dgr
Member
Didn't know if I should put this in the journals or in the coco section?
Enjoy
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=3789235
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http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=3789235
Grow Journal Deadhead OG
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OCkushKing
Member
if its grown in coco, why not share it with other coco growers? post it here brudda, you'll get more accurate feedback, coco is a beast of its own!
dgr
Member
I'll throw it here and see where it sticks
Here's a run of Deadhead OG I put into flower on 7/31. I soaked five seeds back in May. Four popped but one of them grew very weird and was put out of it's misery. The other three were all female
. I grew a few clones of them out once but wasn't happy with my performance with that entire grow so am doing another run to decide which one(s) I want to keep around.
My setup:
Ebb&Flow Coco in 1 gallon square pots
Pair of 2x4 trays under 1000W. The timing of the trays is staggered so this log will be for just one of the trays or 500W, if you like.
The Rezipe plus CalMag+ and Root Excelurator.
Tall clones put into flower when well rooted in 3 oz cups of coco
I had 17 clones of the three different mothers ready when I started. The rest of the tray was filled with a few different varieties -- Trainwreck, Afgoo, GDP, WW, SourDiesel and maybe something else.
Clones were potted into one gallon pots on 7/31. The coco was moistened with 0/6/9/5calmag at half strength plus 1ml/ gallon of Root Excelurator.
They were put into flower with one watering until they were showing roots at the bottom of the pots. Then they were switched to once a day flooding of 0/6/9/5calmag pH 5.4 EC 1.8. I let the pH drift up and only check it once or twice a week. Six days into a reservoir change and the pH has drifted to 5.9, the EC to 1.9.
The plants were hit with KoolBloom powder 1 tsp per gallon on 8/14 (day 15) and look to be thriving.
Here's the tray on August 11th (day 12):
And again on August 16th (day 17):
Here are some lineup pictures of all the plants [edit: day 17], grouped by mother. As you can see, I still need to work a bit on getting my clones the same size.
And finally, an upskirt shot from day 17. They're all blondes
Here's a run of Deadhead OG I put into flower on 7/31. I soaked five seeds back in May. Four popped but one of them grew very weird and was put out of it's misery. The other three were all female
. I grew a few clones of them out once but wasn't happy with my performance with that entire grow so am doing another run to decide which one(s) I want to keep around.My setup:
Ebb&Flow Coco in 1 gallon square pots
Pair of 2x4 trays under 1000W. The timing of the trays is staggered so this log will be for just one of the trays or 500W, if you like.
The Rezipe plus CalMag+ and Root Excelurator.
Tall clones put into flower when well rooted in 3 oz cups of coco
I had 17 clones of the three different mothers ready when I started. The rest of the tray was filled with a few different varieties -- Trainwreck, Afgoo, GDP, WW, SourDiesel and maybe something else.
Clones were potted into one gallon pots on 7/31. The coco was moistened with 0/6/9/5calmag at half strength plus 1ml/ gallon of Root Excelurator.
They were put into flower with one watering until they were showing roots at the bottom of the pots. Then they were switched to once a day flooding of 0/6/9/5calmag pH 5.4 EC 1.8. I let the pH drift up and only check it once or twice a week. Six days into a reservoir change and the pH has drifted to 5.9, the EC to 1.9.
The plants were hit with KoolBloom powder 1 tsp per gallon on 8/14 (day 15) and look to be thriving.
Here's the tray on August 11th (day 12):
And again on August 16th (day 17):
Here are some lineup pictures of all the plants [edit: day 17], grouped by mother. As you can see, I still need to work a bit on getting my clones the same size.
And finally, an upskirt shot from day 17. They're all blondes
OCkushKing
Member
They look great! nice and healthy! you should start vegging some clones now, that way you get some extra veg time in, you'll get a bit more yeild that way with OG! Ya know what, your setup would be ideal for a scrog! I bet you could easily pull a # of premium OG with a scrog!
NICE!!!! good to see some new genetics over here...
