Organic Fanatic Collective

[MJBadger]

Some really great & imformative information on this thread , my thanks to all those that have shared it . Now i have to go back & read it all again .

Stay green .

 

[NSPB]

Soil Mix:

4 gallons local organic potting soil (no base nutrient value)
1.5 gallons peat
1.5 gallons coir
3 gallons perlite
1 gallon EWC

Usually, I just blend the soil in 10 gallon batches (1.5 cubic ft.) and then amend with the following list:

alfalfa meal
azomite
beneficial bacterias
blood meal
bone meal
diatomaceous earth
dolomite lime
dry molasses
worm castings
greensand
guanos (N, P, seabird)
kelp meal
leonardite
rice flour
yucca

This "cooks" for two weeks and is then ready to be used for the full life (veg and flower only, too hot for starting seeds or seedlings) of the plant by just watering.

However, I do use just the plain soil mix for starting seeds. A stong rooted clone can be placed directly into the full mix though...

Anyway...this is what I use for now...



NSPB

 

[Ghostwolf]

Thanks for the great soil recipe NSPB.

 

[fredcdobbs]

Good morning folks, wake and bake and tea time.

here's how to brew an effective tea.

Fill a 5 gallon bucket with water and use an airstone connected to an air pump to aerate the water for 24hrs, this will evaporate any traces of chlorine in the water wich can kill beneficial bacteria.

Ingredients (these are for 4 gallons of water)
This is a base tea, you can water with this every watering.

4TBS of worm castings
4TBS of molasses
1-2TBS lquid seaweed
2TBS of liquid karma (optional, substitute for humic or fulvic acids)

To feed the plants you add to your base tea:

2-3TBS of either high N or P guano

I don't use a cloth bag to hold the solid ammendments, I just dump everything in because I find it brews much better and the solids have a better contact and surface area with the rest of the brew.
The only drawback to the "no pouch method" is it can clog you airstone, what I do is keep the airstone suspended as opposed to sitting on the bottom.
Once everything is setup and the ingredients are brewing keep it bubbling for 24-48hrs loosely covered in a dark place, after 2 days you should have foam at the top.
Use guanos only when you want to give them a boost and not everytime as guano is high release, I use guano once high N in veg and 3-4 times during flowering, the rest of the time just use the basic elements and skip the guano.

Sub's

post #500

should i be able to use this tea with lc's mix & recipe #1 ?

 

[dank.frank]

yes, that tea will work fine with the base LC's mix....


dank.Frank

 

[fredcdobbs]

yes, that tea will work fine with the base LC's mix....


dank.Frank

thanks frank..only problem i've been havi with lc's mix is at 3rd wk of flower fan leaves started turnin yellow and diein...will try this on next crop.....one more question ..can i substitute kelp meal for liquid seaweed,and mycorrza for liquid karma?

 

[dank.frank]

yes, in theory...but you might have different uptake ratios depending on what / when you are applying things.

Teas aren't really my thing...I simply like to amend the soil from the get go and just add water the rest of the way...

I'd say that is a cal/mg issue as the plant is getting older, perhaps, or perhaps slight yellowing is due to root mass filling space, and if you simply pot up faster, you might avoid that altogether, without changing a single thing within your current nutrient provisions....

Just a thought...



dank.Frank

 

[rasputin]

thanks frank..only problem i've been havi with lc's mix is at 3rd wk of flower fan leaves started turnin yellow and diein...will try this on next crop.....one more question ..can i substitute kelp meal for liquid seaweed,and mycorrza for liquid karma?

What kind of guano are you feeding in weeks 1-3 of flowering?

Those substitutes would be fine, as it relates to the kelp. But why mych for LK? Those are apples & oranges. I'd keep LK in the tea, add mych to the container mix at 1 tbsp per gallon. Or toss it into a veg tea. In flowering teas I wouldn't bother, high amounts of P inhibit mych colonization.

 

[fredcdobbs]

yes, in theory...but you might have different uptake ratios depending on what / when you are applying things.

Teas aren't really my thing...I simply like to amend the soil from the get go and just add water the rest of the way...

