Help with my feeding Chart from ICs Advanced.

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This is my new Idea for my chart and mixes using Fox Farms Line of nutrients & supplements.
I am thinking of taking out the extra teaspoon of Tiger Bloom that I added for my first chart..?../? & keeping the recommended 3 teaspoons of Grow Big during Bloom from Veg. What do you guys think about this Idea.? Not sure if I should or will yet. My Idea is to basically go with all of Fox Farms HIGHEST recommended Dosages but not according to their schedule exactly. If I did do anything like this I would try keeping the 3 teaspoons of Grow Big during Bloom vs loosing 1 teaspoon during bloom which is what they recommend. I find the plants are not liking the loss of the N in the middle of bloom with their recommended mix dosage of two teaspoons of Grow Big in my "Beasty Bloom Mixture". which is basically why I added the extra teaspoon of Tiger Bloom all through flowering. Being the weakest in NPK for their nutrients and in that I am as concerned as the next cat about burning up my work I thought this the best possible thing to try. Now I am having second thoughts or at least I'm curious I should say as to if this way would work better.

These Nutrients & Supplements are mixed into 4 separate mixes. One mix for each stage of the plant's life.
Growth Mix- Grow Big & Big Bloom.
1st Bloom Mix- Tiger Bloom,Big Bloom,Open Sesame.
2nd Bloom Mix- Tiger Bloom, Big Bloom,Grow Big &
Beasty Bloom.
3rd Bloom Mix- Tiger Bloom, Big Bloom, Cha-Ching.

~Mix for Growth/(24 Hour Light Cycle)- per Gallon~
#1.Grow Big Soil = 3 teaspoons
#2.Big Bloom = 2 tablespoon

~Mix's for Bloom/(12/12 Light Cycle)- per Gallon~
#1. Grow Big Soil = 3 teaspoons
#2. Big Bloom = 1 table-spoon
#3. Tiger Bloom = 2 teaspoons
#4. Open Sesame = 1/2 teaspoon
#5. Beasty Bloom = 1/2 teaspoon
#6. Cha-Ching = 1/2 teaspoon

Please use constructive criticism or if you can HELP me think of a way to make it better. I really need to hear from some advanced Growers on these issues. Thank you in advance for any help I can get.
Here is the Chart which isn't all that different from the original. The original Feeding Chart from Fox Farm is below in an attachment.

 

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I must add that I am currently growing BB x NL so I set this chart up mainly for her.

 

[TrichyTrichy]

looking forward to the info

 

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My Old Mix

My Old Mix

I figured this is necessary to show you because it shows the success ive had with a similar chart then shows the differences ive made so one can better judge the outcome of using Fox Farm Nutrients & supplements this way. Again I thank you for any help I may receive. Here is the old mixes with bud shots to prove success in the links in my sig.
~Mix for Veg/(24 Hour Light Cycle)- per Gallon~

#1. Grow Big Soil = 3 teaspoons #2. Big Bloom = 2 Tablespoons


~Mix's for Flower/(12/12 Light Cycle)- per Gallon~

#1. Grow Big Soil = 2 teaspoons
#2. Big Bloom = 1 Table-Spoon
#3. Tiger Bloom = 3 teaspoons
#4. Open Sesame = 1/2 teaspoon
#5. Beasty Bloom = 1/2 teaspoon
#6. Cha-Ching = 1/2 teaspoon
#7. Molasses = 1/2 teaspoon

 

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HIGH TRICHY!!!

HIGH TRICHY!!!

looking forward to the info

ME 2 lol!! Good seeing you here!! I am sooo curious as to if this will work & I did have good luck with the old chart. I do hope some advanced growers can shed some light of knowledge on my Ideals.

 

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Taking another look at the NPK on the Bottles, I realize that the supplements P should more than make up for the loss of 1 extra teaspoon of Tiger Bloom while in Flower. In that TBs NPK is 2-8-4 & GBs NPK is 6-4-4 One would think I should end up with a much more well-balanced Nutrient mix by keeping the GB at 3 teaspoons through the beasty blooms nutrient mixture.. I would love to hear some suggestions on this thought as well.

 

[snooplbc]

so if i understood you correctly you want to add GB a tsp per gallon in week 7 and 8 and add 1 tsp per gallon of TB all throughout flower?

on the solubles ive heard to go with the 1/4 dosage as the higher doses can cause lock up...also, ive been experimenting with using solubles on every watering and have found much success with that although the schedule says use every other watering...i figure since im using the minimum dose, i can afford to use it every watering...ur thoughts?

check out my sig for my grow for a better idea

 

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so if i understood you correctly you want to add GB a tsp per gallon in week 7 and 8 and add 1 tsp per gallon of TB all throughout flower?

on the solubles ive heard to go with the 1/4 dosage as the higher doses can cause lock up...also, ive been experimenting with using solubles on every watering and have found much success with that although the schedule says use every other watering...i figure since im using the minimum dose, i can afford to use it every watering...ur thoughts?

check out my sig for my grow for a better idea

I want to add the 1 teaspoon of GB in Flower to make for a total of 3,and loose 1 teaspoon of tiger bloom making for a total of 2 while in flower. I havent had any troubles with lock out using full 1/2 teaspoon supplements but I'm learning best I can. I do have a Grow report where I used full strength supplements with no worries. I think you can go full feed every time untill flush. I have a friend that swears he does. i do things like this, about the middle of flower I give a rinse, just ta be safe.

