Keeping tea an extra day?

[Clackamas Coot]

You could potentially keep that batch of microbes going for months long as you add some type of food (sugar). People in the food industry have kept sour dough or grease for almost a hundred years. All they do is keep feeding the population.

Yes and no.................

If you were to buy a 'sourdough culture' (i.e. wild yeast culture) from a source like Sourdo.com which carries these specific cultures from Europe, the Middle East, Asia, et al. and activate them, what you'll find is that for the first and maybe the 2nd round of feeding and fermenting, you will lose the culture from the point of origin and those wild yeasts floating around in the air will replace the original culture.

IOW, buying the famous San Francisco sourdough culture will give you that specific taste for the first round and maybe the 2nd round - after that it's no longer San Francisco sourdough but a sourdough based on cultures in your local area.

CC

A member of the B.B.G.A (Bread Bakers Guild of America) for over 4 years and I'm certified in artisan bread processes.

 

[NUG-JUG]

Darwin made a great observation of natural selection which I've seen demonstrated (I won't say proven, real scientists know you cannot prove anything) in the world around me and more immediately in my garden. But how this proves that everything came from nothing and there is no God I honestly do not know!

It doesn't, but it makes it highly unlikely..god must have had a huge beetle fetish (so many species) lol..

MM- I've re-brewed teas before too, only adding more food (sugar), and it seemed ok..The e-coli and plant pathogens thing is a little scary..When you don't clean your brewer after use, then come back the next day...you might puke depending what went into it..After that I never slacked on the cleaning.

 

[SecretGardener]

Just so you know you are preaching to the choir. CT Guy is a Creationist (last I knew). I, however am one of those wretched scientists who cannot visualize the man with grey hair waving a wand. I can see a nucleus as the center of the universe, however.

Well there is my dilemma MM! I am a 'seeing is believing' kind of guy as well. Hence why I want to buy a microscope even though my tea's seem to be working I need to see the life in it! I have a hard time having faith that my tea's are good. I see the danger in an invisible, inaudible and intangible creator. Look at how people take advantage of each other in the name of God and Religion (manifest destiny ring a bell). We won't even go there.

But on the other hand I have a desire for the fantastic! Remember growing up? As a child, discovering new things were exciting and alien. But, as time went on those exciting new things became common and mundane. I enjoy learning new things because it reinvigorates that feeling of discovery! I feel it would be such a let down to find out we came from nothing. Why? Because everything I've discovered and learned would have been in vain if you cannot carry it on to the next life.

Unfortunately there is no way to prove or disprove it all. There is no empircal data. It is all based on faith. This is where I fail, even though deep down I believe!

Please forgive me everyone for going way off topic.

 

[CT Guy]

Just so you know you are preaching to the choir. CT Guy is a Creationist (last I knew). I, however am one of those wretched scientists who cannot visualize the man with grey hair waving a wand. I can see a nucleus as the center of the universe, however.

C'mon now MM, after all our talks, you really think I'm a Creationist? No way! I got my undergrad degree in Anthropology. Questioning the theory of evolution is like questioning the theory of gravity to me. In fact, just started talking with a girl in Canada, but am sadly having to give it up because she was a little to "religious" for me and a Creationist to boot.

Hope I didn't start a horrible side discussion, it was really just a reference to the "survival of the fittest" in the brewer over time.

 

[NUG-JUG]

In fact, just started talking with a girl in Canada, but am sadly having to give it up because she was a little to "religious" for me and a Creationist to boot.

That's a no-go for you too huh? lol

 

[Microbeman]

C'mon now MM, after all our talks, you really think I'm a Creationist? No way! I got my undergrad degree in Anthropology. Questioning the theory of evolution is like questioning the theory of gravity to me. In fact, just started talking with a girl in Canada, but am sadly having to give it up because she was a little to "religious" for me and a Creationist to boot.

Hope I didn't start a horrible side discussion, it was really just a reference to the "survival of the fittest" in the brewer over time.

I was under the impression that if one believed that God created the universe that one was a creationist. No? If not, I stand corrected. I thought you had told me that you believed there was a god responsible for creation.

If you believe in evolution does that counter a belief in the god in mans' image?

 

[CT Guy]

Creationists don't accept evolution on a macro scale but are willing to accept micro-evolution (take the example of birds in London during the Industrial Revolution). They tend to be literal translators of the Bible. For example, there was a physical man named Adam and a woman named Eve and they lived in the Garden of Eden. Noah really took 2 of every species and managed to control all the manure and kept all the animals from eating each other on the ark, etc....

Believing that a higher power (God) sparked the Big Bang would not fit within this perspective.

But, we've totally transgressed from the original post, and I'm just waiting to get yelled at by a moderator.

I'll hit you up with a PM on the subject!

~CT

 

[Microbeman]

Could not the 'higher power' be a nucleus and the agents of creation RNA messenger? Does the higher power need to be something we create religions over?

 

[guest2012y]

This would be a good thread....Organics and religion/creation vs. the evolutionist mindset. Imagine the arguments,ideals,beliefs,points,etc. that would ensue....or not. Or would that be a topic for the religious section?......I say since it's involving organics...why not debate it in this forum...?? Could be interesting and educational.

 

[NUG-JUG]

Could not the 'higher power' be a nucleus and the agents of creation RNA messenger? Does the higher power need to be something we create religions over?

MM_CTGUY-CC1.. YES! to me that is the higher power...Ok you guy's have sparked my stoned brain...I am somewhat of a science vs. creation junkie..lol A very smart man named Daniel Dennet has said that GOD is very different to everyone..His example is the word rock. Say you ask two ladies what comes to mind when you say the word rock..One girl says the word rock brings to mind Rock Hudson an old actor, the other ladie says rock means the genre of rock music to her..It's tough to meet in the middle when our ideas of what GOD is are so different...that's my point..

