perpetual growing question.

[bushwakka]

I am hoping someone will take the time to help me, drbud has inspired me to try a perpetual grow, my flowering will be under a 600 hps,from clones, i am thinking 16 in total harvesting 4 every 2 weeks, i realise it is all strain specific, i have nirvana super skunk(and safari mix freebies), so in anyones opinion what size clone should i put into flower(soil)to hopefully get a 1 ounce lollypop or more, i would think about more than that if the yield would increase,also i am thinking about making upright drainpipe into hempy style as height not a problem(to maximise the amount of soil in the light footprint,)
Anyway i have tried to find a similar type grow without success, how big should a clone be put into flower to yield the best part of an oz please?Is 4 oz every 2 weeks too much to hope for under a 600?

 

[JacuzziSplot]

pot size is a big factor as well in soil. If I was trying to do what you want I would use 1-2 gallon grow bags with about 3 weeks veg. 1 week in final pot and adjust from there but like you said every strain is different.

 

[blancorasta]

if your going soil i would use the best soil you can find and use 3-5 gallon containers, the more root the more fruit. top at 6-9 inches and top the tops once and veg each new top 6-12" dependant on strain. there should be four tops after you remove the branches below the initial topping. look into defoliating it keeps the topps shorter and denser with buds and increases yield while allowing you to squeeze more colas into each square foot.
with the right strain, grow it like that and, 2-3 oz's per plant is very doable, easy even. mind your temp, humidity, nutrient level, ph and you should be good.

good luck,
peace

 

[bushwakka]

i have a 600 for the flowering part, would 3 weeks vegging of a clone(lollipopping)allow me to have the numbers i am looking for?i know i will have to find out for myself but i am looking for a starting point, if anyone can point me to a perpetual grow maestro(preferably a one lighter man)i would appreciate it, i am trying google but maybe you know someone here who is or has done it?and thanks for making me feel welcome also, i used to be a member of ukc but that seems to have vanished!blacorasta, so you are saying grow my clones to about 9" and top them a couple of times then flower lollipopping stylee?do you think 16 under a 600 is feasible?

 

[blancorasta]

blacorasta, so you are saying grow my clones to about 9" and top them a couple of times then flower lollipopping stylee?do you think 16 under a 600 is feasible?

im no master, but my perpetual ambitions will soon come to fruition once i get the electrical overhead. but anyways to help explain what i mean i figured a picture is worth a thousand words right, and i went and took a couple pics just to show you what i mean.

the key to perpetual is your strain choice. find a strain that fits your room/needs; and get an ez cloner, you need a reliable source of clones of the same strain every two weeks, there is no better way. most strains will root in less than 10 days, and you can even leave them in the cloner for the remaining 5 days or so until you have room in to transplant to help save time in veg

like i said use no smaller than a 3 gallon container and i recommend a five gallon bucket. (i still dont know if your using soil or not?)

different strains have different vigor in veg. i'd say 4 weeks should be good enough for the slower vegging strains, if the strain stretches alot you could top sooner and that could also help cut some time off the veg.


ignore the branch in my hand, veg the plant from 6 to 9 inches and make your first top.



let the two new tops grow a bit and top each again, forming four tops

now let those four new tops veg an additional 6-12" from the last topping, dependant on the amount the variety stretches from the onset of bloom.

lollypop them and viola


both pics are of the same plant and each one of those colas should be close to if not more than an ounce. no ferts just five gallons of expensive soil and filtered water.

and yes 16 of these should fit under a 600 in a 4x4 footprint with each bucket right against another. if you get an 8 week strain you should be able to harvets at least 8 oz's every two weeks.

i didnt defoliate (remove the leaves) these but i will be from now on (i have on my outdoor) it increases yeld by allowing more light to the buds and by allowing to squeeze more colas in the same space. i hear it also keeps the colas shorter with less stretch.

again its all about the strain, for what it sounds like you want i would recommend trying to find an 8 week sativa dominant hybrid. and specifcally something cindy99 related, check dutchgrown seeds via seed boutique or seed bay, alot of fast flowering cindy99 crosses for a very fair price.

hope that helps,
peace

 

[bushwakka]

in soil,yes, gonig to goto coco eventually but figure soil more forgiving for first run at this perpetual. that looks pretty good there for what i am wanting. but i am cloning and vegging under a 250 fluoro unit so space could be an issue with the vegging ,how long with your vegging does it normally take to get to the first picture?do you top at all after switching to 12/12 or is it all before?
I have started with super skunk(nirvana) as they are the easiest i have ever grown,but i am going to take your advice and look for a strain proven with this for next time around, when i bought them i just wanted a good cheap seed as i havent grown for a few years since my last harvest hermied due to a light leak and i got disheartened and a huge leccy bill.

 

[bushwakka]

blanco, got your message,SO annoying when that happens eh?The other day i shut down ten pages instead of one and none were bookmarked,not as bad as an hours worth of writing i know, but thanks for taking the time anyway.

