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Court allows warrantless cell location tracking

CCronik

Member
Were slowly turning into the gestapo.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20015743-281.html

The FBI and other police agencies don't need a search warrant to track the locations of Americans' cell phones, a federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday in a precedent-setting decision.

In the first decision of its kind, a Philadelphia appeals court agreed with the Obama administration that no search warrant--signed by a judge based on a belief that there was probable cause to suspect criminal activity--was necessary for police to obtain logs showing where a cell phone user had traveled.

A three-judge panel of the Third Circuit said (PDF) tracking cell phones "does not require the traditional probable-cause determination" enshrined in the Fourth Amendment, which prohibits government agencies from conducting "unreasonable" searches. The court's decision, however, was focused on which federal privacy statutes apply.

But the panel sided with civil-liberties groups on an important point: it agreed that, in at least some cases, judges may require investigators to obtain a search warrant. That is, however, "an option to be used sparingly," the court said.

Some questions are likely to be resolved in future proceedings, once the case returns to a lower court. "It is still an open question as to whether the Fourth Amendment applies to cell phone records," Electronic Frontier Foundation attorney Kevin Bankston said after the ruling. "This decision does not definitively answer the question of the Fourth Amendment status of cell phone [location records]."

In this case, U.S. Magistrate Judge Lisa Lenihan denied the Justice Department's attempt to obtain stored location data without a search warrant, saying federal privacy law prohibited it. Lenihan's ruling, in effect, would require police to obtain a search warrant based on probable cause--a more privacy-protective standard.

The Obama administration had argued that warrantless tracking is permissible because Americans enjoy no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in their--or at least their cell phones'--whereabouts. U.S. Department of Justice lawyers said "a customer's Fourth Amendment rights are not violated when the phone company reveals to the government its own records" that show where a mobile device placed and received calls.

Lenihan had required the Justice Department to demonstrate "probable cause," a standard used in search warrants. But the three-judge panel rejected that idea, saying Lenihan "erred" and the relevant requirement is a "lesser one than probable cause" that is less privacy-protective.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, or ATF, had told Lenihan that it needed historical (meaning stored, not future) phone location information because a set of suspects "use their wireless telephones to arrange meetings and transactions in furtherance of their drug-trafficking activities." The name of the mobile-service provider is not public.

The ACLU, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and the Center for Democracy and Technology had argued (PDF) that because cell phone information "is protected by the Fourth Amendment," a search warrant was necessary. The court did not squarely address that question in Tuesday's ruling.

EFF's Bankston said it was encouraging to see a ruling that allowed judges to demand search warrants at least in some cases. "The court explicitly refused to set a boundary for the court's discretion," he said. "It clarifies that judges have the discretion that the government has long argued they don't have."

The Justice Department did not immediately respond to questions from CNET about whether it would appeal that portion of the ruling to the Supreme Court or seek a review from the Third Circuit.

Not long ago, the concept of tracking cell phones would have been the stuff of spy movies. In 1998's "Enemy of the State," Gene Hackman warned that the National Security Agency has "been in bed with the entire telecommunications industry since the '40s--they've infected everything." After a decade of appearances in "24" and "Live Free or Die Hard," location tracking has become such a trope that it was satirized in a scene with Seth Rogen from "Pineapple Express" (2008).

Cell phone tracking comes in two forms: police obtaining retrospective historical data kept by mobile providers for their own billing purposes that is typically not very detailed, or prospective tracking--which CNET was the first to report in a 2005 article--that reveals the minute-by-minute location of a handset or mobile device.

The Obama administration argues that no search warrant is necessary; it says what's needed is only a 2703(d) order, which requires law enforcement to show that the records are "relevant and material to an ongoing criminal investigation."


Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20015743-281.html#ixzz0yuLgGJSP
 

pearlemae

May your race always be in your favor
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Cell phones can be a blessing when needed,but they can be a hinderance in this case. Big Brother just got bigger.
 
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SOTF420

Humble Human, Freedom Fighter, Cannabis Lover, Bre
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Turn off phone and take the battery out problem solved. (if you need to)
 
Shit like this backs up my actions, and what SOTF just stated.

