Hash Oil for oral meds???

[LAcon]

Do you guys think one would get the same effect from ingesting straight decarboxylated hash oil in a capsule, as ingesting that much hash oil dissolved in a fat, like coconut oil or ghee etc... Does the fat increase absorption or anything? Ive decarboxylated some hash oil and put in a capsule and have very strong effects, just wondering if fat would make a difference? Thanks to everyone on here, I don't post ever, but read a lot, all the info has helped a lot.


Just wanted to add a graph of THC content during decarboxylation at varying time and temps. I got it from someones reply on here but never see this info out on the forums or anywhere else and it has really helped me and is KEY for making active oral meds which have helped me a lot. Lets see if I can post this img right the first time

THANKS EVERYONE!!!!

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[Haps]

That chart refers to decarbing an extract, not the weed itself, my question is, would it be the same or not? It is conceivable there might be a difference.

Your question, try it both ways and tell us, hehe.

 

[LAcon]

Sorry I know it was kinda confusing but that chart I put in there had nothing to do with my question, I just thought it was useful in the cooking section because it can be applied to making all edibles and has help me with making my oral meds, but I have only found that graph in one reply deeeep in another section's thread so I just wanted to make it more readily available. Onto my original question for the thread:

Is fat necessary for gastric absorption of cannabis oils?? I've tried digesting decarb'ed hash oil without fats mixed in capsules and get good results, but want to know if fats mixed with the oils will increase absorption and overall effect?

Another thought that has came to mind since posting the thread is if the capsule is taken while eating any foods containing fat this will release amino acids, enzymes etc... to break down fat soluble substances, which will break down and absorb the cannabis oils. Right?

Any input much appreciated!

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[Haps]

Yes you are right, I think, eating with your edibles seems to help. Digestion is the key, and why some do not get off well, our digestive systems work differently. I use mostly cannamilk because it is easy for me to digest.

 

[JRace]

when THC binds to fat or alcohol it increases the absorption efficiency.

For reference, I make 2 strengths of capsules using (mid grade) hash oil mixed with coconut oil (and decarbed for 30min) then mixed with cornstarch (to make it a powder which is a lot easier to work with).

Regular strength - 1.2grams/24pills = 0.05grams per pill
Extra Strength - 2.0grams/24pills = 0.083grams per pill.

As you can see, both contain very small amount of hash-oil per pill. I myself am unable to take the extras, as I have a low-tolerance for edibles, yet I can smoke it all day. Others take the extra and report feeling really high for 4-6hrs.

 

[sudsandbuds]

so how do you go about decarboxylation and where can i get empty capsules to put the oil into? and what way do you use to make the oil, i do the iso method
thanks

 

[JRace]

so how do you go about decarboxylation

I put the Hash oil/Coconut oil in a galss jar with the lid on tight. I place the glass jar in a pot of low-boiling water for 30-min.

and where can i get empty capsules to put the oil into?

I get them at my local health food store.

and what way do you use to make the oil, i do the iso method
thanks

I also do the iso method, and I also use un-pressed hash powder if I have no Iso availble.

I started by ordering the kit from www.cannabrex.com and then tweaking it to suit my needs.

Basically you can get everything you need (minus the good stuff) from a health-food store.

 

[LAcon]

Thanks for the input, I am going to try it with some fats mixed in

 

[JRace]

Let us know what you discover.
I recommend coconut oil as it has a long shelf life, no need to refrigerate and contains no lactose.

 

[joe4444]

JRace, according to the chart it's possible to degrade THC if heated at high temps for too long. Do you monitor the oil temperature while decarboxylating? Even though I had great success with coconut oil recently I'd like to hone my cooking skills further. Learning the science behind all this is fun, too. My evidence is definitely anecdotal, but here it is. Bring coconut oil to 300F, reduce heat to low, add powdered/pulverized herb (sizzle sizzle!), stir for 4-5 minutes. Next adds a pretty big variable. I used the oil in a brownie recipe, which effectively added another 15 minutes @ 325F while the brownies baked. Anyway, the result was excellent, but based on that chart I may have used too much heat for too long...? Nonetheless the brownies were very potent, literally 1 bite per dose for 5-6 hours of fun. Still, I'd like to increase potency further if possible because those were approximately 1/2 tsp (or 2.5ml) coconut oil per dose. My next experiment will be using the coconut oil in pills, but a 2.5ml gel cap seems quite large. How big are yours?

Wow, I just read the cannabrex website instructions. Thorough! Is that a 1ml dropper included in the kit? Surely they are not suggesting a ratio of roughly 1.0g bud to 1.0ml oil. That's 25X the concentration of my coconut oil, which was pretty damn strong. If that's really the strength then I need to order this kit.

 

[LAcon]

So I added an equal part of coconut oil to the hash oil and lightly warmed and mixed it, capped some pills at .6 g's, so .3 g's of the cannabis extract in each. Now I have a high tolerance and took 3 of them so almost a gram of hash oil and felt had much stronger affects and quicker onset from the added fats. Also lasted longer. Conclusion, ADD FATS TO CANNABIS FOR GASTRIC ABSORPTION.

Joe4444 - I believe that is definitely too much heat if you consider the heat and time you cooked the herb in the oil and also the time cooked in the oven with the brownies. I used to do techniques like this and as you said, you do get results but they will be much stronger if you develop techniques of decarbing based on the time/temps on that chart. It has helped me a lot and why I put it up. I think the cannabrexx kit is a waste you can get everything at the store cheaper and I would recommend using hash oil or some sort of extract for it, not just powdered bud.