I cant wait to see some more flower shots!!!! keep em coming...
sweet selections you got there, i second that you should look into a trellis/scrog to even your canopy out alittle bit...
i think im gonna get some SFV seeds and look for a nice male to hit my original FIRE cut, i cant wait to start chucking some pollen at that bitch and having my own seeds to play with...
when u pop the rest of those seeds u planning on keeping any males???
p.s. how do you like the root excelurator? i love that shit well worth the $$$ IMO
I cant wait to see some more flower shots!!!! keep em coming...
sweet selections you got there, i second that you should look into a trellis/scrog to even your canopy out alittle bit...
i think im gonna get some SFV seeds and look for a nice male to hit my original FIRE cut, i cant wait to start chucking some pollen at that bitch and having my own seeds to play with...
when u pop the rest of those seeds u planning on keeping any males???
p.s. how do you like the root excelurator? i love that shit well worth the $$$ IMO
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dgr
Member
EastBay Thank you!
I'm so new, I still have a price tag. I'm glad I didn't pop all the seeds in May as I'm sure I would have ditched any males. Now, I'm getting more and more interested in saving some and seeing what I can do with them. I'll let you guys know if I find any males. Good luck with making some beans. Let us know how it goes!
SCROG, Bush, SOG -- When I grew my first grow of Casey Jones, I let two of the plants stay bushy and I was not happy with the yield or with the trimming I had to do. The girls are already 17 days into stretch in those pictures. We're on day 19 now. I have a number of different varieties in there. I also only have access to one side of the trays. I just don't know how well I could SCROG right now or if I want to right now. I might bondage some of the taller ones.
I think I will stick with SOG/lollipopping for now until I am a little more familiar with the plants I'm growing. If I do my job here, worse comes to worst and the community will have some more data points.
The Roots Excelurator seems to work well. BUT, I suspect that it caused a brown algae problem in this tank. I used it at 1 mL per gallon plus 1/2 strength 0/6/9/5 in the coco pots when I transplanted. When I first put these plants into flower, I planned on using the Roots Excelurator for the first couple weeks then changing the tank. I mixed up a tank of nutes 0/6/9/5 plus Excelurator at 1 mL per gallon. I chose to turn off the pump timer until the roots hit the bottom of the pots. The tank got this nasty brown slime while just sitting there with an airstone and not being used.
Roots Excelurator was the only thing I did different. Shortly after that, bilbobonger posted in here with a brown algae problem and he was also using Roots and he was going to leave it out of his reservoir on the next change. So, it's all Roots fault!
I'm going to mix up a couple jugs of nutes and test my theory. In the meantime, I will keep using the Roots but only in my initial soak following transplant and keep it out of the tanks.
I'm so new, I still have a price tag. I'm glad I didn't pop all the seeds in May as I'm sure I would have ditched any males. Now, I'm getting more and more interested in saving some and seeing what I can do with them. I'll let you guys know if I find any males. Good luck with making some beans. Let us know how it goes!
SCROG, Bush, SOG -- When I grew my first grow of Casey Jones, I let two of the plants stay bushy and I was not happy with the yield or with the trimming I had to do. The girls are already 17 days into stretch in those pictures. We're on day 19 now. I have a number of different varieties in there. I also only have access to one side of the trays. I just don't know how well I could SCROG right now or if I want to right now. I might bondage some of the taller ones.
I think I will stick with SOG/lollipopping for now until I am a little more familiar with the plants I'm growing. If I do my job here, worse comes to worst and the community will have some more data points.
The Roots Excelurator seems to work well. BUT, I suspect that it caused a brown algae problem in this tank. I used it at 1 mL per gallon plus 1/2 strength 0/6/9/5 in the coco pots when I transplanted. When I first put these plants into flower, I planned on using the Roots Excelurator for the first couple weeks then changing the tank. I mixed up a tank of nutes 0/6/9/5 plus Excelurator at 1 mL per gallon. I chose to turn off the pump timer until the roots hit the bottom of the pots. The tank got this nasty brown slime while just sitting there with an airstone and not being used.
Roots Excelurator was the only thing I did different. Shortly after that, bilbobonger posted in here with a brown algae problem and he was also using Roots and he was going to leave it out of his reservoir on the next change. So, it's all Roots fault!
I'm going to mix up a couple jugs of nutes and test my theory. In the meantime, I will keep using the Roots but only in my initial soak following transplant and keep it out of the tanks.
