clone issues. been a month with no roots!!!

[captinknots]

man i have problems everywhere!! lol not funny actually....

my clones have been in my aero cloner (diy) for a months, like literally.

im not asking for clone advice, i know the parameters. i think my problem was that they were in a cooler environment. mid 60s to low 70s.
anyway, i moved my cloning op inside in my closet (was in the garage).

The problem is i need to keep these suckers alive till they root regardless! important strain i cant lose.

they are starting to yellow pretty bad at the moment with still zero sign of roots.

My question is, should i spray with some nutes to make sure they stay alive???

i was thinking about spraying them with a tiny bit of fish emulsion and kelp extract.

what do you think?

 

[guineapig]

I think you are right about the importance of temperature, especially in the root-zone for cloning.....

I don't know any other way out of this situation......it is just not practical to keep clones for months that won't root......i know you don't want to give up so maybe a miracle will happen.....

I think your clones technically are "alive" if they are still green and not brown and wilted.....they have the potential to sprout roots, but after a month the chances of the roots suddenly appearing decline dramatically.....

I would be interested to know about how long clones can go before they sprout roots, like what the world-record is.....I thought 20 days was the record, but maybe 30 or 40 or even 50????

kind regards from guineapig

 

[captinknots]

im not strapped for clone space so thats a plus. there is only 7 of this strain that i will keep going till they die or root. i have room for hella more. plus i could always walmart clone future cuts if i run out of space.

was really looking for advice on the spraying of the clones with fish emulsion and kelp to help them keep longer. they are still green and un wilted, but the green is going and once it starts, its goes fast. just trying to avoid them going down. shit id imagine you could keep a plant alive indefinitely if you keep foliar feeding her.... i guess we'll see! lol

 

[NSPB]

Okay...for your cloning.

I'm certain you did use / "soak" them in a quality rooting hormone first.

Make sure your temperatures are PERFECT. This is soooo important. Cold water won't get you roots. Water that is too hot will create an environment for bacteria (unwanted) to thrive. This is a "Goldy Locks" type of situation that you want to have JUST RIGHT. Especially with an aero cloner or similar.

You SHOULD add a very little amount of organic tea or bottled nutrient to your reservoir for cloning. I've always found my results to be MUCH better. Figure if the plant is going to get roots, well, better to have food ready and waiting for them. Think along the same way of a light substrate mixed for just seedlings or freshly rooted clones.

I've TRIED to do a foliar feeding on young clones to keep them around and help them live, but I honestly have to say I got more burns and deaths that way than I did just letting them dry up and die on their own...hahaha. But I know others have had success in doing so...

Maybe ask some of the guys in the organic hydro forums...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=70

Maybe they can help you out faster on this one!



NSPB

 

[Zen Master]

temperatures.


plain and simple. If you fix your temps you'll finally get roots. 60 is wayyyy too low, you need 80 degrees 24/7.

you dont need to be giving them food regularly, however if its been a month and they've had straight R/O water they could use a LITTLE something.


fix your temps and you'll get roots within 2 weeks. 60 degree temps will practically halt your rooting. even if it just drops that low at night only.


get a reservoir heater from Wal Mart (aquarium section) for <$10 and you're set

 

[captinknots]

Okay...for your cloning.

I'm certain you did use / "soak" them in a quality rooting hormone first.

Make sure your temperatures are PERFECT. This is soooo important. Cold water won't get you roots. Water that is too hot will create an environment for bacteria (unwanted) to thrive. This is a "Goldy Locks" type of situation that you want to have JUST RIGHT. Especially with an aero cloner or similar.

You SHOULD add a very little amount of organic tea or bottled nutrient to your reservoir for cloning. I've always found my results to be MUCH better. Figure if the plant is going to get roots, well, better to have food ready and waiting for them. Think along the same way of a light substrate mixed for just seedlings or freshly rooted clones.

I've TRIED to do a foliar feeding on young clones to keep them around and help them live, but I honestly have to say I got more burns and deaths that way than I did just letting them dry up and die on their own...hahaha. But I know others have had success in doing so...

Maybe ask some of the guys in the organic hydro forums...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=70

Maybe they can help you out faster on this one!



NSPB

Thanks N. in the past, id use the rooting hormone, but it just washes right off in the aero cloner. besides, i never saw an increase of roots when i used it vs not using it... but in this case, i think ill pull em and let em chill for a minute in some root tech. (side note: i let some sit in that root tech for 30 minutes and they were dead in 2 days! just dip em for a minute no more 0.02)

i gave my clones a super low dose of fish emulsion and dry kelp as a foliar spray. they seem fine 12 hours later.

in the res i just started using botanicare liquid compost starter. its supposed to stop fungus from forming, it eats it, totally organic, derived from chicken litter or manure, not sure. Is this the same benefit you expect to get from the aact?

