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obtaining the sativa-like high
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@ treefrog - Guess ill take that as a .... no? K thanks...
That was an interesting watch. Thanks. I deff feel that injecting it is totally different then smoking, but still funny to watch.
Im looking to try and get my hands on both a 100% sativa, and a 100% indica. Maybe it could just be the quality of the plants i've smoked that i just cant tell the difference. I'll grow them out till 50/50 trichs and smoke one plant one day, one plant the next and see if theres a difference.
But i assure you - i can go to any dispensary right now and pick up their best sativa, and their best indica and i wouldnt feel any different.
That was an interesting watch. Thanks. I deff feel that injecting it is totally different then smoking, but still funny to watch.
Im looking to try and get my hands on both a 100% sativa, and a 100% indica. Maybe it could just be the quality of the plants i've smoked that i just cant tell the difference. I'll grow them out till 50/50 trichs and smoke one plant one day, one plant the next and see if theres a difference.
But i assure you - i can go to any dispensary right now and pick up their best sativa, and their best indica and i wouldnt feel any different.
imho...just grow a sativa
there are only a handful of times where dispensary sativa's came close for me, a couple did "get me there", but they were very far and few between...
i'm guessing it's due to the bag appeal as well as how long it takes to grow them out, the bag appeal is like "wtf is this wispy stuff?", then when it takes twice as long as your average hybrid to grow it becomes "wait, you think THIS is worth how much $$$?!?! you're daft man, gtfo my shop!"...haha, just what my brain thinks is the reasoning =)
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Do you even grow? Man just go read, there is plenty of info on the subject.. Why should anyone have to explain something to you that's been covered and documented countless times? Read the OG FAQ, it's a classic and should be a must read for all especially the uninformed such as yourself. I could post a link to the online version, but it's on a different site. Just google "trichome 101 OG FAQ" it's article 1529 whenever you find it. If you know how to use newsgroups, it's there too, in alt.binaries.ebooks and also on a.b.ebooks.technical I think. The whole FAQ is full of some really good info, all noobs could start out with a lot less problems if they read that.
We harvest by trichs, because if you ever have grown a cannabis plant you would realize you get a different type of "high" when you harvest at different times. Like When the trich's are still clear then the thc content is still low and the resulting high from harvesting at that point would be weak and short lived and mostly in the face.
Harvest when cloudy/amber then you experience all that the plant can offer. Strong high and long lasting (depending on genetics) body/head, full flavor, aroma etc. Seriously this is all basic knowledge and there is a ton of info out there about it.
There is a clear difference in Sativa and Indica, I'm surprised there's even an argument over it. Get some good genetics that are properly grown. You can buy a top strain at a dispensary and it could seriously suck due to being grown by a noob or someone who hasn't progressed in their growing abilities and just grow sorry bud. If you get a real, pure good haze like Tom's Haze or maybe some Cinderella 99, Swazi Red, or some Herer and then compare that to your favorite Indica then you will be enlightened. Watch out for Tom's haze though, I hear it's a potent one. Anyone who know's what they smoke and smokes a wide variety of bud knows the difference.
PS: Some indica's are energetic, so yeah, there's that.
Agreed.
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FIREofKALI
this post says it all...i can only ad that theres much more various different effects from sativas than from indicas....there are lowland sativas which provide you much more heavy cloudy dense high with sleepy end like punto rojo than for example highland thais which gives you racy clear trance high....like mexicans change your visuality a lot, nd some africans give you eletric body high and so on and so on...
exact time of harvest is on every grower´s tastes, but matured bud carries much more quality than unmatured....
Yes... i do grow. ive done 2 grows with a friend, 2 grows on my own. I've also watched my friend grow for 5 years, my old buddies uncle's been growin since the late 70's... So, i've been around it as well as done it myself. But what does growing it have to do with smoking it and the effects?...
Im not really asking for someone to explain it. I just disagree, and that is my way of stating it. Theres a few different thoughts on why we harvest how we do... even some of the "greats" like Jorge have even flip floped on a few things.