I'd say that is a cal/mg issue as the plant is getting older, perhaps, or perhaps slight yellowing is due to root mass filling space, and if you simply pot up faster, you might avoid that altogether, without changing a single thing within your current nutrient provisions....

Just a thought...



dank.Frank

frank,its not slight yellowing..i'm in 5th week of flower and 75% of fan leaves have yellowed,died and fell off......these plants are in 1.5 gallon buckets..the next ones are gonna be in 10 gallon containers..do you think that'll help?

 

[fredcdobbs]

What kind of guano are you feeding in weeks 1-3 of flowering?

Those substitutes would be fine, as it relates to the kelp. But why mych for LK? Those are apples & oranges. I'd keep LK in the tea, add mych to the container mix at 1 tbsp per gallon. Or toss it into a veg tea. In flowering teas I wouldn't bother, high amounts of P inhibit mych colonization.

just tryin to get a mix together..havent used any yet..

 

[fredcdobbs]

just tryin to get a mix together..havent used any yet..

do you suggest that instead of 1-2 tbsp of liquid seaweed,i use 1-2 tbsp of kelp meal?

 

[rasputin]

You're trying to put together a tea recipe, right? Not a soil mix? If so, IMO keep the LK in the tea. The mych can be added to the mix you prepare for vegging plants. As mentioned, I wouldn't bother with it in flowering. Just my opinion, take it fwiw.

The liquid seaweed/kelp meal swap is fine. Per gallon I used liquid seaweed at 5mL, sometimes bumped up to 10-15 depending on strain. The kelp I use at 10-15mL, need a bit more as it's not as available right away as the liquid seaweed.

 

[fredcdobbs]

You're trying to put together a tea recipe, right? Not a soil mix? If so, IMO keep the LK in the tea. The mych can be added to the mix you prepare for vegging plants. As mentioned, I wouldn't bother with it in flowering. Just my opinion, take it fwiw.

The liquid seaweed/kelp meal swap is fine. Per gallon I used liquid seaweed at 5mL, sometimes bumped up to 10-15 depending on strain. The kelp I use at 10-15mL, need a bit more as it's not as available right away as the liquid seaweed.

i'm usin lc's mix with food recipe #1...when the crop that i have in 12/12 right now was in about their 3rd week of flowering,the fan leaves started to yellow,turn copper colored on the tips,die and fall off....they are now at 34 days and some of the plants have no fans at all..tryin to figure out what i can give this next crop that i have in veg goin to prevent this..the next plants that will be goin into 12/12(in 21 more days) will have vegged for 3 months, will be in individual 10 gallon containers,under a screen(scrog) under a 1000 watt hps...i've had the lc's mix cookin for 2 months and it's ready to go..this is a big step up for me and i want to do it right...really wish i had a camera so i could show a picture of leaves...do you think veggin for 3 months and being in bigger containers will help?...i appreciate yer advice.

 

[Cannasseur]

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[fredcdobbs]

went to wormsway today and got some stuff for a tea..here's what i'm puttin in a 5 gallon bucket:::...4 gallon water,4tbsp ewc,4 tbsp molasses,2 tbsp kelp meal,2 tbsp liquid karma...bought a little pump,airstone,etc at pet store and i've got it bubblin..does everything sound ok to you fellers?......ps: i drove 2 hundred miles(round trip) to get the ewc and lk..want to eventually get this thing right...please advise..

 

[jaykush]

id put more EWC. at least double what you got.

 

[fredcdobbs]

id put more EWC. at least double what you got.

it is done..thanks jk

 

[xmobotx]

Here's a volunteer from our worm bin (started in spring w/ a handful of native worms) came from tossing out the squash innards!

 

[fredcdobbs]

what is the ideal number of days to brew these teas and if they go bad will it be obvious?

 

[rasputin]

Fred, 24-36 hrs is a good ballpark. There are some caveats to that but for the sake of keeping things simple, 24-36 hrs.

They go bad when they go anaerobic, after 5-6 hrs without aeration they're a no go so that's the most obvious way. Dump it on some plants outside. There are other ways for them to go 'bad', ie; loss of diversity.