ANYTIME I go to a hydro shop...or anywhere else I don't want to be "seen"...I take my battery out at least 15 min before I arrive to my destination.
Just one reason I don't like iPhones
End of story
 

ballplayer 2

Active member
Another reason why I hate cell phones. They are such a fuckin bane on our society. Good for safety precautions and when traveling out of town. If performing more sensitive actions, leave the damn thing home.
 

PoopyTeaBags

State Liscensed Care Giver/Patient, Assistant Trai
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They used the same excuse 3 weeks ago when they ruled that they can put a gps on your car if it was in your drive way cause you have Americans enjoy no "reasonable expectation of privacy" in their--or at least their cell phones'--whereabouts... well last week it was your drive way pretty soon its gonna be your house.

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!! we are now the soviet union
 

ddrew

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Veteran
"The Obama administration argues that no search warrant is necessary"

WTF Obama???
Hope you enjoy your one term as president
 

turbolaser4528

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Veteran
well if you have nothing to hide then what do you care?


this is what someone said to me about warrantless phone taps, searches, etc..

ITS THE FUCKING PRINCIPLE !

Ron Paul 2010, thomas jefferson reincarnated
 

JJScorpio

Thunderstruck
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Is this regarding terrorism or is it for any crime they deem necessary to track you?
 

Grimr3efer

Member
The Obama administration argues that no search warrant is necessary; it says what's needed is only a 2703(d) order, which requires law enforcement to show that the records are "relevant and material to an ongoing criminal investigation."

Wake up!!! We are not FREE!!!!
 

PoopyTeaBags

State Liscensed Care Giver/Patient, Assistant Trai
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any crime it seems... ive heard nothing of terrorism.

they have gotten rid of throw away phones and made it legal to gps your car and your phone without a warrant if they "feel" they need to...

this is fucking crazy.
 

cfltime

Member
"The Obama administration argues that no search warrant is necessary"

WTF Obama???
Hope you enjoy your one term as president

I am gonna have to agree with you on that. I think that guy is shaping this country into world-war 2 Germany. Slowly.

As far as the cell phone tracking goes.....what are YOU going to do about it. Horrible. Absolutely horrible.

Chief on!
 
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joe4444

Member
Shit like this backs up my actions, and what SOTF just stated.

ANYTIME I go to a hydro shop...or anywhere else I don't want to be "seen"...I take my battery out at least 15 min before I arrive to my destination.
Just one reason I don't like iPhones
End of story
Really? If I power down my phone but do not remove the battery it still communicates with towers? I find this hard to believe. iPhones and many others have "Airplane Mode" which turns off the radio to avoid interference with airplane communications.
 

FlaDankster

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Veteran
How exactly is this tracking done?????

Gps i know but how does it work?Is this any phone that can actually be tracked through gps?

Sad shit what our planet is coming to.I hope my kids understand how much i meant it the other day when i told them i didn't want them to have children of there own and why.

FD
 
Well, fuck us all. Rulings like this would make Hitler blush. If you piss off a cop, he will track where ever you go, and pull you over all the time. I'm going to invest in old technology void of all tracking devices.
 

Protostele

Member
FBI taps cell phone mic as eavesdropping tool

FBI taps cell phone mic as eavesdropping tool

Really? If I power down my phone but do not remove the battery it still communicates with towers? I find this hard to believe. iPhones and many others have "Airplane Mode" which turns off the radio to avoid interference with airplane communications.

Start believing.....has been going on for years and been accepted by the courts. This article is from 2006, long before Obama took power.

http://www.zdnet.com/news/fbi-taps-cell-phone-mic-as-eavesdropping-tool/150467

The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations.
The technique is called a "roving bug," and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials for use against members of a New York organized crime family who were wary of conventional surveillance techniques such as tailing a suspect or wiretapping him.

Nextel cell phones owned by two alleged mobsters, John Ardito and his attorney Peter Peluso, were used by the FBI to listen in on nearby conversations. The FBI views Ardito as one of the most powerful men in the Genovese family, a major part of the national Mafia.

