I was just wondering how someone would rationalize one versus the other.
Pure curiosity.
As I prefaced my comments as off-topic, but they're not that far off.
A life is a life is a life...correct?
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Is eating meat like playing russian roulette
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I was just wondering how someone would rationalize one versus the other.
Pure curiosity.
As I prefaced my comments as off-topic, but they're not that far off.
A life is a life is a life...correct?
Vegetables are an issue too. I am in the process of switching to organic. It will take a while to flush out the pantry, but my wife and I decided it's the best choice for our kids and ourselves. Food Inc. is a great movie BTW.
yeah i dont really see much of a link between the two tbh. the decision whether to have an abortion is a very complicated personal one that will influence the rest of your whole life. all kind of things may be involved - rape, congenital defects, age. its a decision one couldnt really make until forced to do so (and being a man it wouldnt be so much my decision anyway)
the decision whether to eat meat is easy for me. i dont need to kill that animal or cause it suffering to eat because i can eat something else instead - liking the taste is something i cant reconcile killing for.
if, however, it were a case of eat the animal or starve then i would happily cook it up and probably enjoy it.
VG
I only react badly to militant vegetarians who push pseudoscientific nonsense to support their choice and condemn mine.
I was a vegetarian for a couple of years, then went back to fish, then ate a chicken sandwich one day, beef soon followed. I have had lots of friends who have been vegetarians. I enjoy the company of vegetarians... as long as they don't make derogatory comments or otherwise look down their nose at me while I'm eating a nice grass fed locally raised beef fillet.
I'll support anyone's right to make their own dietary choices, as long as they don't attempt to proselytize me.
The debate with hormoned chicken, organic food, etc is mainly based on emotions. It just "feels" wrong to inject a chicken with something to make it bigger, especially because big corps do it and we have a very negative stigma about big corps.
I suggest reading the literature and deciding for yourself whether eating meat is bad for you or not. There's no evidence that organic fruits and vegetables are better in any way for you than non-organic for instance. Most people can't even tell the difference in taste in a blind taste test because organics tasting better is placebo.
So what if they condense nutrition down to a few pills?
I suggest reading the literature and deciding for yourself whether eating meat is bad for you or not. There's no evidence that organic fruits and vegetables are better in any way for you than non-organic for instance. Most people can't even tell the difference in taste in a blind taste test because organics tasting better is placebo.
So what if they condense nutrition down to a few pills?
I have a hypothetical for verdant... or anyone.
Would you rather eat factory farm GMO veggies or eat local organic beef?
Would you rather eat factory farm GMO veggies or eat local organic beef?
Humans can eat raw mean. You can order raw mean in some restaurants (most won't permit it due to liabilities) and you can order your meet "bloody" in most restaurants. The Japanese eat raw horse meat (called "Basashi.")
The only reason we don't is because we're afraid of getting sick. Carnivores that eat diseased meat usually die, and most have a very resilient immune system capable of handling most bloodborne diseases in the diet of their local region.
But comparing humans to animals is a moot argument. It doesn't mean much. It's like saying Cannabis is safe because it's natural. Sure it's safe, but not because it's natural.
The only reason we don't is because we're afraid of getting sick. Carnivores that eat diseased meat usually die, and most have a very resilient immune system capable of handling most bloodborne diseases in the diet of their local region.
But comparing humans to animals is a moot argument. It doesn't mean much. It's like saying Cannabis is safe because it's natural. Sure it's safe, but not because it's natural.
Agreed.
There are many issues that factor into someone's personal decision-making where abortion is involved.
Even though it may not be for me or mine, I'm all about Pro-choice.
I guess I take issue with those that use it as a method of birth-control as opposed to using some forethought on the issue.At that point it just seems plain old selfish to me.
At any rate, thanks for entertaining my question
sac beh
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Nice, H3ad.
Well, making certain assumptions about the choices, and assuming its an either/or for my survival, I would choose the local organic beef.
I was a strict vegetarian for 8 years, for a multitude of reasons. But never was one of my reasons an outright rejection of meat-eating for myself or others. I tended to avoid all the potentially argumentative conversations about my vegetarianism and definitely did not care for those who made others feel bad about their eating choices. I unfortunately influenced a friend to become vegetarian and he ended becoming a very destructive over-the-top advocate.
My arguments based on animal welfare do not, as of yet, discount the use of animals for consumption in circumstances..
hmm, good one
, the veggies i guess. GMO is a very broad term and not necessarily all bad (but thats another discussion altogether.)i grow a lot of my own organic veg - but in the supermarket i would choose local non-organic veg against organic that had been flown halfway round the world.
meat eating does have a place in the world, it is partly responsible for much of the beautiful rolling countryside in which i live - and i dont have nearly so much of a problem with properly reared stock that has has some life and freedom before it was slaughtered.
but the West's demand for cheap meat, beef in particular, has had and is having a very destructive influence on both the planet and the general health of westerners.
VG
I agree, the issue there is more that of the western lifestyle of "obese is the new average" indulgence, than with integrating meats into a healthy diet and responsible lifestyle.
It's what's for dinner!
It's what's for dinner!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqah1rucyRg&feature=related
It's what's for dinner!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqah1rucyRg&feature=related
agreed. it's a bigger issue than just meat. its about lifestyle, processed food, too much refined sugar and carbohydrate. sloth and greed, bad education etc etc.
on the other hand, when i read folks earlier in the thread saying that veggies look pale and sickly, i was tempted to retort with something along the lines of 'at least we're not a bunch of huge tubbers'
but that would have been less than constructive so i refrained from that generalisation.
VG
hey bobby - that looks a bit gritty - did you drop it on the floor
i should rinse it under the tap before you cook it mate
cheers
VG
i should rinse it under the tap before you cook it mate
cheers
VG
LOL!
Floor meat is the best!
Floor meat is the best!
who cares in 30 years cancer we will be able to cancer out like indigestion, and in 20 years we can built robot bodies, and in 10 years we can grow all new organs. science wins.
Bill Clinton shared this bit of info recently, or atleast I think recently
"So I did all this research and it says that 82% of the people since 1986 who have gone on a plant-based, no dairy, no meat of any kind -- I eat very little fish -- 82% of the people who have done that have begun to heal themselves. Their arterial blockage cleans up, the calcium deposit around their heart breaks up.
This movement has been led by Doctor Caldwell B. Esselstyn at the Cleveland, Dean Ornish out in California, the doctors Campbell, father and son who wrote The China Study, and a handful of others. But we now have 25 years of evidence. So I thought... I'll become part of this experiment. I'll see if I can become one of those who can have a self-clearing mechanism." Quoted from Bill Clinton
"So I did all this research and it says that 82% of the people since 1986 who have gone on a plant-based, no dairy, no meat of any kind -- I eat very little fish -- 82% of the people who have done that have begun to heal themselves. Their arterial blockage cleans up, the calcium deposit around their heart breaks up.
This movement has been led by Doctor Caldwell B. Esselstyn at the Cleveland, Dean Ornish out in California, the doctors Campbell, father and son who wrote The China Study, and a handful of others. But we now have 25 years of evidence. So I thought... I'll become part of this experiment. I'll see if I can become one of those who can have a self-clearing mechanism." Quoted from Bill Clinton
Organic Beef. Though, it can be difficult to find non-GMO veggies...
More than just health.
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