 

[captinknots]

temperatures.


plain and simple. If you fix your temps you'll finally get roots. 60 is wayyyy too low, you need 80 degrees 24/7.

you dont need to be giving them food regularly, however if its been a month and they've had straight R/O water they could use a LITTLE something.


fix your temps and you'll get roots within 2 weeks. 60 degree temps will practically halt your rooting. even if it just drops that low at night only.


get a reservoir heater from Wal Mart (aquarium section) for <$10 and you're set

thanks man, thats what im hoping for! i just need these babies to last long enough and have enough energy to produce the roots. ya know?
my temps are from 77,78 to 82 max never outside that range anymore. hope that does the trick!

thanks for your input!

hey, do you aero clone? just curious...

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

Usually when clones are yellowing, it's because they're trying to grow, and if they're trying to grow, that means the light is too strong. Low light is one of the main ingredients to fast rooting, as well as keeping them green until they root.

 

[Talonted]

Why would you use rooting hormones in a aero unit NSPB? I was told that you skip that crap when using a aero bucket. I would just add some Grozyme and/or SuperThrive to the Res and bring it inside. Change the Res once a week and PH it to 6.0. Also try bringing your water level a bit higher so it takes longer for any unwanted temp spikes!

 

[captinknots]

how low? they are under a dual floro set up. like 8 inches from the light. i could move em farther i supposed. your saying they just need to be in a lit room, not under a light?

 

[captinknots]

Good advice T, i did and i am!

 

[NSPB]

You know...I just always use a rooting hormone. Part of the reason I used the term "soak", is because when using such open devices, I figure letting it sit in the hormone for 10-15 minutes won't hurt. Sure it rinses right off, but maybe it matters. Even so, if it rinses off, then it is in the water too...lol.

In all aspects, it is said to be unnecessary. But I suppose I still do, because in my mind, it is part of the whole process. I guess that is my age showing...



NSPB

 

[enter sandman]

wow...a month is looong time for aero. My Daisy Cloner gives me roots in 4-6days average & ready to transplant in 8-10 days. BUT the pump keeps the water slightly warm in my case...just the right temp.


Also...I found that lightproofing my daisy greatly sped up rooting them than before...............

 

[captinknots]

do you use a rooting hormone? mine is pretty dark. i am going to move the light further away tho. and a month isnt normal for me. its usually 2 weeks to 18 days before they are ready to go, but then i also let them get more roots then most of you. im going to start putting them in soil once the roots are like an inch or two not 6! lol

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

Yeah, 8 inches is way too close. I just measured mine, which are to the side, not directly under a T5 fixture. They're about 16-24 inches away. Just remember with water rooting systems to pot into a soilmix with little, or no nutrients and plenty of perlite or something to make it airy and light.

 

[SecretGardener]

Take them out of the evil contraption you have and fill up some solo cups with amended soil. Then take a paper clip and straighten it out, use it to make a hole in the soil where the clone will go. Put your clones in the soil and let em be. Garunteed worry free sucess

 

[guest2012y]

I use these...they are called Oasis cubes. I just sit them in a bed of perlite and vermiculite in a closed closet/cab under 24 hour light that isn't too intense. Since I don't live in a desert,I don't need a dome...roots in 7 to 14 days. I use Olivia's hormone.

 

[captinknots]

those look super healthy cheese. do you do anything to your moms before cutting?
and SecretG, my cloner is not the issue, i have my cloner right next to clones in vermiculite, and both are in the same shape. it was the temps, im certain. ive had plenty of success with this cloner, but im trying the verm because i can use a rooting hormone without it getting washed off. im trying to compare. ill try your method, even tho no one does it that way, but it makes sense to me.
also i moved my lights (a dual 24w floro) 24inches away. instead of 4! lol

 

[captinknots]

im cutting new clones this week, im just trying to save a gifted stain that was given to me and not easy to obtain....

 

[guest2012y]

those look super healthy cheese. do you do anything to your moms before cutting?
and SecretG, my cloner is not the issue, i have my cloner right next to clones in vermiculite, and both are in the same shape. it was the temps, im certain. ive had plenty of success with this cloner, but im trying the verm because i can use a rooting hormone without it getting washed off. im trying to compare. ill try your method, even tho no one does it that way, but it makes sense to me.
also i moved my lights (a dual 24w floro) 24inches away. instead of 4! lol

I only make sure I get healthy cuttings from healthy moms.....