Anyone use Humbolt Natural nutrients?

[MAD DAWG]

I just made the switch from GO to Humbolt Natural (organic) nutrients. I am about 1 week into flower. I got the Natural Bloom and Deuce Deuce. They have a moderate feeding schedule and a heavy feeding schedule. My question if anyone knows is what schedule is the best? The heavy feeding schedule shows using the Natural Grow along with the Bloom all the way through the grow. If heavy is the way to go I will need to go buy the Grow. The moderate shows using the grow up to the 3rd week of 12/12. I was going to just use the Bloom and Deuce Deuce through flower. Maybe Humbolt Flavorful as well. So I'm unsure as to whether to get the Grow or not. If I need it I will go get it. I was going to wait till my next grow to get it or maybe use Master A & B.

Anyway any thoughts on the moderate and heavy feeding schedule would be appreciated.

 

[Phedrosbenny]

I allways begin with weak mixtures with nutes.

 

[MAD DAWG]

I allways begin with weak mixtures with nutes.

Thanks for the reply man. Yeah with synthetic nutes your right. But with organic nutes I haven't had any problems starting off following right along with the chart. I haven't used these yet, but with GO Bio Thrive nutes I was doubling those with no problems. Like I said in my first post, for the moderate feeding they show using the Grow the first 3 weeks of 12/12 and that's it. For the heavy feeding they show using the Grow all the way through. But the amount is also a little more. I thought someone might know which one is preferred.

 

[ShroomDr]

If you post the Guaranteed Minimum Analysis, the weight and volume, all three are listed on the bottle, you can get a ballpark estimate.

I havent used the product line. I am very interested in their Honey ES (or something like that), because ive seen one poster claim it was 10%Ca, which is unique as far as carb products go (most carb products are Mg & S; aka epsom salt).

 

[MAD DAWG]

If you post the Guaranteed Minimum Analysis, the weight and volume, all three are listed on the bottle, you can get a ballpark estimate.

I havent used the product line. I am very interested in their Honey ES (or something like that), because ive seen one poster claim it was 10%Ca, which is unique as far as carb products go (most carb products are Mg & S; aka epsom salt).

Thanks for your response. Here is the guaranteed analysis of the bloom:

Available Phosphate (P205) 10.00%
Calcium 10.00%
0-10-0
2.58Lbs/1.17Kg
1 Quart/946ml

Guaranteed analysis of Deuce Deuce:

Soluble Potash: 22.00%
0-0-22
2.58Lbs/1.17Kg
1Quart/946ml

I don't know what the guaranteed analysis is of the Grow:

N-P-K: 3-1-3

Weight and volume are probably the same.

 

[ShroomDr]

Humboldt Natural Bloom (0-10-0) Ca10%
1170g/946mL = 1.24g/ml
@10mL/Gal
N 0
P 142
K 0
Ca 327
Derived from:


Humboldt Natural DeuceDeuce (0-0-22)
1170g/946mL = 1.24g/ml
@5mL/Gal
N 0
P 0
K 298
Ca 0
Derived from:



Note the different application rates, DueceDuece wouldnt be used @ 10mL, so i used 5mL.

From what youve listed.

That 'bloom' doesnt seem like part of a 'two part', unless the application rate is never equal to the 'grow' (3-1-3) AND everything else is in the 'grow' bottle AND you use the 'bloom' bottle in veg too.

It is also odd to have a pk booster with the same g/mL as the 'bloom' and 'grow'. If you confirm this oddity, i can will assume the 'grow' is the same too, and could post up that assumption.

Can you list the derived from too? A majority of the time, it lists elements they left off of the guaranteed minimum analysis.

Interesting Fact: superphosphate is Ca and P (Wiki link to Monocalcium phosphate [Ca(H2PO4)2·H2O]) which matches the elements listed in the 'bloom'.





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[MAD DAWG]

From what youve listed.

That 'bloom' doesnt seem like part of a 'two part', unless the application rate is never equal to the 'grow' (3-1-3) AND everything else is in the 'grow' bottle AND you use the 'bloom' bottle in veg too.

It is also odd to have a pk booster with the same g/mL as the 'bloom' and 'grow'. If you confirm this oddity, i can will assume the 'grow' is the same too, and could post up that assumption.