The surveillance technique came to light in an opinion published this week by U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan. He ruled that the "roving bug" was legal because federal wiretapping law is broad enough to permit eavesdropping even of conversations that take place near a suspect's cell phone.

Kaplan's opinion said that the eavesdropping technique "functioned whether the phone was powered on or off." Some handsets can't be fully powered down without removing the battery; for instance, some Nokia models will wake up when turned off if an alarm is set.

While the Genovese crime family prosecution appears to be the first time a remote-eavesdropping mechanism has been used in a criminal case, the technique has been discussed in security circles for years.

The U.S. Commerce Department's security office warns that "a cellular telephone can be turned into a microphone and transmitter for the purpose of listening to conversations in the vicinity of the phone." An article in the Financial Times last year said mobile providers can "remotely install a piece of software on to any handset, without the owner's knowledge, which will activate the microphone even when its owner is not making a call."
Nextel and Samsung handsets and the Motorola Razr are especially vulnerable to software downloads that activate their microphones, said James Atkinson, a counter-surveillance consultant who has worked closely with government agencies. "They can be remotely accessed and made to transmit room audio all the time," he said. "You can do that without having physical access to the phone."

Because modern handsets are miniature computers, downloaded software could modify the usual interface that always displays when a call is in progress. The spyware could then place a call to the FBI and activate the microphone--all without the owner knowing it happened. (The FBI declined to comment on Friday.)

"If a phone has in fact been modified to act as a bug, the only way to counteract that is to either have a bugsweeper follow you around 24-7, which is not practical, or to peel the battery off the phone," Atkinson said. Security-conscious corporate executives routinely remove the batteries from their cell phones, he added.

continues...
 

Grimr3efer

Member
I keep the battery out unless i need it for emergence. All my calls go to voicemail which i check every so often. I'd like to start using uhf radios for needed communication within my circle.

Too bad all this started with sept 11. One of the biggest lies told to the American people (9/11 was an inside job imo). This opened the door for them to infringe upon our privacy. This is what brought us to the Patriot Act which basicly says you have no privacy and we can do what we want when we want how we want to invade your privacy legally. No exception to this rule. Buggin, wire tapping /w your cell phone, spy cams, cams on your phone, tiny gps trackers... you name it they can use it against you in the name of the Patriot Act. What a joke. My forfathers would roll in there grave if they see how we have lost many freedoms of privacy. We are loosing freedom slowly. Its designed that way. They take away slowly until they have our whole pie. Invasion of privacy means nothing anymore! Look at the damn chopper that hover over my garden @ 200 feet. Can I please enjoy my friday afternnon with out you invading my property/privacy. Not anymore...

Take your batteries out and put it in only when necessary! Also have more than 1 car. I have a few that I can move around in and a few bikes. Watch your ass cause you can bet they are watching ours. BTW all the camers everywhere are plain evidence of uncomming police state.
 

Zen Master

Cannasseur
Veteran
I haven't had a social phone in over a year now. All these smartphones have lots of ways to fuck you over and I just don't see the appeal in blatantly throwing info into the wind (literally so to speak) and have LEO tapping into that.

I've got a burner phone, but how much safer is that? even if its a cheap one and not a fancy smartphone?

Taking the battery out seems like that might fool the first generation type "oh lets try tapping the cell phone" type devices, however once you put your battery back in, you get all your missed calls/texts etc etc... and the times they were sent etc, so why not GPS pings while your phone is off?

with technology advancing and personal privacy regressing, how can we limit our exposure?
 

DiscoBiscuit

weed fiend
Veteran
We can thank the folks that brought us...

DHS - A thousands-strong umbrella of what... 35 intelligence gathering organizations that didn't communicate with each other?

Color chart - to tell us when to be afraid (and how much.)

Elevated threat-levels prior to key elections.

Would be book-burners and general nuts that would and will perpetuate a state of fear and mistrust. All for notoriety or that thing called rapture.
 
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