And this is what i mean... you're telling me that "Sativa vs Indica" is a large difference producing different highs... and then you go to say bascially the same thing for amber vs clear trichs. Thats why i disagree... some people sware by plant genes, some sware by trich color. Each side has their person that will say "Just look all over, theres tons of proof"... but wouldnt the proof actually be in my experiences? It'd be different if i didnt smoke... but im a decently heavy smoker. I've smoked my fair share of Sativas, Indicas, hybrids, noob grows, personal grows, large med grows, breeder's grow's of personal strains. So i've played with good genetics. Lots of personal crosses with Hollands hope, White widow, and Jack Herrer... so? I dont get it. What is it you're trying to prove? Its not like im smoking bobby brown or brick buds... I've done my share of "tests"... and i've come to my conclusion.
Just telling me to search someone else's words doesnt always convince me when i have my personal tests. Maybe i'd believe the general thoughts on this more if i havent disproved it many times personally. I can take pure sativas, pure indicas, all amber, all clear/cloudy, ect mix em all up and not one person has put all the types to the right buds. Its not like food IMO - to a degree sure. But its not as definitive as how chefs can pick out exactly what ingredients are in a dish. All my friends that make such a big deal over "Soil vs Hydro" or "Organic vs Synthetic" and "Indica vs Sativa", but they all fail any double blind put in front of them. Maybe someone out there exists that can... Im yet to find it. And even at that - its just like food critics. You'll never get just one definitive answer. While there may be science behind different chemicals in the different plants - how they affect each person and at what levels can differ greatly.
If more people have an "Up, highly energetic" experience from sativas and have a more Sedated and relaxed experience from Indicas then it is definitive.
Sure some people will have different reactions but that doesn't mean the general consensus is wrong. Just because some people have an allergic reaction to a certain food doesn't make it unanimously poisonous.
One problem is many pure sativas aren't being used to grow, it's usually a hybrid or indica because of easy grow and high yield. My personal experience I have come across more that give me the sedated experience and only a few with a full on up "High". About 5 years ago it was half and half.
Don't wan to offend but you seam very green to me,with 2 grow under your belt .Have you ever smoke a real sativa (no street bag)Why growing was smoking relative is because you know what you grow and smoke
Two grows that no one else has had a hand in - it was all me. 5 total that i've been a major part of. I've taken over plants for people and finished them out cause they didnt have room, or just i lived with a roommate and we split costs/duties on the plants. Then the rest i was around, watched grows, helped set up, helped trim, and deff always helped test product.
I understand what you're saying by "Knowing what you grow and smoke". But here's my problem with this... unless theres pot DNA testing - How can i be assured what im growing is what im told? I can get seeds from a company, but one persons Northern Lights may be different then another's. And if you get clones from dispensaries - those are known to lie and switch names. So even if im growing from a "Known Source"... whats the chance its really what im told it is? Its not quite as obvious as tomatoes. Theres people that can tell the slightest differences between tomatoes, grapes, cucumbers, ect... but Ya dont see that for weed. Just way to many strains and such to keep track of...
If i havent grown "Pure Sativa" and "Pure Indica" and tried different harvest points - I wouldnt have as strong as an opinion as what i have. Cause you're right - street bags cant always be trusted. But a few years back i got in good with a handfull of growers who have helped me out and who i've helped at times. They know what they were growing... half the strains they bread themselfs. So i knew for a fact what i was smoking. And i just cant agree with "general consensus" on this one at all. Cause when you have someone stating how they can pick out "sativa vs indica" and "organic vs synthetic" ect ect... and they fail almost every time... I start to believe it more to be placebo effect more then anything.
Basically i just feel there isnt enough regulation on the product - so theres not quite a market of "Connoisseur" products. I had hoped with the expansion of "MMJ" would start this and weed the crap plants out... but its done just the opposite and made it 100 times worse.
