What the Kush?

[mriko]

even the same field will show considerable variation
if i could risk losing a leg to a land mine or a trigger happy 19yo occupier, i'd have sacks of beans to send in as freebies-lets give it another year and if things improve then it's on fo sho! I'm pretty sure that X-18, chitral and purple paki are just the tip of the iceberg-especially if i know them pakis! the above mentioned strains were most likely just seeds pulled of buds next to the highway in islamabad-thats my guess and i'm sticking to it-pakis can be very intimidating-especially when one gets into the land of pathans-chitrally may have been sourced by the kalashi though-it is their valley after all and they've always been hospitable to the foreigner-not saying i'm one or not
i understand i'm no breeder-but preservation can easily be done even by me

Man, no offense meant, but you seem to be full of prejudices and misconceptions about Pakistan.
First, "Pakis" is quite insulting, if you want to go there, better forget about that word.
Pashtuns are amongst the nicest & most hospitable people on earth and Pakistanis are not "intimidating" at all, they're just very nice, helpfull & welcoming people.

About the " above mentionned strains" having been picked from plants nearby Islamabad, that's quite a serious claim, which implies a lots of breeders are cheaters. What makes you think they come from Islamabad area ? Islamabad is a land of pure sativas and plants with indica influence are very rare if ever to be found.
The Kalasha tribes are not living in Chitral valley.

im cool with that and thats why i feel no real effort has gone into this region

oh, thank you !

if you have particular villages in mind mriko, I'd like to go ahead and send zakat there ahead of time to the elders-seen?
send me a private PM if your game mriko

I'm very sorry Burt, but I'll never ever share on the net any of my contacts in the mountains with someone I don't know, or even know as a matter of fact. It is just not possible.
Cannabis grows wild or cultivated nearly all over the country, it's not difficult to find a place with nice genetics. Chitral or Swat are a good start.

Irie !

 

[straintester]

Purple kush...cone only so not sure if it is a true kush
Master kush (didn't know it was arjans 1st cross. Thats some 1st time breeding)
Nepal kush
and OG kush( personally love it) are my favorites

I agree that some new kush (s) are more or less afgani cross than true kush genetics

 

[Burt]

"Man, no offense meant, but you seem to be full of prejudices and misconceptions about Pakistan.
First, "Pakis" is quite insulting, if you want to go there, better forget about that word."
this is the internet-how do you know this isn't the misconception i want to convey?
remember the beans collected for ben donkers? they were all rubbish!
the seedcollectors did nothing more than eat tikkas and drink meethi chai between gardha sessions-the seeds were collected from wild plants down the street-not 100s of miles away as ben was led to believe-he got played by the best players in the business-no denying that banditry is huge in the pathan culture-goras are still goras-no matter how many fistfulls of greenbacks are handed over
Swat is under a deluge-you don't have to share your contacts bro-i just didn't want to reproduce previous efforts
this could have easily been resolved via a PM from you!
"The Kalasha tribes are not living in Chitral valley"
are you sure? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalash
I have appreciated your posts and pics over the years-I respect you more than you know
peace

 

[DocLeaf]

Chitral sits in its own remote valley in the Chitral District of the Hindu Kush Region, Pakistan. The Kalash live in the next remote valley just up/down from Chitral. The people of Chitral are predominately Pakistani and Pathan in origin,, whereas the Kalash are predominantly Pathan and Greek in origin.

Pakistani varieties of Cannabis are predominantly sativa species... originally from India.

"Kush" varieties of Cannabis are predominately indica species.. originally from Uzbekistan,, and possibly Afghanistan.

Variation within the Cannabis gene-pool from the 'Hindu Kush' region ( a wide range) displays both indica and sativa types and their hybrids. Interestingly many of the seeds cultivated in Afghanistan, are bred separately by 'cannabis breeders' in the neighbouring countries of Uzbekistan and Pakistan.

Hope this helps.

 

[DocLeaf]

Chitral (x Skunk) [Nirvana BV]

Harvest from a different crop...

 

[Kush_Master]

some bubba kush im smoking on right now... wish yall could smell/taste it....im gonna go pack a bowl right now....it stinks up the room nice..anyone who walks in would automatically know whats cooking.

man that nugs look exactly like some herijuana i had going on.
round, bit of purple and hard golfball like nugs!

and it looks NOTHING AT ALL like my bubba kush/sensi star cross i had going before that.

weird

 

[DocLeaf]

Rainbow Kush (Purple Kush x Orange Kush)

 

[Burt]

"Chitral sits in its own remote valley in the Chitral District of the Hindu Kush Region, Pakistan. The Kalash live in the next remote valley just up/down from Chitral. The people of Chitral are predominately Pakistani and Pathan in origin,, whereas the Kalash are predominantly Pathan and Greek in origin."
thanks for the info-yes-me and my greek friends marvel over the kalash-in a NG from the 70-early 80's?, there is a fascinating article about the kalash and they even follow the stag ritual still-or did

 

[mriko]

remember the beans collected for ben donkers? they were all rubbish!
the seedcollectors did nothing more than eat tikkas and drink meethi chai between gardha sessions-the seeds were collected from wild plants down the street-not 100s of miles away as ben was led to believe

Jeez, that's quite serious accusations you are throwing at me, what makes you think I am this kind of person ?

"The Kalasha tribes are not living in Chitral valley"
are you sure? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalash

Yes I am sure. I don't know what wikipedia says about it and I don't care. I have been there, several times, and I know where they live and that's not in Chitral valley, but Rumbur, Bumboret & Birir valleys, period.

The people of Chitral are predominately Pakistani and Pathan in origin,, whereas the Kalash are predominantly Pathan and Greek in origin.

No & No. the People of Chitral are... Chitrali for the most part (local name is Khowar), and there's indeed a substantial pashtun population.

About the Kalasha, they have no link whatsoever with Pashtuns, at all. And the Greek link is only a supposition, never been firmly established as far as I know. There were blond & blue-eyed people in the area way before Alexander showed up.

Pakistani varieties of Cannabis are predominantly sativa species... originally from India.

Not that predominently actually. Some areas have very little sativa populations, such as Swat. And many of the local species have no link at all with India as well.

Irie !

 

[Burt]

"Jeez, that's quite serious accusations you are throwing at me, what makes you think I am this kind of person ?"
i'm sorry you feel that way-no where in my posts have i called you out-i'm calling ben donkers locally hired associates out-thanks again for the info-why are you getting so defensive?
As for Swat-it is currently under feet of water-no idea how this translates to preservation.
I didn't think this would turn so heated so in closing, thanks for all of the inspiration over the years!

 

[mriko]

i'm sorry you feel that way-no where in my posts have i called you out-i'm calling ben donkers locally hired associates out-thanks again for the info-why are you getting so defensive?

Sorry to be defensive, but since I have personnally collected beans in Pakistan for B. Dronkers, what you wrote sounded like some kind of attack out of nowhere. My apologies if I've been rude, no hard feeling here.

As for Swat-it is currently under feet of water-no idea how this translates to preservation.

These floods are catastrophic for the genepool. Swat especially considering overthere used to thrive a wild indica population.
Lots of patches & seed stocks have been swept away in many many valleys, and most certainly down south along the Indus as well.
Same for Russia & Ukraine (probably Kazakhstan as well, to a lesser degree) with lots of wild populations wiped out by the flames.
The scale of destruction is simply huge.

A very bad year in terms of preservation, if not the worst ever.

Irie !