Please help me!

[Django Masamura]

I have a couple of White Widows in soil that are sick and only seem to be getting worse. A few days a friend decided to "feed" them a bucket of warm water and rotting fish guts thinking it would be loaded with beneficial nutrients. Within a couple of hours all the leaves have dropped right down. In a panic I flushed them with lots of cold water. The leaves have all curled in on themselves, turned dry and now the plants just attract hordes of flies. Please help me!

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

your plant is critical man that was not the smartest thing to do. if you can flush the plant thats what i would do first but seems like you fed with some really bad bacteria and im not sure exactly what that does besides murders your roots?

Hope someone with better expierence chimes in.

 

[Matanuskan Flo]

if flushing repeatedly, possibly w/ h202 solution & the plant does not revive, cull it & say goodbye. your friends a fricken moron. i guess his intentions were well, tho. just keep flushing as much as you can & hope for the best. you want to repot the thing too, for one, it'll help get some o2 to the roots since their soaked by now, & 2ndly, you can flake out the oild soil & replace most of the soil w/ fresh non stupid friend contaminated.

 

[Tr33]

gone, sorry. lesson learned the hard way.
nothing you can do except,
Keep friends away form your plants

 

[Fat J]

If its not totally dead and you have a local grow shop that sells compost tea ready made, u could flush em once with 1/2 strength humtea/other compost tea and maybe get the benes to munch the baddies? sounds shitty... he may have burned them too depending how rotten the guts were - but ur never gonna get ridda the flies n its gonna take 4x as long to get 1/2 the yield off that poor plant. I'd put her out of her misery.

 

[JamieShoes]

tell your friend he owes you 500 bucks in lost revenue.. he probably wont pay, but he won't do stupid shit like that again either...

sorry for your news mate

 

[Greenrocket]

Warm water and fish guts, flies !!!

He just needs to take a shit on your plants now to totally fuck up the karma.

The fish guts would have to of been some what rotten to have a immediate effect. So make sure you dont over react and create new problems.

Worst cast scenario, dig up the plants and flush the roots and put them in coco. Ask your local hydro shop if they have anything that may help heal root systems. I think theres products that provide healthy bacteria to roots if that turns out to be part of the problem.

Good luck lol.

 

[Django Masamura]

Thanx 4 the advice everyone. I kept flushing and eventually uprooted them. I took care not to break any roots and gently removed as much fishy soil as I could. I replaced them with sterile sunshine mix and re-potted them last night. Some of the lower fan leaves seem to be taking it well though they're also the leaves that are turning grey. I'll let you know if they pull through. I'm actually feeling a bit unwell from handling that stuff.

 

[Phedrosbenny]

Go beat friend with empty fish gut bucket.

 

[pearlemae]

Kiss'em goodby, kick yer bud in the ass, don't ever let him near another plant. Chalk it up to experience.

 

[OMountainMix]

I doubt you will save those, but more importantly, how are YOU? Did you use a mask when you flushed them? Were you in a ventilated area? Did you remove your clothes and wash them and get a shower? I'm more worried about what you said about not feeling right. Losing plants is one thing, getting sick over some bad bacteria is a whole other thing.

 

[cyberwax]

shiit man, next time come on here and ask before you do anything fancy

Attached some reading your should suggest to your friend.

Marine products can provide an important supplement for soil-building and crop nutrition. Fish emulsion, kelp and kelp extracts, and shellfish wastes are sources of key plant nutrients and vitamins. Fish products can be used as a sidedress, foliar or irrigation feed to supplement soil nutrients, particularly nitrogen. Most of the nitrogen in the these products is in the form of enzymatically digested protein, making it less prone to leaching than more soluble forms, but more available than the nitrogen in compost and cover crops. Each of these fish products has advantages and disadvantages that should be considered.

Fish Meal
Fish meals can contain as much as 12% nitrogen. There are several methods of transforming dried fish wastes into fertilizer. These are often stabilized with food and feed grade preservatives, and can spoil even with the preservative. Removal of the oil is an important step in both enhancing the nitrogen content and preventing rancidity. Fish meal, spray-dried fish and fish protein are less bulky and more concentrated than the other sources of nutrients. This is the most easily handled, shipped and stored of the fish products. The meal can be banded in or drop-slotted as a starter fertilizer, knifed in as a sidedress, or applied in solution as a foliar fertilizer. It is possible to use spray-dried fish protein in low-volume drip irrigation systems. When agitated with a drum beater, the fish protein easily goes into solution. Lines will not become clogged when they are properly flushed.



Fish Emulsion
In the manufacture of fish emulsion, the by-products of cleaned fish, such as the heads, guts and bones are cooked at temperatures in excess of 180°F to kill most of the putrefaction bacteria. The resulting product is filtered and stabilized. In most cases, the stabilizers used are sulfuric or phosphoric acid. Fish emulsion is more difficult to store and transport than fish meal. It is lower in nutrients as well. It does have the advantage of going into solution more easily, requiring less attention and maintenance to apply as a foliar feed or to inject into a drip irrigation system.