 

[eloquentsoution]

anytime you encasulate you will increase the time of uptake. straight oil is quicker. sublingual, quicker yet. make it into holy anointing oil for quickest uptake. i always use coconut oil for three reasons. 1) it passes the blood/brain barrier 2) it is the most like our own oils molecularly of all vegetable oils 3) it tastes good. in brief, it helps get you meds to your brain and to your body. what more would you want besides someone licking it off. oh yea, it tastes good too!

try HAO!

also it is never good to heat cannabis above 200 in general. that is why i inject. but fear not. i am certain the center temp was much lower and the vaporized cannabinoids will likely be reabsorbed into the produst except on the outside edges. I was a professional baker for awhile years ago. still, i have overdosed too many people so now i do not bake with it.

edit: i decarboxilate to the end for night meds. increases cbn's to aid in sleep.

 

[joe4444]

So I added an equal part of coconut oil to the hash oil and lightly warmed and mixed it, capped some pills at .6 g's, so .3 g's of the cannabis extract in each. Now I have a high tolerance and took 3 of them so almost a gram of hash oil and felt had much stronger affects and quicker onset from the added fats. Also lasted longer. Conclusion, ADD FATS TO CANNABIS FOR GASTRIC ABSORPTION.

LAcon, I'm always interested in experimenting and refining my recipe to increase potency. However, I can't help but think that my last brownie batch was extremely potent. To expand on my previous post, I started with approximately 6.0g of very high quality (but not homegrown) buds. Because I just bought a new hash screen I dry sifted the bud and got about 0.5g kief, which was not used in the oil.

The remaining ~5.5g of de-kief'd bud was broken down further by hand and sifted again, this time with a basic flour sifter. I repeated this step a few times until the end product was almost powdered (I don't have a coffee grinder). This also allowed me to catch a lot of "mini stems" that would have otherwise ended up in the mix. The bottom line is that I ended up with about 5.0g of de-kief'd, de-stemmed nearly powdered bud. Then...

Bring coconut oil to 300F, reduce heat to low, add powdered/pulverized herb (sizzle sizzle!), stir for 4-5 minutes...another 15 minutes @ 325F while the brownies baked.

The final batch of brownies contained just 5.0g of bud -- not highly concentrated hash oil -- and yielded 24 brownies. To make it easier to measure each "dose" I used a mini muffin pan. I only ate a whole brownie on 2 separate occasions because I got a little too stoned and did not thoroughly enjoy the experience. One-half brownie was just right for a 4-6 hour pleasant high, which make 48 "doses" overall.

That means each "dose" had only about 0.1g bud (again, not extra potent hash oil). Compared to many other reports these things had a lot less bud. It took me more than 3 weeks to eat the whole batch. I ate just 1/2 brownie once per day, sometimes twice if work really sucked, and gave away 6-8 whole brownies.

So how is it that many other people are using 3X the bud, sometimes more, per dose? Am I just a lightweight? Maybe it's just too subjective. Some people are going for the super stoned feeling whereas I'm just trying to replicate a good high without taking a few rips off a lung-busting bong.

Thoughts?

Joe4444 - I believe that is definitely too much heat if you consider the heat and time you cooked the herb in the oil and also the time cooked in the oven with the brownies. I used to do techniques like this and as you said, you do get results but they will be much stronger if you develop techniques of decarbing based on the time/temps on that chart. It has helped me a lot and why I put it up. I think the cannabrexx kit is a waste you can get everything at the store cheaper and I would recommend using hash oil or some sort of extract for it, not just powdered bud.

Does this mean I could have taken the coconut oil after just 5 minutes @ 300F and made gel caps with it, and they would have been even more potent? I'm planning an experiment to test that theory (various temperatures, various cooking times) but have not yet been able to acquire more of the most important ingredient.

What is your ideal temperature/time mix? That chart makes it look like 25 minutes @ 250F would allow for a good bit of error without sacrificing too much potency...and without taking too long.

 

[joe4444]

anytime you encasulate you will increase the time of uptake. straight oil is quicker. sublingual, quicker yet. make it into holy anointing oil for quickest uptake. i always use coconut oil for three reasons. 1) it passes the blood/brain barrier 2) it is the most like our own oils molecularly of all vegetable oils 3) it tastes good. in brief, it helps get you meds to your brain and to your body. what more would you want besides someone licking it off. oh yea, it tastes good too!

eloquentsoution, I fully agree with all those points. My best results have been with coconut oil. In theory the convenience of caps is worth waiting a bit longer for onset (for me anyway), but so far my only experience with edibles is brownies and straight butter on toast.

also it is never good to heat cannabis above 200 in general. that is why i inject. but fear not. i am certain the center temp was much lower and the vaporized cannabinoids will likely be reabsorbed into the produst except on the outside edges. I was a professional baker for awhile years ago. still, i have overdosed too many people so now i do not bake with it.

edit: i decarboxilate to the end for night meds. increases cbn's to aid in sleep.

I'm afraid I lost you after "above 200" here. I've read that it's possible to decarboxylate as low as 180-200F, but some people claim just 15 minutes is all it takes while others say 8 hours or more. What is your usual recipe?

Inject? Center temp? Reabsorbed except on the outside edges? Decarb to the end?

Could you please elaborate? Thanks!