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Why do you even bother posting, you never actually say anything?

And your blather never ceases.

Did we actually need another thread about global warming to bolster your political one of the same topic?

Good lord almighty, move on man
 

dagnabit

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And your blather never ceases.

Did we actually need another thread about global warming to bolster your political one of the same topic?

Good lord almighty, move on man

herein lies truth.
this pseudo topic of "denialisim" narrowed further by some created definition is nothing more than a smoke screen.
 

Grat3fulh3ad

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I'm not the one who made the thread shift to being about global warming... it is about much more than the segment of the venn diagram where global warming and scientific denialism overlap...

there is another poster asking me all sorts of global warming questions and I keep trying to direct them to the right thread to post in and information which answers most everything they could bring up to question GW.
 

Grat3fulh3ad

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You are the one making all the claims. I haven't made any. I've only questioned your claims.

Pointed you to the answers to your question concerning the claims made by the majority of the climate scientists worldwide, which I passed along, but you seem unwilling to dig. I'm not going to spoon feed you and I have nothing more to prove... The information (all of it from both sides) is there on that site if you would only bother seeking the answers you claim to be seeking. The fallacies you imagine are the result of your incomplete picture. Stop criticizing the basic simplifies elementary school version, and read the intermediate and advanced versions which back up all of their assertions with hyperlinks to the pertinent data and to more detailed explanations.


are you sure you don't need to be taught website navigation?
 

Weird

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I will say I was FUCKING SHOCKED when I came here a few years ago (yeah guess who lol) and found that the lessons I had gleaned from a plant that had opened a doorway of understanding to the natural world was lost on so many

THE MOST SHOCKING THING OF ALL

that anyone here, a being that is a BYPRODUCT of the natural world, would BE FUCKING EGOTISTICAL ENOUGH to think they

A) aren't a part of it

B) dont think that their actions effect it


its called apathy (especially the version where you tell yourself your too insignificant to make a difference and you leave it up to the mankind that has so discouraged you)

BUT IN YOUR DEFENSE

apathy is action (sin.karma) caused by people who bred to self hate and pot is where i learned to lose my apathy and in retrospect it took many many many years for me to come around

keep growing pot, it will save the world if you let it save you

and obviously im not hiding the fact that im not normal by calling myself weird
 

Grat3fulh3ad

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so no sarcasm in you offer of tutorship?

sure...
:blowbubbles:

None at all, I am actually willing to teach him exactly how to navigate that site in order to access all of the available information if he can't sort it out.

I am unwilling to spoon feed him answers to questions he is unwilling to seek answers for.

glad you're taking up for him, though.
:huggy:
 

dagnabit

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None at all, I am actually willing to teach him exactly how to navigate that site in order to access all of the available information if he can't sort it out.

I am unwilling to spoon feed him answers to questions he is unwilling to seek answers for.

glad you're taking up for him, though.
:huggy:

do you still have that bridge?
i may have a buyer.
 

Grat3fulh3ad

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herein lies truth.
this pseudo topic of "denialisim" narrowed further by some created definition is nothing more than a smoke screen.

Fine include the Mark Hoofnagle definition... Mark Hoofnagle has described denialism as "the employment of rhetorical tactics to give the appearance of argument or legitimate debate, when in actuality there is none."


So, even then, if you are presenting evidence as a skeptic you are not a denialist.
If you are using nothing but rhetorical tactics to deny empirically verifiable evidence, then you are a denialist.

Still doesn't make the thread about global warming.

still doesn't negate that scientific denialism is detrimental.

nice try,
next player.

If you have anything to use as evidence other than rhetorical tactics, then you are a denialist. Using refuted evidence after it has been refuted, as though it never had been refuted makes one a denialist.


p.s. before you make false accusations of false definitions... I'm offering examples which fall completely within the definition, not offering alternate definitions.
 
interesting. so in the earlier example of South African pres, Thabo Mbeki, the guy "who argued against the scientific consensus that HIV caused AIDS." you would argue that it's wrong for scientists to conclude that HIV causes AIDS. just as it was for Thabo Mbeki to claim that HIV did not cause AIDS.

and you'd claim that doctors who believe that HIV causes AIDS are guilty of some kind of "quasi religious mania."

???

No.
 

Grat3fulh3ad

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do you still have that bridge?
i may have a buyer.

never had a bridge nor claimed to.

If I'm asked to provide the help I offered, then I would gladly provide it... If I have assurances that the help I provide would be put to use seeking.
 
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I'm not the one who made the thread shift to being about global warming... it is about much more than the segment of the venn diagram where global warming and scientific denialism overlap...

there is another poster asking me all sorts of global warming questions and I keep trying to direct them to the right thread to post in and information which answers most everything they could bring up to question GW.


That's denialism at it's finest.

You can tell us you're a super-model all you like...

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but we can see you.
 

Grat3fulh3ad

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LMAO...
:comfort:


as usual you fail.
everything I said which you called bullshit, is verifiable as accurate and can be confirmed by anyone literate.
 
I spoke of how I see the concept of "Denialism" based on this thread and how to me it represents intellectual oppressionism (to ironically coin a term) on the part of those who wish to wipe away all nuances of dissent with such a term. That is an opinion on my part based on what I have seen here. It can't really be debated. Scientific data however can and should always be debated. If something is incorrect, show why. Don't destroy information that is outside your belief system simply because. No good can come of oppressivist rhetorical tactics such as the Denialist brand. Yes, if you label someone a Denialist instead of addressing what they say you must be an Oppressivist.
 
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