Yea man in my younger years i threw away alot of males i would kill for now (chemdd, straw d, sensi star, sour bubble, ect...),,, IMO you should FORSURE save a male or two, or atleast get some pollen if you dont have room,,,
I wouldnt do any scrog right now as you almost done with the stretch and it wouldnt work too well (never done it but am guessing),,, but theres always next time... personally after starting to use a trellis a few grows ago i would never grow without one... (check out a thread i made on growing with a trellis(scrog) in my sig.)
and sorry to hear bout your problems with the root excelurator, i handwater and only mix nutes when need them so i dont have a res. to check, but ive seen HUGE increases in overall root development (like really fuzzy roots and ALOT of them), its good shit,,,
I wouldnt do any scrog right now as you almost done with the stretch and it wouldnt work too well (never done it but am guessing),,, but theres always next time... personally after starting to use a trellis a few grows ago i would never grow without one... (check out a thread i made on growing with a trellis(scrog) in my sig.)
and sorry to hear bout your problems with the root excelurator, i handwater and only mix nutes when need them so i dont have a res. to check, but ive seen HUGE increases in overall root development (like really fuzzy roots and ALOT of them), its good shit,,,
dgr
Member
If I find a neat male I may have to drop a cutting off on the side of the 880 
I read your thread on the trellis. Good info. Did you make the netting yourself? How do you get a plant out when it's ready to harvest? How do you know when to stop tucking and let the buds go vertical? Do you get a bunch of miniature main colas or a bunch of down low buds?
It would have been nice to have something in there to keep plants from falling over. I had to severely train them because I blew the timing on the stretch (actually, I knew it was going to happen and considered topping before flowering but wanted one main cola). They liked to fall over when first being flooded and I ended up tucking and weaving them with each other much like a trellis.
Thanks man
I read your thread on the trellis. Good info. Did you make the netting yourself? How do you get a plant out when it's ready to harvest? How do you know when to stop tucking and let the buds go vertical? Do you get a bunch of miniature main colas or a bunch of down low buds?
It would have been nice to have something in there to keep plants from falling over. I had to severely train them because I blew the timing on the stretch (actually, I knew it was going to happen and considered topping before flowering but wanted one main cola). They liked to fall over when first being flooded and I ended up tucking and weaving them with each other much like a trellis.
Thanks man
If I find a neat male I may have to drop a cutting off on the side of the 880
I read your thread on the trellis. Good info. Did you make the netting yourself? How do you get a plant out when it's ready to harvest? How do you know when to stop tucking and let the buds go vertical? Do you get a bunch of miniature main colas or a bunch of down low buds?
It would have been nice to have something in there to keep plants from falling over. I had to severely train them because I blew the timing on the stretch (actually, I knew it was going to happen and considered topping before flowering but wanted one main cola). They liked to fall over when first being flooded and I ended up tucking and weaving them with each other much like a trellis.
Thanks man
... yo pm me....
yea the trellis is easy to make, just one trip to home depot about $50, at the most, and your set,,, all u do is make a frame out of pvc w/ legs, super easy, then drill some screws every 4'' and run string across the frame,,, and your done...
the good thing about the trellis is you tuck the branches until you FILL UP your area then let em go vertical (usually bout 2 weeks in 12/12, sometimes earlier strain depending), you can grow all kinds of different plants and keep an even canopy,
also around day 21 you trim up all the branches under the screen and your only left with alot of nice tops, no fluff/popcorn, i love it!!! and i used to lollypop and i think this is easier on the plant and ive seen a definite increase in yield,,,
i guess for now you can just tie em up around the room with string to make sure they get some nice light, dont leave em flopped over, cause then bud production slows down and the plant focuses on holding itself up,,,
dgr
Member
8/21 update
On the 14th, plants were hand watered with 1 tps/gal koolbloom in 0/6/9/5 solution. They pulled a liar, liar and started showing the CLAW a couple days later.
Looking back at the upskirt shot that was taken on the 16th, I can see that the leaves were just starting to spiral which I believe is the first indication of over-fertilizing. I see the spiraling in leaves that were developed before the KB treatment. I also see the leaf edges curling up in that picture on an older leaf.
