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Iron_Lion

has anyone tried Humboldt organic soil mix made by humboldt organic nutes?

here's a pic of the bag, link to website http://www.humboldtnutrients.com/soils/humboldtmix.html

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Clackamas Coot

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Given that they list nothing about what exactly is in this potting soil mix it would be difficult to say much.

If they're going by the reputation of their other products, you can peruse this list from WSDA and see that there just isn't much there to crow about. Click on each product and the ingredients that they contain are listed - good, bad or otherwise.

YMMV

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Clackamas Coot said:
Iron_Lion

Given that they list nothing about what exactly is in this potting soil mix it would be difficult to say much.



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good point CC, even a retail websites they dont list any contents of the mix. I am eager to get away from fox farm soil line because it just isnt performing like it used to but I dont really want to make my own soil. these nutrient companies are like snake oil salesman always trying to lure you in with a pretty picture on the bag.
 
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Iron_Lion said:
good point CC, even a retail websites they dont list any contents of the mix. I am eager to get away from fox farm soil line because it just isnt performing like it used to but I dont really want to make my own soil. these nutrient companies are like snake oil salesman always trying to lure you in with a pretty picture on the bag.
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Iron_Lion

See if these guys have a distributor near enough for you. I've met the young men who are behind this company and they process their own compost (organic - plant-based only) as well as operating a heated concrete floor earthworm operation.

I've used their soils, compost and EWC and they are definitely 'da kind' - unrivaled in the potting soil world. This is pretty much a 'water only soil' from my experience.

Click on the 'Distributors' button on the menu bar and see if there's a store that makes sense.

Not that it matters much but their company is based in Phoenix, Oregon down near the California border.

HTH

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In my opinion, it's also important to support companies that are doing things to help growers and not just make a fast buck based on marketing gimmicks. I would never buy a Humboldt or Advanced Nutrient product for this reason alone. What direction do we want the industry to go? Personally, I'd rather see more locally-derived and supported products, by companies that spend their time and money developing good products, rather than shiny labels or pictures with girls in bikinis (and I love girls in bikinis!). :)
 
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"plant penetrator"........talk about narrowing in on target groups by demographic and age. This takes the cake...never saw that particular product before. I didn't realize how far it's come,since I never even glance at that stuff when I happen to visit a grow shop once every two months or less to get some basic items. Wow..LOL!!
 
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milehighmedical said:
I still use Fox Farm soil after considering many alternatives. It's actually cheaper than making my own.
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How is this possible?

Iron Lion- I've used that Humboldt peat to make my lc mix since the hydro hut was selling it for 35 a bale to 'show it off', and the sunshine 4 was 40. It honestly seemed a little..i guess fluffier, and the perlite wasn't all tiny like in sunshine.
 
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milehighmedical said:
Well, using promix or sunshine as a base, a 3.8cf bale is usually around $50, which comes out to just a tiny bit over $7 per cubic foot (assuming it expands to 7 cf, which there is some argument about)

Now I get my Fox Farm soils for less than $10 per 1.5cf bag. Which comes out to just a little bit under $7 per cubic foot. So that's already a tiny bit cheaper, from the beginning.

Then with my MSM mix there's already enough EWC from the bagged soil, so I don't have to add it. That runs about $10-$15 per cubic foot, or if you live in a really crappy place it could go UP TO $35 per cubic foot.

Then, either way you add perilite and dolimite, which is relatively cheap either way, and doesn't really contribute or take away from the over all cost effectiveness of the recipe. I always get at least 30+ lbs of dolimite at a time, cheap. And the 3-4cf bags of perilite aren't too bad. But now that I think about it, I only need to use half as much dolomite in my mix.

Either way, I could build my own soil for a little bit more... or just go pick up a pallete of Fox Farm, and save a few bucks. I'm not opposed to building my own soil, it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Not to mention, after all is said and done there's a bunch of random amendments (bat guano, oyster shell, myco, etc) that come with for free. As opposed to spending a fat bundle on getting all those for my own mix.

Note: I do completely realize most people pay an outrageous amount for Fox Farm soils. Either way, I save a few hundred bucks a year.
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now that's some good esplainin' man! :tiphat:...yes ff is a ripoff around here sometimes, and a lot of people would be better off making their own.ideally i want to get to the point where i use mostly free compost as a base...but for now i'm stuck with peat moss bales. i see ff for 13-15 per 1.5 cu ft. and 3.8 bales for 35 like i said. but i'm sure with that mix you must not need much else but water..
 
Clackamas Coot

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FFOF is $15.00 in the Portland area.

Sunshine Mix (#1 thru #4) runs $25.00 for 3.8 c.f. and the organic mixes from Sunshine (Sunshine Organic Growers Mix) runs about $19.00 for 2.8 c.f.

Couple that with high-quality thermal compost from Marwest/GroundUp @ $8.00 per 1.5 c.f. and some minerals, seed meals perhaps and you're pretty much ready.

Given the quality control issues with FFOF it's a no-brainer on which way to go as far as potting soil.

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The older women students did not appreciate wet betty

The older women students did not appreciate wet betty

Clackamas Coot said:
Then again an upskirt crotch shot is always interesting![/IMG]
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I totally got blasted for having a bottle on display in class. They thought it was a little too much. Gotta respect that. But betty is hot...
 
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Yeah, I have seen results in that media.

Yeah, I have seen results in that media.

Iron_Lion said:
has anyone tried Humboldt organic soil mix made by humboldt organic nutes?
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What caught my attention is that they claim it to be "fecal coliform free". The media seemed to have issues with pH stability. Good results, not great. In term of aggregates and structure it could be more diverse

Adding to an earlier post: the perlite is a nice mix of sizes.

It does seem like a glorified sunshine.

So what do the folks here prefer? FFOF, Happy Frog, Roots, Sunshine, Promix...?
 
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What caught my attention is that they claim it to be "fecal coliform free". The media seemed to have issues with pH stability. Good results, not great. In term of aggregates and structure it could be more diverse

Adding to an earlier post: the perlite is a nice mix of sizes.

It does seem like a glorified sunshine.

So what do the folks here prefer? FFOF, Happy Frog, Roots, Sunshine, Promix...?
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They're own.
 
Clackamas Coot

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Matt Rize said:
So what do the folks here prefer? FFOF, Happy Frog, Roots, Sunshine, Promix...?
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Sunshine Mixes (Sun Gro Horticulture) and Pro-Mix (Premier Horticulture) are not potting soils nor do the manufacturer's claim that.

They're simply bases which can be used to create a living viable soil but these base mixes are not necessary, i.e. mix your own by buying the specific ingredients that one feels will give the best result.

All they contain is some combination of peat moss and/or coir, some aeration amendments which can contain any or all of the following: perlite, pumice and vermiculite. Usually they're pH adjusted either using dolomite lime, limestone or gypsum - depends on the specific product.

On the higher-end products there will be some kind of a wetting agent - most often some form of yucca extract.

Class dismissed.

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