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Selfhemployed's 3K Stadium Scrog. R&C amdt. 20

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Hey man great minds think alike! Nah the exhaust isn't very loud at all, but I need it be extremely quiet, so that's where the muffler comes in. I vegged forever man, i had to take clones off of 4 week flowering plants and they took FOREVER to take off. That's also the reason they look topped, whenever you take clones from lowering plants they branch like crazy. They refer to it as monster cropping here.

Any input you've gotten let me know but so far this setup is kicking ass.

There is a technique you can use to keep your plant counts low and not keep mothers. During veg, only clean out the bottom fan leaves, not the lower shoots. Veg your plants normal otherwise, topping if prefered. 2 weeks after the flip, when your plants are towards the end of the stretch period (when most people clean out the bottoms of their plants), take clones from all the bottom shoots.

The clones will be nice and long, and shouldn't be woody at all. This is due to the hormonal stretch that was induced, but the clone is cut before bud production begins. The clone will still reveg, but only 2 weeks into flower causes no stress when revegging.

Some say you can take clones up to 21 days into flower, but I don't know about you guys, but I have some decent looking pistils by 21 days, not clone worthy. And I would worry about stressing the clones and needing a very long reveg period.

The reason these clones will produce a bushier plant when grow out is because of the hormonal change in the plant from being post-stretch, nodes and shoots begin to form asymmetrically and closer together. This combined with topping every generation will hormonally produce a bushier, higher yielding plant.

My personal belief is that bottom clones root better, not only because the stalk is softer, but because they are already some what ignored and nutrient-starved in the system of the whole plant. You are doing them a favor by cutting them and giving them their own environment and nutrient supply, they reward you by giving you roots. The upper shoots are already getting everything they need, if you take a cut from them, you are taking away from their needs and getting less as a cutting then they would when they are on the plant. I have no scientific basis on this, but if you don't believe a plant has a hormonal memory, go read the threads on trying to clone auto-flowers. The healthiest and fastest rooting clones (IMHO) come from the bottom ignored & deficient shoots of the healthiest plants.

This technique doesn't seem to work with mothers, however. Mothers get too big and bushy after repeatedly taking clones and being topped, and all those deficient shoots no longer get light and become necrotic. Those don't make for good clones. So cloning from mothers, you have to take top clones.

So the advantages of taking clones in bloom are keeping your plant count low, better rooting success, and bushier plants with every generation, resulting in higher yields and also more bottom shoots for future clones.
 
QUESTION: What type of dripper, drip ring, etc?? can I put in the pots that will have a high flow rate? I looked at home depot and every dripper I saw was like 1gph. I'd ideally like a ring that I can put around the base of the plant for even watering. Suggestions anyone?[/QUOTE]


Posted this in another thread, figured it might be more useful here

Get one of these
http://www.homedepot.com/Outdoors-Ga...atalogId=10053

Cut it up, and attach each end to a pvc T with hose clamps. You need to have a little bit of PVC on the T to attach the hose to.You want to get it out toward the edge of the pot a little, but not to close, maybe 2" in. You might want to do it in a short watering first, and then a longer watering to finish. That way the soil can soak it up, instead of running out the side of the pot. But you probably already know that.

Works great, but is prone to salt build up. Their cheap and easy to make though, and if your not using salt ferts trough them, you'll be fine.

You need a pump with a decent amount of pressure to get them to flow evenly. A little giant or similar will be plenty. A sump pump would be good also, but I don't trust them to be sealed up properly.

Hope that gets the wheels turning. Oh yeah, 3/4 T is real tight, 1/2 inch is a little loose, but easily compensated with the hose clamp.

Peace, MB:tiphat:
 

SELFHEMPLOYED

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Thanks for the suggestions guys. I looked at that hose but I don't think my pump is powerful enough to get any sort of pressure through there. I ended up just using 1/2" T and making a circle out of 1/2 tubing and cutting a bunch of holes in the bottom. I used edging staples and zipties to suspend them over the plants!


I will update with pics tomorrow night. One half of the room is screened and the other half goes up tomorrow! Damn it's been humid around here!
 

SELFHEMPLOYED

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Day 8 Vertical Scrog :yes:


Sorry for the shitty pic quality.

I have made some changes. Well actually concessions. The three ligths was too much heat for this little 8x8 room. I was going to just add an AC but I also run a 4x8 tent with 2k and that is Plenty of light. So for now I repsaced the lights and just have 2k. I'm shooting for 4z per plant and I think it's achievable. The third light wasn't going to add another 2 pounds. This winter when it's cold I'll try running all three and see the difference, but for now I'm happy as a clam. 77 degrees and it is still bright as hell in there!


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Scroggin Baby! :wave:
 

DimeBag65

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i like it! iv seen quite a few vertical set ups and this is a clean and simple garden, i will enjoy watching you finish this grow out, and curious to see how much extra yield you pull later running the extra light into the winter , best wishes on pulling the yield your lookin for :joint:
 
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nukkumatti

Looking good Selfhemployed!
Nice and easy access to the plants. I'm thinking and planning to get 3 possibly 4 600 in my room.. But the temps.. :D
Well jeah winters coming.. :)

Grow on bro!
 

250wscrogger

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I was originally planning on building my 3k stadium 8x8 but now I'm thinking 8x10 with 4 shelves per side/1ft rise, 48 2 gallon pots...hoping I can hit the #2+ per light mark after dialing it in. :blowbubbles:
 

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Thanks guys!

250wscrogger: They way I figured it is that the 8 foot length is totally full of light in my 4x8 tent with just 2, 1k lights and i can't imagine having a third one in there. So for my vert I figure I'm using exactly the same amount of wattage but have two canopies so hopefully I'll be able to nail minimum 2# per side. I think for an 8x10 room 3 ligths would be perfect. I don't think you'llneed to dial it in before you hit big numbers. The more plants in this setup it seems the bigger the yield.
 

Securityfirst

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Looks great. I just wonder at week 6 of flower and beyond isnt the humidity going to go up? Ive had a room with no ac and no dehumidifier before and it worked. Maybe get some plant yo yo's too to assist in holding the colas up?
 

danks

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you could throw a 400 mh super blue hortilux in there to get a sweet wavelength i love those bulbs not hot at all u can touch them and not burn
 

danks

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you would have as many lumens as 3 of their new dual spectrum bulbs and only use 2400 watts hehehhe gave out another secret if you dont believe me check out their lumens rating.
 

SELFHEMPLOYED

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Looks great. I just wonder at week 6 of flower and beyond isnt the humidity going to go up? Ive had a room with no ac and no dehumidifier before and it worked. Maybe get some plant yo yo's too to assist in holding the colas up?

I'm worried about the humidity. The humidity is causing the ac ducts in the basement to sweat and drip. Yikes! A buddy has a 70pint/day dehumidifier sitting around that he isn't using, so I'm going to plug that in this weekend. Usually humidity isn't a problem here at all. It is soo dry here. But this summer has been super humid. I can't remember the last time I saw 70%+ humidity in the Rocky Mountains. Yeah i'll probably put some yo yo's up or more likey just a screw in the ceiling and some garden twine. I'm hoping it's heavy!

you would have as many lumens as 3 of their new dual spectrum bulbs and only use 2400 watts hehehhe gave out another secret if you dont believe me check out their lumens rating.


That's a good call and something I've thought of, but I'm broke as a joke right now. I've got my hands super full with multiple gardens and helping some of my previous patients with their gardens. As soon as i have the extra flo I'll grab a 400 and put it in there. But at that point it will probably be cool enough to put in the 3rd 1k.


Thanks for the advice guys, I appreciate it:wave:
 

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