 

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18 days flowering on new Feeding Chart

18 days flowering on new Feeding Chart

 

[tester]

~Mix for Growth/(24 Hour Light Cycle)- per Gallon~
#1.Grow Big Soil = 3 teaspoons
#2.Big Bloom = 2 tablespoon

~Mix's for Bloom/(12/12 Light Cycle)- per Gallon~
#1. Grow Big Soil = 3 teaspoons
#2. Big Bloom = 1 table-spoon
#3. Tiger Bloom = 2 teaspoons
#4. Open Sesame = 1/2 teaspoon
#5. Beasty Bloom = 1/2 teaspoon
#6. Cha-Ching = 1/2 teaspoon

This chart can be used to compare your schedule with Foxfarm's original schedule.
Hopefully I made no mistakes when I entered them.





The biggest difference is between P levels on the first two weeks of flowering you give 422ppm more P (elemental) than Foxfarm.

Most of the schedules tops at 150 P so 584 P might be an overkill.

About how much ph+ or ph- do you use per gallon, from which company? Can you tell me their concentrations (eg: 59% phophoric acid)?

Potassium is about the same level as with AN heavy feeding program.


Your ratios for
veg are about the same as the original, 3:1:2,2 (N:K, elemental),
flo is 1:1,5:1,5

 

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This chart can be used to compare your schedule with Foxfarm's original schedule.
Hopefully I made no mistakes when I entered them.

View attachment 75896

View attachment 75897

The biggest difference is between P levels on the first two weeks of flowering you give 422ppm more P (elemental) than Foxfarm.

Most of the schedules tops at 150 P so 584 P might be an overkill.

About how much ph+ or ph- do you use per gallon, from which company? Can you tell me their concentrations (eg: 59% phophoric acid)?

Potassium is about the same level as with AN heavy feeding program.


Your ratios for
veg are about the same as the original, 3:1:2,2 (N:K, elemental),
flo is 1:1,5:1,5

This is way cool Thank you for your assistance!! This is greatly appreciated friend! I use General Hydroponics PH up with my mixes adding 5 ml to each except the veg mix.

 

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I also wonder how my old chart compared to Fox Farms. ? Would you be willing to help me some more? This is very useful & I Deeply appreciate your help already on this issue. I had successful grows with my old chart & have had no problems as of yet with my new chart, I wonder what kinds of problems I could potently run into using my new chart vs my old.? I really want to design a mix & Chart from FF specifically for Cannabis. I have to believe that this is possible. Any suggestions?

 

[tester]

General Hydroponics PH up is gonna need deciphering because according to the MSDS (http://www.generalhydroponics.com/genhydro_US/msds/pH_Up_Liquid.pdf):

"The percentage of mixture information for pH Up is withheld as a trade secret."

but at least we know whats in it:

"The basic ingredients of pH UpTM are potassium carbonate and potassium silicate."

http://www.pqcorp.com/msds/SILMATRIX_ANSI_MSDS.pdf
This is an older one, has some KOH.

and the density:

"Specific Gravity: 1.09"

Check a density table to see what w/v% goes with this density: (http://www.chembuddy.com/)

This is about a 10% solution is it has 1.09 g/ml density.

Use the molecular calculator to get the elemental K. (I use the chart instead, will upload it later so it will be more simple)

5ml/gal 10% potassium silicate = 70 K
5ml/gal 10% potassium carbonate = 74,7 K
5ml/gal 10% potassium hydroxide = 100 K

So with 5ml of this GH-s pH up we add about 70 mg/l K per gallon
This means you work with 635 K during flo.

For a reference AN heavy program for bloom has 613 K this is the highest level, but without pH+ or -, I don't know how much is needed.

 

[tester]

So far I only checked a couple of schedules but to be honest I cant find any pattern in them.

BTW by chart I meant excel workbook in my first post.

Even within the same company -between AN new and old schedules- there are huge differencies not just in ppms but in N:K ratios too.

I'll try to translate the excel workbook and upload it here.

 

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I must admit you sir are well-informed on this topic more so than I. I am learning as much as I can, as fast as possible, but I believe im getting in over my head lol. I still want to hash this out & do this, so let me formulate some more questions & soak in some of this GREAT info! You Rock man TY!

 

[pufferfish]

i dont know what the hell im looking at in the pix in post 10...i dont know what N-P-K is yet..but im learning..keep it up guys i love this shit

 

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nitrogen (N), phosphorus (P) and potassium (K)

 

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The N.P.K. on Open Sesame is 5-45-19
N.P.K. for Tiger Bloom is 2-8-4
N.P.K. for Big Bloom is 0.01-0.3-0.7
So in the first two weeks of my chart using my "open sesame mix" what this tells me is I can run open sesame to 1/4 teaspoon vs at 1/2 teaspoon to save money & supplements & maybe over kill lol. This should cut me down a bit on the over kill in P in the first two weeks of flower.
So all that would need be changed in my chart that I can tell & going by charts and assumptions lol would be the Open Sesame mix would be 1/4 vs 1/2 teaspoon. Renitch the PH properly & all should be swell....? Can I have your assistance crunching these numbers onto another chart & see if this helps my P over kill lol? TYTYTY

 

[pufferfish]

hay canna...can i make up a 5 gallon batch of food in a sparkletts bottle that wil last me 10 or 11 days ..or will it go bad...or just do 1 gallon at a time..by the way my plants are doing real good with your mix...thanx

 

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Yes. You can mix it in larger ammounts. I dont see any problems with leaving it sit 10 - 11 days. I dont think it will go bad but im not 100%. I only mix them in 1 gallon jugs because it works best for my system/set-up. No problem friend. Im glad you dig it . TY