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do you use a proxy server to post on this site?

wordtotheherb

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as above.

do people feel the need to hide their ip when posting pics and info on what they are growing?

also what country is this forum based in?
 

Sam the Caveman

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I've tried to use one, but they way my service is set up I can't assign myself an ip address. My service provider does that and if I want it changed I have to call them and give them a legitimate excuse. Even then it won't be an ip address of my choosing it will be another one they assign me.

I have high speed cable internet with a company that services the majority of the usa, this is the way they do it.

From my understanding of it, self assigned ip addresses can only be anonymous if you are using dial-up or public wi-fi.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I would love to be on this occasion.
 

Tony Aroma

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I've tried to use one, but they way my service is set up I can't assign myself an ip address. My service provider does that and if I want it changed I have to call them and give them a legitimate excuse. Even then it won't be an ip address of my choosing it will be another one they assign me.

I'm no expert on proxies, but I don't understand why you need to assign yourself an IP address. I've used both kind, web based and the kind you install on your computer, and I've never had to deal with IP addresses.

Proxies hide your IP address by acting as a go-between between your computer and the site you're visiting. Doesn't matter what your IP address is as the site you're visiting sees the IP address of the proxy.

For example, try http://www.anonasurf.com, the one I'm using now. It's free and web-based, so no installation and setup. Reasonably fast too, but you have to deal with lots of annoying popup ads. Only limitation is that some things don't work with these web-based proxies.

The best one is JonDo (http://anonymous-proxy-servers.net/en/jondonym), but its free servers have gotten pretty slow. It also takes a bit of effort to set it up. On the other hand, there are no limitations to what you can do.
 

Sam the Caveman

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Ok, so having a proxy server is protecting your identity from the website servers/operators.

I'm more worried about my service provider knowing what I send here, of which there is nothing I can do about.
 

igrowone

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Ok, so having a proxy server is protecting your identity from the website servers/operators.

I'm more worried about my service provider knowing what I send here, of which there is nothing I can do about.

actually it protects from both of those things
your service provider will see a connection to a proxy server, but won't know who you're connected to
likewise the website server will see the proxy address, not yours
 
Z

Ziggaro

No

If I ever get busted cos of it, I'll have to fight for my constitutional rights against illegal search and seizure. I just hope there's a non-profit organization that will want to help me :)

Unfortunately its not about whether your guilty or innocent, or whether they followed the law when you got busted. Its about how much money you have for a legal defense after they seize your assets.

The US government has far reaching powers, and influence in many countries so you might not be able to get away with using a proxy anyway. If they want to find you, they will.
 

Tony Aroma

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actually it protects from both of those things
your service provider will see a connection to a proxy server, but won't know who you're connected to
likewise the website server will see the proxy address, not yours

What he said.

Because lots of people use a proxy at any given time, there's no way to match up the incoming with outgoing traffic. In theory.

I guess, if your service provider is spying on you and monitoring your outgoing traffic, they could know what you're sending, but not where you're sending it to. I suppose that's possible, but I don't think they can do something like that without a warrant. But who knows?
 

wilburn

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Because lots of people use a proxy at any given time, there's no way to match up the incoming with outgoing traffic. In theory.

Your proxy service will see your IP address assigned to you by your ISP. Use another provider's IP address (typically by using their VPN service) which replaces your IP address with theirs. This adds a layer of security but that layer is as good as the VPN provider's unwillingness to give you up. Remember, the VPN provider sees your ISP assigned IP address. :)

There's no way around this problem. Your IP address has to be exposed, it's the only way for the data you send and receive to, well, er, be sent and received. You have to choose what you feel is the best and most trusted services which will all be undone with a subpoena.

I guess, if your service provider is spying on you and monitoring your outgoing traffic, they could know what you're sending, but not where you're sending it to. I suppose that's possible, but I don't think they can do something like that without a warrant. But who knows?

Knowing what you are sending is a fairly straightforward thing to hide. A VPN encrypts your data so your ISP sees a flow of unintelligible data. There are several other ways to encrypt but as you point out the issue is from what computer at what location is the (unintelligible) data coming from? Your IP address locates you to a very specific point of Internet service (house, office, cell phone, library, etc).

Some may say, "that could mean anyone could be using that computer" and they would be correct but this has been a fairly useless defense at trial. To make matters worse, The Dark Project http://ai.arizona.edu/research/terror/ is fine tuning Writeprints http://ai.arizona.edu/research/authorship/ which, like a fingerprint, locks you and the data you send together.

What all this boils down to is who is after you. The aggressiveness and power of your adversary is the key.
 

Tony Aroma

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Nowadays, there is no way to be ABSOLUTELY sure your data are secure. If somebody wants you bad enough, there is always a way around any type of security. The only absolutely, positively safe solution is to never send anything out from your computer that you don't want everyone in the world to potentially see. In other words, just assume anyone and everyone has access to your data and act accordingly.

Or, you can just relax and not worry about it. Unless you are involved in some serious criminal activity, nobody really cares what you send or to whom. You are just one of millions (billions?) using the internet every day. Use a proxy and try to be reasonably smart about your internet activity. If you have a multi-million dollar commercial grow-op, don't go bragging about it. But people who post a few pictures of personal grows to a site in the Netherlands are not worth the time and effort required for US authorities to track them down.
 

wilburn

Member
Right you are Aroma. The problem is that everyone, literally, is considered to be a terrorist and rather than go to all he trouble of finding your grow, they can let the grow find them.

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/05/70908

Yessir, there are several of these rooms situated here and there where the NSA ,who hubs out this information to the FBI (and down the ladder to local LEO), sucks down (reportedly) ALL Internet data flow (email, VoIP, etc) making LEOs job easy peasy!

Don't expect that the District Atty will be telling a jury that he got the info from the NSA (how about a shout out to our NSA :wave::wave::wave:), all the DA will know is that Local LEO has it. Local LEO who happened to be well served by our own FBI :wave::wave::wave:).

Fun times for all. :gday:
 
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