 

[High Country]

Ever thought of single cola SOG style, 4 plants per sq/ft? With this style 600W can grow 36 plants in a 3x3 ebb/flow table. Don't veg the clones. straight on to 12/12.

All you need are mums and a very reliable cloning method. Stagger the clone production and you could easily harvest every two weeks or whenever you want.

I don't do perpetual, just single cola SOG at 4 per sq/ft and harvest every 6-8 weeks. However by staggering the clone production and introduction into the system on a 12/12 light regime a perpetual harvest is easily obtainable.

 

[bushwakka]

i am thinking that way maybe, how much do you get off each plant on average with no veg? i am thinking 4 to a pot and 4 pots each 2 weeks, 16 plants, if i was to look at at least half oz from each plant i would be happy, i know i have to dial in etc but 4 oz+ a week would be good, i am looking at 4*4 footprint, either all pots or 4*1 planters, a perpetual harvest appeals to me and with clones i can adjust all the time till i find what works best for my plant,. i am doing super skunk as it was also my first ever grow and it came out very easy but i do wish i had done a c99 now, but first i will enjoy what i have. blancos topping style looks good, certainly given me food for thought.
4 skunk have now popped and 5 safari mix,i will be flowering the safari in the space that will await my perpetual, hopefully with cuttings off all first, unfortunately my hours at work were just cut and now the electric cost is worrying me a bit as i am on a prepay meter, the 250 mother and clone unit is not too bad but when i add the 600 plus more fans, etc it could become a problem, anyway besides that thanks for your interest and advice, i am taking it all on board because i do need the help. I am in soil at the mo but intend to goto coco at some point.

 

[blancorasta]

Ever thought of single cola SOG style, 4 plants per sq/ft? With this style 600W can grow 36 plants in a 3x3 ebb/flow table. Don't veg the clones. straight on to 12/12.

All you need are mums and a very reliable cloning method. Stagger the clone production and you could easily harvest every two weeks or whenever you want.

I don't do perpetual, just single cola SOG at 4 per sq/ft and harvest every 6-8 weeks. However by staggering the clone production and introduction into the system on a 12/12 light regime a perpetual harvest is easily obtainable.

i am thinking that way maybe, how much do you get off each plant on average with no veg? i am thinking 4 to a pot and 4 pots each 2 weeks, 16 plants, if i was to look at at least half oz from each plant i would be happy, i know i have to dial in etc but 4 oz+ a week would be good, i am looking at 4*4 footprint, either all pots or 4*1 planters, a perpetual harvest appeals to me and with clones i can adjust all the time till i find what works best for my plant,. i am doing super skunk as it was also my first ever grow and it came out very easy but i do wish i had done a c99 now, but first i will enjoy what i have. blancos topping style looks good, certainly given me food for thought.
4 skunk have now popped and 5 safari mix,i will be flowering the safari in the space that will await my perpetual, hopefully with cuttings off all first, unfortunately my hours at work were just cut and now the electric cost is worrying me a bit as i am on a prepay meter, the 250 mother and clone unit is not too bad but when i add the 600 plus more fans, etc it could become a problem, anyway besides that thanks for your interest and advice, i am taking it all on board because i do need the help. I am in soil at the mo but intend to goto coco at some point.

hey bushwakka,

after i read high country's reply, and given it some thought i believe this is where you should start (if your not limited by plant numbers??). get some quality results with your SOG perpetual then, in time step up with a better strain or two and, add a veg room.

i am thinking that way maybe, how much do you get off each plant on average with no veg?

this is really very dependant on a strains stretch and growth profile. i'd think ones that stretch a little more and branch a little less would be ideal. so HC's experience isnt likely a proper reflection of what you can expect. that said a 1/2 oz per plant in a tight SOG should be easy to obtain even for the most minimal yielding of strains.

.5 oz x 16= 8 oz every two weeks thats pretty good i think it could be even more though once dialed in it could be an oz per plant!.... with the right strain of course

Also check out this thread Defoliation: High- Yield Technique its a fairly long read but worth it, and its not only for SCROG. you can use it in SOG, multi top, lollypop. ive even done it outdoor

i am thinking 4 to a pot and 4 pots each 2 weeks, 16 plants, if i was to look at at least half oz from each plant i would be happy, i know i have to dial in etc but 4 oz+ a week would be good, i am looking at 4*4 footprint, either all pots or 4*1 planters

taking high country's advice into consideration with your reply, (if i where you) i would find some 6"x6" square pots (circle's ok if you cant find square). get them in the deepest size you can and put one clone per pot. If you get some expensive soil like Fox Farms Ocean Forrest or Roots Organics in a large enough container, you wont even need nutes just filter your water (brita or pur) and use some black strap molasses. Dont plant them in the same container, the roots will begin to compete with and steal nutes from one another. i think you would yield more from a fully vegged multi top lollypop, but like i said you'll get there in time.

if you are not limited (by a medical recommendation) to a certain number of flowering plants then i would say there is no rush to grow big monsters in a perpetual right away. and just throw four clones straight into bloom every two weeks which is still a perpetual SOG.

hopefully with cuttings off all first, unfortunately my hours at work were just cut and now the electric cost is worrying me a bit as i am on a prepay meter, the 250 mother and clone unit is not too bad but when i add the 600 plus more fans, etc it could become a problem, .

