering will be 2x uc4's. I will have to put one of the epicenters outside the tent and pipe the lines trhough the panda, no big deal. I'll have a manifold running off of the water barrel that has cool coils in each flowering system as well as the veg system. This manifold will also connect to float valves in each system, so that they will always be topped off with chilled water.

This room is in a basement with uneven ghetto walls and floor joists for ceiling, so co2, especially a burner is out of the question. If i still had a co2 monitor and controller, i'd run it with tanks, but as is, the cost of those parts wouldnt pay for themselves with additional yield for a few grows, I like equiptment to pay for itself in 3 months or less.

 

[lokes]

IDK if this room is all the space you have available or if equipment can be put outside the room. It would be optimal if you could put your ballasts and other large equipment outside to maximize your space for flowering. If so, I would partition the room into a 6x6 flower room and a 3x6 veg/baby room. A 6x6 flower room could fit 4x 600 watt HPS and your veg/baby room could fit another 600 watt light or a 400 watt light on a mover plus an ez-cloner under fluoros. I second the bottled CO2 for heat and humidity reasons, but refilling bottles is a bitch. If you're going CO2 generator stylee I recommend that you also pick up a water cooler and get the water-cooled type generator. That and a 1.5 - 2 ton AC should blow your whole wad.

WORD! : (Humble knows his shit) Some other good ideas here too, but I like Humbles for the simplicity, and rooms and locations change and morph. This is very flexible. Not down with EZ cloners, but I'm old school.

 

[_Dude]

If all I had was 6x9 I definitely wouldn't waste space by partitioning veg space. I'd think of it as two stories, with the lower 5' containing my flower space, and the upper 3' containing my veg. Use 2x4s to build a frame to support the 2nd story.

Actually, probably better to use the top story for flower so you could put your reservoirs on the bottom story, beside your veg area. In a 6x9 space I'd say go with 3 1Ks, maybe? It's an odd, small space and it really depends on the particulars like where the door is, whether it opens inward or outward, if there are windows for a window AC unit, bla bla bla. DWC might be a good choice, because you still have your floor, so you can squeeze yourself into a big canopy if you really have to get to the girls. I can walk on my E&F tables too but it's kind of weird, you know? So I always set them up with space on all 4 sides for me to get to them.

The vert idea ain't bad, but if you're asking how to set up a room you probably don't need to try vert yet. Never seen a vert setup less complicated than a flat one.

I'd definitely go with 2 1ks over a 4x7 area rather than 2 600s. Or 3 600s. Hell, 4 600s. If you go with 2 stories, you can squeeze your flower area into less vertical space if you use 600s since you can put them closer to the girls. Nothing wrong with really packing the lights in there if you have the cash, you know. It's just less efficient. But you will see bigger yields with more light, up to a point.

I'd also think real hard about a zero veg SOG. Then you could keep a 250 or 400 MH and a couple of fluoro tubes in a closet in another room and use the 6x9 space for flowering only.

Good luck with it, sorry if my advice is slipshod. I admit I didn't really read your post all the way through.

 

[sci-fi]

Funny. I got a 5k budget im about to go drop next week for new spot. I have a 18'x10' area though. going to partition two flower rooms next to each other. Each one will be 9'x5'.
drop 2k watts in each area on a flip-flop. going to run sog coco beds on a drip system. the remainder 18'x5' area will be for moms, clones, r/o tanks, ect. zero veg sog is a nice way to go if you dont mind big plant#'s.

 

[grow nerd]

I'd spend a bulk of that money in designing and planning around a sealed environment. It will pay you back quickly and reliably, and you'll thank yourself every day of operation. It does cost a little more up-front and on paper, but you'll easily get that back through crop performance, peace-of-mind, and overall design.