Based on the above, I think that my initial EC is too high. I'm going to look at 1) cutting the cal-mag 2) Reducing EC further (at 1.8 right now) 3) cutting or eliminating the KB. I'm running 0/6/9 plus 5 calmag + and tap water. As I'm not planning on changing this reservoir for another week, I will have to drain it down some, adjust pH and see what I can see.
Tonight, except for one pheno that actually looks like it could use a little more N, they were all flushed with plain water and I'll see how well they recover. This is a bummer as I had some real problems with this halting development on my last run.
For my notes, here is the order they were impacted:
Most
OG1
GDP, OG4
----
Mild
TW
SD, OG2
----
Hardly affected
MAF
WW (looks like it wants more food)
Here are some pictures from tonight:
Claw
In bed
Same lineup on 8/21 (22 days)
Sour Diesel, Trainwreck, TW, TW, Grand Daddy purp, Mendo Afgoo, White Widow
I think this OG (plant 2) is going to be a slow finisher. Looks very sativa to me. Oddly, this was the least affected of the three different DHOG plants by me over-fertilizing.
Still all blondes (DHOG 4.2)
Thank you everyone for stopping by!
On the 14th, plants were hand watered with 1 tps/gal koolbloom in 0/6/9/5 solution. They pulled a liar, liar and started showing the CLAW a couple days later.
Looking back at the upskirt shot that was taken on the 16th, I can see that the leaves were just starting to spiral which I believe is the first indication of over-fertilizing. I see the spiraling in leaves that were developed before the KB treatment. I also see the leaf edges curling up in that picture on an older leaf.
Based on the above, I think that my initial EC is too high. I'm going to look at 1) cutting the cal-mag 2) Reducing EC further (at 1.8 right now) 3) cutting or eliminating the KB. I'm running 0/6/9 plus 5 calmag + and tap water. As I'm not planning on changing this reservoir for another week, I will have to drain it down some, adjust pH and see what I can see.
Tonight, except for one pheno that actually looks like it could use a little more N, they were all flushed with plain water and I'll see how well they recover. This is a bummer as I had some real problems with this halting development on my last run.
For my notes, here is the order they were impacted:
Most
OG1
GDP, OG4
----
Mild
TW
SD, OG2
----
Hardly affected
MAF
WW (looks like it wants more food)
Here are some pictures from tonight:
Claw
In bed
Same lineup on 8/21 (22 days)
Sour Diesel, Trainwreck, TW, TW, Grand Daddy purp, Mendo Afgoo, White Widow
I think this OG (plant 2) is going to be a slow finisher. Looks very sativa to me. Oddly, this was the least affected of the three different DHOG plants by me over-fertilizing.
Still all blondes (DHOG 4.2)
Thank you everyone for stopping by!
honestly i dont see alot of signs of over-fert., maybe its just me but no burnt leaf tips, leaves arent too dark green, they look healthy,,, but you know better than i do
what you call the "claW" looks alot like one of my SDxOG cuts that does the same thing, and i guess the 91chem, is related to SD, i really can see how there all connected,,, same leaf structure and bud formation on certain phenos,,,
im kinda interested in the really sativa leaves og pheno you got there, thats thing could be something special
,,,thats some GOOD genetics you got there brotha, keep it up,,,
what you call the "claW" looks alot like one of my SDxOG cuts that does the same thing, and i guess the 91chem, is related to SD, i really can see how there all connected,,, same leaf structure and bud formation on certain phenos,,,
im kinda interested in the really sativa leaves og pheno you got there, thats thing could be something special
,,,thats some GOOD genetics you got there brotha, keep it up,,,
ripvanwinkle
New member
nice grow.
did you sample any of the first round, if so what were your thoughts on the herb?
ive got 2 packs awaiting their turn, so i will be here till the end if you dont mind.
im excited!!!
p.s. any auto issues with these?
did you sample any of the first round, if so what were your thoughts on the herb?
ive got 2 packs awaiting their turn, so i will be here till the end if you dont mind.
im excited!!!
p.s. any auto issues with these?
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dgr
Member
Thank you rip!
They are still curing right now so I haven't tested yet. Been enjoying Casey Jones. I did find one seed yesterday while burping a jar of plant #2. That plant was flowered for several weeks longer than the others as it kept budding. I do not know where the pollen came from but It could have been from anywhere. I didn't see any nanners on any of the plants. Something I will have to keep an eye on.