EDIT: der^^ Clone Unit didnt process that part, my bad
i cant stress enough the importance of an aeroponic cloner. you need them to reliably get your 16 clones every two weeks.

keep us updated, bro. you should create a thread with pics and such to document, and help us help you with, your grow.

peace

 

[Phillthy]

i run perpetual like this.

clones or seedlings take two weeks to get established then 28 day veg. from there into flower. i have two sides to my flower room. place one side in flower and the other is at 4 or 5 weeks. harvest the one side add the new side. i harvest every 4 to 5 weeks.

veg for 28 days in 1/2 gallon containers then they go to 3 gallon bags for flower. i can pull 1 to 2 ounces per plant untopped or topped depending on strain. i only get to top once with the short veg period.

 

[blancorasta]

i run perpetual like this.

clones or seedlings take two weeks to get established then 28 day veg. from there into flower. i have two sides to my flower room. place one side in flower and the other is at 4 or 5 weeks. harvest the one side add the new side. i harvest every 4 to 5 weeks.

veg for 28 days in 1/2 gallon containers then they go to 3 gallon bags for flower. i can pull 1 to 2 ounces per plant untopped or topped depending on strain. i only get to top once with the short veg period.

good thing you stopped in, I totally ment to send him your way LOL. short ter memory loss huh?

peace bro

 

[Phillthy]

no problem man. i am a big advocate for growing in a perpetual cycle. always able to try something new without a long wait

 

[bushwakka]

Thanks guys for all this, i am going to read your posts a few times, then head to the thread blanco mentioned, funny enough i was on your thread philthy when i decided to check mine!
I will start to document this once it gets started, at the mo it would just be pics of tiny seedlings,the superskunk seed that i thought was dead actually popped upside down!have now righted it and put under light so hoping it will flourish.
Anyways, thanks for making me feel welcome,i'm off to read your advice.
I was looking at that sugar candy kush from reservationlabs,nice or what?

 

[blancorasta]

Safari Mix freebies.....

Safari Mix freebies.....

hey bushwakka,

I say dont even clone these let them veg a lil bit and just throw them into bud just to get something started and earn a little "seat time" to work out any kinks you may run into. pull the males as you see sacks growing

if your running regular seeds not fems on the Super Skunk your gonna have to sex them. i would recomend topping around the 6th node then taking the first two to four tops from each super skunk as clones and label each clone appropriately along with is mother. after they have rooted put at least one of each into the bud room. watch for pistils and sacks; when you see sacks scrap those clones and the mother they came from, and replace it with one you know is female. then by week 6 of bud, after you have been taking clones of the females and adding them to the bud room every 2 weeks, you should have a good idea of which individual(s) female you wish to keep as a mother(s).

and defintely try and pick phillthy's brain. he knows his stuff and runs perpetual, check out his thread! EDIT: haha i must have been typing as u posted

peace

 

[bushwakka]

lol!the skunk are fems, never grown fems but thought i'd try it, the safari are defo going straight in, your idea of taking clones from the tops is a winner i would say,i am reading that defoliation thread(thanks), one idea i have had is making 6"square pots from drainpipe as height is not a problem so i can put enough soil as needed,just cut to size,might not be able to do that straight off but that is defo on the agenda. I got my small light wrong,its is 2 55w flouros so 110w not 250W,enough for what i need i think though.
I am not in the usa so no medical grow for me unfortunately,stealth all the way,so i should warn you that you are consorting with a criminal,a desperate one at that!

 

[blancorasta]

one idea i have had is making 6"square pots from drainpipe as height is not a problem so i can put enough soil as needed,just cut to size,might not be able to do that straight off but that is defo on the agenda.

that is a really good idea, just make sure you put enough drain holes in the bottom. and 1/3 to half a meter should more than tall enough for your SOG perpetual. but i would still recommend your goal being a 5 gallon bucket or 10 gallon grow bag perpetual. less plants and likely higher yields.

right on,
peace

 

[bushwakka]

hey blanco, i wish i could get pics off my phone but a quick update,5 superskunk and one safari 4 weeks into flower,5 femmed trainwreck just come up and under 110w cfl. yellowing leaves on the ss and safari due either to an overdose of superthrive or out of date canna pk13/14? i thought the pk would be good but its about 5 years old ,do you think it can go bad even though its not organic?
Just trying now to get something perpetual going(its harder than it sounds), also got ten haze*sk no.1 as freebie so thinking of growing them12/12 from seed then i can get them in soon and get the trainwreck in after the skunk, all soil at mo but hoping to invest from the superskunk in a ph/ec wand and go coco.
Will get pics up once i can connect my phone to the pc.