 

[treefrog]

What difference does it make, if god exists or not in any form, when It's completely up to US to make it or break it? So far, we're breaking it like champs!
This trip is about us, our relationships with each other and our planet.
Why give two farts about god, really?

Here's another take..
When we want to learn about an artist, a creator, like Leonardo Davinci for example, we look at the art, because that's all we have available to us. His art is cherished, hung in a vault, studied, sacred. We aren't allowed to so much as breathe on it! Most folks that believe in god, also believe god created this planet, so the only way to know god, is through his/her/it's work, which is this world. The natural world is the canvas of god, so to speak, and our most tangible connection to a creator, if one exists. Any other perceived or proclaimed connection is nebulous at best. This beautiful, magical, glorious planet, hanging like a jewel in the night, is our most magnificent connection to creation, whether it's god (in any form) chaos, alchemy or any other explanation. As a whole, we don't treat each other or our planet very well. Certainly not in the way we/it deserves. As a species, we are failing on an astronomical level. It amazes me how people can argue, and I'm not saying that's what's happening here, about the existence of god, race and all the other petty things, while we are destroying our planet, and hence ourselves. So, I ask again.. what difference does it make if god exists or not?

Industrial hemp could go a long way towards cleaning up the place, as I'm sure most of you know. I wonder at times if the powers that be aren't happy that we're all so focused on drug cannabis, because remember, it was never really about the drug. The environment started to go to hell in a hurry when cannabis was removed as the number one textile and petroleum took over.

 

[guest2012y]

I'm not going to get to far into it because I'm not stoned enough ATM to throw out my own personal skewed perception of the whole deal. BUT.... in a way an AACT tea is indeed a little universe where we play God to that simple yet complex little deal for 24 to 36 hours before we turn them loose on their own "planet" to set up/populate and exist. (I'm on evolutions side BTW)

 

[CT Guy]

I'm not going to get to far into it because I'm not stoned enough ATM to throw out my own personal skewed perception of the whole deal. BUT.... in a way an AACT tea is indeed a little universe where we play God to that simple yet complex little deal for 24 to 36 hours before we turn them loose on their own "planet" to set up/populate and exist. (I'm on evolutions side BTW)

Interesting perspective....I like that!

 

[guest2012y]

LOL CT..Sounds good now,but like I said I'm currently not smoking and I'll avoid stating my own theory here because that will just sound ridiculous if not closer to Terrence Mckenna-ish.

 

[treefrog]

LOL CT..Sounds good now,but like I said I'm currently not smoking and I'll avoid stating my own theory here because that will just sound ridiculous if not closer to Terrence Mckenna-ish.

"Terrence Mckenna-ish" could be nothing but good, imho, lol.

 

[Manitoid]

since i had gotten all i needed from my original post in thread i let it go

but damn this is a 110% derail.

 

[B.C.]

Note to self: no more ceptic water! lol

Note to self: no more ceptic water! lol

How long would anaerobic bacteria last in a healthy soil environment anyway, before it too was eaten. I wouldn't think very long....? BC

#1 it is not just bacteria. I don't know why people keep thinking this; #2 it is plant pathogens like erwinia, fusarium etc. that are of concern besides human pathogens like e-coli and aspergillus fumigatus, etc. for product to be consumed/smoked.

MM, I do realize it's not just bacteria. I have after all read yer past post's. I spose it's jus my simpleton term for all the micro critters. No biggie.

Also, I would never risk feeding my plants anything anaerobic, I know better. But You an CT did tell me one time the tea I made was prolly anaerobic cause my dual head fish pump would not provide enough DO for 5 gallons of tea. Remember? I asked shouldn't it stink? and if it was "bad" why does it not kill my plants. Yall told me it was because my soil was so healthy it was consuming anything that was harmful. So maybe you could clarify this alil bit? Thanks, much respect. BC

 

[guest2012y]

I recently made this mistake.....ooops. Delayed op.....suffering plants...not many,but two in a garden the size of mine is ugly to me. I knew better as much as I advise against it....Lazy?....tired? I dunno...live and learn.

 

[Microbeman]

MM, I do realize it's not just bacteria. I have after all read yer past post's. I spose it's jus my simpleton term for all the micro critters. No biggie.

Also, I would never risk feeding my plants anything anaerobic, I know better. But You an CT did tell me one time the tea I made was prolly anaerobic cause my dual head fish pump would not provide enough DO for 5 gallons of tea. Remember? I asked shouldn't it stink? and if it was "bad" why does it not kill my plants. Yall told me it was because my soil was so healthy it was consuming anything that was harmful. So maybe you could clarify this alil bit? Thanks, much respect. BC

CT Guy and I are not the same and do not usually make statements in unison. I do not think I've said that. If you show me a quote, I'll comment. One difference between CT Guy and I is that I am more accepting of anaerobic microbes in their place. When I discuss the amount of air pumped into a brewer, I describe optimal amounts. On my webpage there are instructions for making compost tea with a stick and bucket.

 

[jaykush]

Also, I would never risk feeding my plants anything anaerobic, I know better. But You an CT did tell me one time the tea I made was prolly anaerobic cause my dual head fish pump would not provide enough DO for 5 gallons of tea. Remember? I asked shouldn't it stink? and if it was "bad" why does it not kill my plants. Yall told me it was because my soil was so healthy it was consuming anything that was harmful. So maybe you could clarify this alil bit? Thanks, much respect. BC

don't be afraid of anaerobic microbes, they have there place in the system. i use anaerobic preparations ALL the time. its anaerobic ACT that's not so great.