Can you list the derived from too? A majority of the time, it lists elements they left off of the guaranteed minimum analysis.

Interesting Fact: superphosphate is Ca and P (Wiki link to Monocalcium phosphate [Ca(H2PO4)2·H2O]) which matches the elements listed in the 'bloom'.





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Yes the Deuce Deuce is the same weight and volume. It is derived from:

Ascophyllum Nodosum Seaweed and Sulfate Of Potash.

The Bloom is derived from:

Soft Rock Phosphate, and Kelp.

And the Grow is derived from:

Ocean Fish, Seaplant Extract, Quillaja Saponaria, Yucca Extract, Bentonite and Cane Molasses.

Below are the feeding schedules. Notice there is an 8 week - 9 week - 10 week moderate schedule, and a 8 week - 9 week - 10 week heavy schedule.

http://www.humboldtnutrients.com/schedules/Organic-8-Mod.pdf

http://www.humboldtnutrients.com/schedules/Organic-8-Hvy.pdf

http://www.humboldtnutrients.com/schedules/Organic-9-Mod.pdf

http://www.humboldtnutrients.com/schedules/Organic-9-Hvy.pdf

http://www.humboldtnutrients.com/schedules/Organic-10-Mod.pdf

http://www.humboldtnutrients.com/schedules/Organic-10-Hvy.pdf

 

[ShroomDr]

Humboldt Nutrients
Humboldt Nutrients Grow Natural (2-1-6)
1170g/946mL = 1.24g/ml (assumed)
@10mL/Gal
N 65
P 14
K 163
Derived from: Ocean Fish, Seaplant Extract, Quillaja Saponaria, Yucca Extract, Bentonite and Cane Molasses


Humboldt Nutrients Bloom Natural (0-10-0) Ca10%
1170g/946mL = 1.24g/ml
@10mL/Gal
N 0
P 142
K 0
Ca 327
Derived from: Soft Rock Phosphate, Kelp and 2% Yucca Extract.


Humboldt Nutrients DeuceDeuce (0-0-22)
1170g/946mL = 1.24g/ml
@5mL/Gal
N 0
P 0
K 298
Ca 0
S NOT LISTED
Derived from: Potassium Sulfate, Ascophyllum Nodosum Kelp, and 1% Yucca Extract.

Notice they didnt list the S in the DeuceDeuce?

Thier website is a joke, they list the 0-6-5 as the header for Natural Bloom (the pictured bottle says 0-10-0), and they have "HMBOLDT HONEY ES" as another header. They dont list any micros; trade secret or not, i think thats bunk.


It does say that HUMBOLDT HONEY HYDRO is 10% Ca.

AN, Technaflora, GH, Botanicare, CES, all add Mg & S to their 'carb' products (epsom salt).

Is their a lack of Ca in HMBOLDT?

 

[Willi]

...It does say that HUMBOLDT HONEY HYDRO is 10% Ca...

Strange thing! On their website they say:

DERIVED FROM:
Cane Molasses and Calcium Carbonate

Calcium carbonate is not soluble in water, except in connection with carbon dioxide

 

[MAD DAWG]

Yeah I noticed the difference between the header and whats on the bottle's too. For the Bloom they have 0-6-5 but on the bottle it's 0-10-0. I thought about e-mailing them about that. At first I thought it was a typo until I noticed it on both. Maybe it is a typo but surly they would know that by now. There may be a lack of cal/mag. They do have Sea Cal/Sea Mag. They have another product which I think is fairly new called Equilibrium which is a one part cal/mag. My local hydro store has been trying to get it in stock. Here is the guaranteed analysis on it:

Equilibrium
(1-2-1) Header. Bottle says 1-1-2

Guaranteed Analysis

Total Nitrogen (N)………….1.00%

1.00% Nitrate Nitrogen

Available Phosphate (P2O5)……..2.0%

Soluble Potassium (K2O5)……1.0%

Calcium (C)…………………25.00%

Magnesium (Mg)………..3.0%

3.0% Water Soluble Magnesium

Organic Iron (Fe)……………..0.25%

Derived From: Soft rock phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Crab meal, Magnesium oxide, Magnesium sulfate, Iron oxide, Solubor

Also Contains non plant food ingredient:

Kelp, Yucca, polysaccharides and honey

 

[Metalhead419]

I think the guys at Humboldt Nutrients hung out at an advanced nutrients marketing seminar a little to long. You might not be able to get much info from their sight, but you can look at all those badass labels!