They are still curing right now so I haven't tested yet. Been enjoying Casey Jones. I did find one seed yesterday while burping a jar of plant #2. That plant was flowered for several weeks longer than the others as it kept budding. I do not know where the pollen came from but It could have been from anywhere. I didn't see any nanners on any of the plants. Something I will have to keep an eye on.
dgr
Member
Thank you EBG. Last run, they really stalled and from what I can tell, it started when they started clawing. I was curing in half-pint jars instead of quart jars. It wasn't just the OGs that stalled. Maybe I'm a little gun shy this go around? I think I would rather try and underfeed just a little as it's easier to add food. Regardless, thanks for the info on chem91.
dgr
Member
Tracking impo'tant tank values
8/11 Brown Algae in tank? Bleached Tank. Changed tank. 0/6/9/5 3oz pH down.
8/17 pH 5.9 EC 1.9 down ~8 gallons
8/18 pH 5.9 EC 1.9
8/20
Initial: pH 5.9 EC 1.9 down ~12-14 gallons
Addback:
12-14 gallons H20 pH 6.3 EC 1.4
0/45/65/35 pH 6.2 EC 1.7
50 mL pH down pH 5.5 EC 1.7
8/21 morning
Initial: pH 5.9 EC 1.7
Addback:
50 mL ph down 15 mL pH up (oops). pH 5.4 EC 1.8
8/22
pH 5.7 EC 1.8
One of these days I need to sit down and determine how much the solids in my water are buffering the solution. It seems there is an initial jump in pH after adjusting then it steadies. I need to get off my lazy butt and take readings at the same time everyday so I can graph it out.
Hello sexy lady! (OG4.x)
EBG, I can't PM yet. I'm having some OCD urges to pop the rest of these beans. damn you scuba steve
later!
8/11 Brown Algae in tank? Bleached Tank. Changed tank. 0/6/9/5 3oz pH down.
8/17 pH 5.9 EC 1.9 down ~8 gallons
8/18 pH 5.9 EC 1.9
8/20
Initial: pH 5.9 EC 1.9 down ~12-14 gallons
Addback:
12-14 gallons H20 pH 6.3 EC 1.4
0/45/65/35 pH 6.2 EC 1.7
50 mL pH down pH 5.5 EC 1.7
8/21 morning
Initial: pH 5.9 EC 1.7
Addback:
50 mL ph down 15 mL pH up (oops). pH 5.4 EC 1.8
8/22
pH 5.7 EC 1.8
One of these days I need to sit down and determine how much the solids in my water are buffering the solution. It seems there is an initial jump in pH after adjusting then it steadies. I need to get off my lazy butt and take readings at the same time everyday so I can graph it out.
Hello sexy lady! (OG4.x)
EBG, I can't PM yet. I'm having some OCD urges to pop the rest of these beans. damn you scuba steve
later!
dgr
Member
Time for an update!
pH holding steady at 5.8. EC 1.8
Girls are mostly done stretching although it looks like OG2 is going to be a long legged distance runner. Ladies aren't bulking up quite as fast as I want but I'm an impatient bastard.
The OGs really stretched. Next go around, I am going to keep the clones shorter. The smaller clones ended up with shorter internodes which is what I'd like them all to do. Or maybe I'll try defoilating through stretch? Who knows? That decision is still 5-7 weeks away I would say.
What else? Oh yeah, found four seeds in my 25 grams of OG2 that's curing
Onto the pictures.
OG1 lineup
OG2 lineup
OG4 lineup
Ummm, Mendo Afgoo, Sour Diesel, GDP, WW, Trainwreck, Trainwreck,
Trainwreck
OG1 bud shot
OG2 bud shot
OG4 bud shot
Granddaddy Purple. I think this lil' feller needed some veg time. I might have to see what a SOG of these would look like. I smoked some GDP last week and didn't like it. Certainly got me high but I think my preference is the Sativa's.
Of course, gotta have the upskirt shot.
This is Miss Mendo Afgoo. As you can see, she's a natural blonde and likes to wear glitter when she dresses up.
pH holding steady at 5.8. EC 1.8
Girls are mostly done stretching although it looks like OG2 is going to be a long legged distance runner. Ladies aren't bulking up quite as fast as I want but I'm an impatient bastard.