Fish Hydrolysate
The new technology that has increased fishing efficiency has also resulted in the taking of species or sizes not suitable for market, known as the by-catch. An increased catch of unsaleable whole fish has resulted from the increased by-catch of the fishing industry. These fish are often dumped overboard at sea, but are also brought into port in the holds of fishing boats. This has created an incentive to find a market for the by-catch in order to lower the cost of production.The liquid fish hydrolysate process minces the whole fish, then enzymatically digests, grinds and liqueifies the resulting product, known as gurry. Because it is a cold process, gurry putrefies more rapidly than fish emulsion and needs to be stabilized at a lower pH, requiring more acid. Researchers have tried formic acid, sulfuric acid, and others. Formic acid had phytotoxic effects on plants. Phosphoric acid is the preferred stabilizer. The hydrolysate process has substantially lower capital and production costs than fish emulsion production.



Kelp and Other Sea Plants
While most often used as a foliar spray, sea plants can also be used as a soil amendment, compost ingredient or irrigation feed. Wet seaweed gathered on the beach, washed and composted, can be a good biological source of potassium and trace elements. The colloids found in sea plants can improve soil filth. Kelp and other sea plants also contain relatively concentrated amounts of plant auxins, growth regulators and stimulants, such as indole-3-acetic acid (IAA), gibberellic acid and cytokinins. These can help promote rooting in transplants and cuttings, and also help to delay decay in mature crops. Kelp is a large underwater plant that accumulates a number of nutrients. Most commercial soluble aquatic plant products are based on the kelp species Ascophyllum nodosum, harvested from the North Atlantic off the coasts of Canada and Norway. These can be sold as meal, liquid extract or powder. Sea plants, particularly in liquid formulations, are often stabilized with food and feed grade preservatives to prevent decay. The powders, more heavily processed than the meals, contain lower amounts of nutrients and salts, but are easier to transport and store. According to some industry sources, the more heavily processed forms also contain lower concentrations of growth regulators.



Shellfish Waste
Several sources of shellfish waste have a beneficial effect on soils. Oystershell lime provides approximately 40-50% calcium carbonate, and contains nitrogen in the form of protein from the muscles left on the shells. The material is faster acting than limestone. Crab waste contains 10-15% chitin, a substance that has demonstrated ability to suppress nematodes. Additional nitrogen is important to help suppress the nematodes, so some commercial products are fortified with urea. Both of these products have relatively limited distribution.

 

[Greenrocket]

shiit man, next time come on here and ask before you do anything fancy

Attached some reading your should suggest to your friend.

Marine products can provide an important supplement for soil-building and crop nutrition. Fish emulsion, kelp and kelp extracts, and shellfish wastes are sources of key plant nutrients and vitamins. Fish products can be used as a sidedress, foliar or irrigation feed to supplement soil nutrients, particularly nitrogen. Most of the nitrogen in the these products is in the form of enzymatically digested protein, making it less prone to leaching than more soluble forms, but more available than the nitrogen in compost and cover crops. Each of these fish products has advantages and disadvantages that should be considered.

Fish Meal
Fish meals can contain as much as 12% nitrogen. There are several methods of transforming dried fish wastes into fertilizer. These are often stabilized with food and feed grade preservatives, and can spoil even with the preservative. Removal of the oil is an important step in both enhancing the nitrogen content and preventing rancidity. Fish meal, spray-dried fish and fish protein are less bulky and more concentrated than the other sources of nutrients. This is the most easily handled, shipped and stored of the fish products. The meal can be banded in or drop-slotted as a starter fertilizer, knifed in as a sidedress, or applied in solution as a foliar fertilizer. It is possible to use spray-dried fish protein in low-volume drip irrigation systems. When agitated with a drum beater, the fish protein easily goes into solution. Lines will not become clogged when they are properly flushed.



Fish Emulsion
In the manufacture of fish emulsion, the by-products of cleaned fish, such as the heads, guts and bones are cooked at temperatures in excess of 180°F to kill most of the putrefaction bacteria.The resulting product is filtered and stabilized. In most cases, the stabilizers used are sulfuric or phosphoric acid. Fish emulsion is more difficult to store and transport than fish meal. It is lower in nutrients as well. It does have the advantage of going into solution more easily, requiring less attention and maintenance to apply as a foliar feed or to inject into a drip irrigation system.


Hello cyberwax,

were I am from carp is commonly used as fertilizer. But it has to go through certain processes first. By the sounds of it the fish guts used Django Masamura plants has gone rancid.

There is flies and rancid rotten fish guts making him sick!

I dont know why I find this funny.

Seriously as omountainmix said be careful handling bacteria and good luck with those plants.