It looks like they purposely leave lots of holes in their base nutrients so you have to buy their supplements to make up for it. Deuce Deuce is 0-0-22, don't think I have ever seen anything like it, but man is that label cool, guns and skulls, badass. I don't know, just my 2 cents.

 

[MAD DAWG]

I think the guys at Humboldt Nutrients hung out at an advanced nutrients marketing seminar a little to long. You might not be able to get much info from their sight, but you can look at all those badass labels!

It looks like they purposely leave lots of holes in their base nutrients so you have to buy their supplements to make up for it. Deuce Deuce is 0-0-22, don't think I have ever seen anything like it, but man is that label cool, guns and skulls, badass. I don't know, just my 2 cents.

Yeah man they do have some sweet looking graphics on their labels. A marketing ploy I'm sure but they are cool to look at.

 

[ShroomDr]

Calcium (C)…………………25.00%
Magnesium (Mg)………..3.0%

Ca:Mg = 8.3:1

That is an insane ratio. If MelFrank/pH/Lucas calls for 60Mg, this shit would put Ca into the stratosphere.

Just brainstorming here as i go... I havent used the product... That much Ca would start fucking with K (and Mg), unless your boosting the shit outta K too (see: DeuceDuece). As far as compared to other manufactures go, Humboldt Nutrients is a high Ca and K fert. Those already with interveinal chlorosis need not apply.

 

[ShroomDr]

Strange thing! On their website they say:


Calcium carbonate is not soluble in water, except in connection with carbon dioxide

Click ME!
Humboldt Nutrients Honey Hydro

DIRECTIONS:
Use 1-5 ml per gallon.

GUARANTEED ANALYSIS

Calcium (Ca)........................10.00%
DERIVED FROM:
Cane Molasses and Calcium Carbonate

ALSO CONTAINS NON-PLANT FOOD INGREDIENT:
2% Yucca Extract.

There are a few liquid nutrients that list calcium carbonate. Botanicare PBP line, GH FloraMicro, and i think their new CaMg+ (0-0-0), but i havent seen it.

 

[MAD DAWG]

Well I have read good things about Humbolt so I thought I would give them a try. I was using General Organics Bio Thrive line. I don't know how it stacks up against them but guess I will find out. I have limited experience so that's another reason for the switch. To gain more experience. Plus I've had the GO for about 5 months and I was told that liquid organic nutes start to go bad around that time frame. I didn't store them in a dark cool place so I thought I would get some new nutes and at the same time try something new. If I have problems using the Humbolt Natural nutes it will be the last time I use them. I was thinking about getting their 2 part Master A & Master B which are synthetic for my next grow.

I still don't know whether to follow the heavy feed schedule or the moderate. Guess I'll figure it out.

 

[Willi]

There are a few liquid nutrients that list calcium carbonate. Botanicare PBP line, GH FloraMicro, and i think their new CaMg+ (0-0-0), but i havent seen it.

CaMg + contains the same way as Hydro Honey molasses. I'm confused, I think it lacks information about what is actually contained

http://oda.state.or.us/dbs/heavy_metal/detail.lasso?-op=eq&product_id=17131

 

[Surfr]

That's probably why they sell the Sea Cal...

 

[Willi]

That's probably why they sell the Sea Cal...

It is getting more strange, Sea Cal contains calcium gluconate. I cannot find a source where calcium gluconate is mentioned as a plant fertilizer. You can only find information about human medicine

 

[ShroomDr]

No, 'their' refereed to General Hydroponics General Organics CaMg+. Just because the products share one ingredient, doesnt mean they are analogous products.

 

[MAD DAWG]

I also use blackstrap molasses and that's high in carbs, cal/mag, etc... So hopefully that will make up for the lack of cal/mag in these nutes. Like I said earlier, I still have some GO CaMg+ although I don't really want to use it. It also is about 4 months old and I don't know if it has started to lose it's effectiveness and go bad. Guess I could get the Equilibrium on line or go get the Sea Cal and Sea Mag. I wish these company's made smaller amounts as I don't run big grows. They will probably degrade on me before I use them all up.