The OGs really stretched. Next go around, I am going to keep the clones shorter. The smaller clones ended up with shorter internodes which is what I'd like them all to do. Or maybe I'll try defoilating through stretch? Who knows? That decision is still 5-7 weeks away I would say.
What else? Oh yeah, found four seeds in my 25 grams of OG2 that's curing
Onto the pictures.
OG1 lineup
OG2 lineup
OG4 lineup
Ummm, Mendo Afgoo, Sour Diesel, GDP, WW, Trainwreck, Trainwreck,
Trainwreck
OG1 bud shot
OG2 bud shot
OG4 bud shot
Granddaddy Purple. I think this lil' feller needed some veg time. I might have to see what a SOG of these would look like. I smoked some GDP last week and didn't like it. Certainly got me high but I think my preference is the Sativa's.
Of course, gotta have the upskirt shot.
This is Miss Mendo Afgoo. As you can see, she's a natural blonde and likes to wear glitter when she dresses up.
dgr
Member
I do believe I'm having a crappy day.
Crazy ex "misdialed" me and asked for a different guy. Then acted like she called the wrong number. She's a bit sick in the head. Nice to see she's back in the saddle so soon.
But here's the real reason why I'm here.
This looks like PM to me.
Any words to the wise? Hi temp hits 79-80 with an accompanying RH of 40%. Low temp hits 73 with an accompanying RH of 50% or so. edit: those were numbers before I put another tray under the light. I'll have to record the new numbers. I'm really tempted to pull every fan leaf off that has a petiole and hope for the best.
Guess it's off to the infirmary
Crazy ex "misdialed" me and asked for a different guy. Then acted like she called the wrong number. She's a bit sick in the head. Nice to see she's back in the saddle so soon.
But here's the real reason why I'm here.
This looks like PM to me.
Any words to the wise? Hi temp hits 79-80 with an accompanying RH of 40%. Low temp hits 73 with an accompanying RH of 50% or so. edit: those were numbers before I put another tray under the light. I'll have to record the new numbers. I'm really tempted to pull every fan leaf off that has a petiole and hope for the best.
Guess it's off to the infirmary
dgr
Member
Sorry for dropping that negativity in here. Guess that crap affected me more than I thought.
Here's an update:
Plants were hit with koolbloom 1/2 tsp per gal of nutrients on the 28th of Aug. Reservoir was changed on 8/29 to 0/0/9. pH 5.7 EC 1.0
Put a new tray of clones on the left side of the tent on the 29th of August. It's mostly a mixture of GDP, Casey Jones, DHOG. I'll post some pics when the clones don't look so nasty.
Onto the pictures for the heads reading this.
DHOG 4 from a couple days ago. I think plant #4 is going to be the best overall yielder and one of the quicker finishers. 1 and 4 are going to finish about the same time. 2 looks like she is going to take a long time to finish.
Mendo Afgoo from a couple nights ago. I know this isn't a mendo afgoo thread but this plant is growing so compact and nicely and so covered in trichomes. Even the fan leaves and petioles are coated. That's a white widow in the background acting like a Diva. The curling hasn't got worse so I'm letting her be.
And up her skirt, of course. Still a blonde for about 5 more weeks.
Here's an update:
Plants were hit with koolbloom 1/2 tsp per gal of nutrients on the 28th of Aug. Reservoir was changed on 8/29 to 0/0/9. pH 5.7 EC 1.0
Put a new tray of clones on the left side of the tent on the 29th of August. It's mostly a mixture of GDP, Casey Jones, DHOG. I'll post some pics when the clones don't look so nasty.
Onto the pictures for the heads reading this.
DHOG 4 from a couple days ago. I think plant #4 is going to be the best overall yielder and one of the quicker finishers. 1 and 4 are going to finish about the same time. 2 looks like she is going to take a long time to finish.
Mendo Afgoo from a couple nights ago. I know this isn't a mendo afgoo thread but this plant is growing so compact and nicely and so covered in trichomes. Even the fan leaves and petioles are coated. That's a white widow in the background acting like a Diva. The curling hasn't got worse so I'm letting her be.
And up her skirt, of course. Still a blonde for about 5 more weeks.
