AcroPhobic
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Yes .. we all have opinions ..
But there's a difference between opinion and fact.
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But there's a difference between opinion and fact.
Yes .. we all have opinions ..
But there's a difference between opinion and fact.
except as soon as you have one experiment where the outcome disproves the fact(such as S.E's case), then it's no longer "fact"...its just opinion like his(or you could call it theory to make you feel better)
when you have thousands of different genetics, styles of growing, and many different variables, there is no such thing as fact, besides the plant needing the 4 essential things. after that, its all opinion, and preference.
AcroPhobic
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It still doesn't prove feminized seeds are bad genetics because he says so. I was merely explaining fact and opinion are different. In his case, it's opinion, just like he said above, but his first post sounded more like he was passing it off as FACT to all who READ here - misinformation-, in which why HD, PD and myself commented.except as soon as you have one experiment where the outcome disproves the fact(such as S.E's case), then it's no longer "fact"...its just opinion like his(or you could call it theory to make you feel better)
when you have thousands of different genetics, styles of growing, and many different variables, there is no such thing as fact, besides the plant needing the 4 essential things. after that, its all opinion, and preference.
It would be the same if I posted on here that all seeds from seedbanks are absolute shit, when in fact , they're not.
In most cases - 9 outta 10 - its not the seeds fault .. its the growers own ignorance.
Hey all, how are everyones' grows doing? I have confirmed that all of my AK-47s are female
Just waiting on the C99xDCs and the Chuck-Ds. Tick- Tock, Tick-Tock...
Just waiting on the C99xDCs and the Chuck-Ds. Tick- Tock, Tick-Tock...
I think I'll go for a bubbler system after this grow when I re-veg and get clones of the favorite. Does anyone know of a container that measures ~17"x17"x6" I can use for this? I plan to use eight 2" holes with net pots and hydroton positioned around the lamp, and scrap the perpetual idea. I figure this will give me faster/ more productive growth compared to my coco mix. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
AcroPhobic
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My indoor has a month to go ... my outdoor started flowering.Hey all, how are everyones' grows doing? I have confirmed that all of my AK-47s are female
Congrats on the girls. Ever grow AK-48?
except as soon as you have one experiment where the outcome disproves the fact(such as S.E's case), then it's no longer "fact"...its just opinion like his(or you could call it theory to make you feel better)
when you have thousands of different genetics, styles of growing, and many different variables, there is no such thing as fact, besides the plant needing the 4 essential things. after that, its all opinion, and preference.
There are such things as facts concerning this issue.
See, there is a dwindling minority of folks who have ridden the opinion train for a long time concerning the worth of feminized seed stock...the problem is their opinions are unfounded. There is nothing they have to back up their position, yet they continue the charade as if they were learned on the issue.
And they don't accept facts, or the opinions of others if they dissent from their unfounded myth laden mumbo-jumbo. They would rather attack you and try to discredit you for trying to correct an unfounded myth, than to actually accept truths.
blwd67
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When I first read the CS thread it mentioned that in the early days of feminizing seeds the methods were not what they are now, so there was a higher occurrence of hermi. I personally have no idea if this is true, but it would explain how the rummor was started. Or whoever wrote the thread is just propagating the same untruths.
One of those subjects where info is buried in argument. Basically, feminizing doesn't create herms, one unwittingly selects a female with the trait.
Precisely. Perhaps even two females that are prone to show the intersex trait are chosen, which would give rise to an increased ratio of the trait in the progeny?
Properly bred feminized seeds are really no different from properly bred regular seeds. It all has to do with the choosing of the parents. Parent plants should really be grown out several times in various mediums, environments, and controls in place so you can identify the traits that the potential parent plant holds.
One of the most important traits (or lack of) is the intersex trait. A parent should not hermie easy. And the only way to find out how easy she is to hermie is to test her. Light times and other stresses are normally used to see just how easy she will herm...and trust me most all plants will herm if the right stress is provided it.
If you find a female that does not hermie at all unless you seriously screw up her photoperiod, then you can feel better about it actually being a good candidate for your mom. Now, if you have two females...be they sisters or unrelated, that are tested to not show hermie easy, and they have all the other qualities you want, then they are two good potential breeders, no matter if you want to breed them together, or to a male.
BUT...you need to go through a much more rigorous program to find a male that is suitable for breeding. But if you do the work and find a male that is worthy, both his pollen, and the other females pollen can be used with no worries of any of them contributing a high propensity to hermie in future generations.
There are indeed some issues to consider when forcing a female to pollinate herself, but that is a bit past this discussion.
blwd67, some of those old discussions and reports were based on plants that were not very good candidates for breeding, and as a result the conclusions made were made based on stock that had a high propensity to show intersex.
Also, lots has been learned of late of how sex actually is manipulated in cannabis, some of which escaped some of the early conclusion makers.
Properly bred feminized seeds are really no different from properly bred regular seeds. It all has to do with the choosing of the parents. Parent plants should really be grown out several times in various mediums, environments, and controls in place so you can identify the traits that the potential parent plant holds.
One of the most important traits (or lack of) is the intersex trait. A parent should not hermie easy. And the only way to find out how easy she is to hermie is to test her. Light times and other stresses are normally used to see just how easy she will herm...and trust me most all plants will herm if the right stress is provided it.
If you find a female that does not hermie at all unless you seriously screw up her photoperiod, then you can feel better about it actually being a good candidate for your mom. Now, if you have two females...be they sisters or unrelated, that are tested to not show hermie easy, and they have all the other qualities you want, then they are two good potential breeders, no matter if you want to breed them together, or to a male.
BUT...you need to go through a much more rigorous program to find a male that is suitable for breeding. But if you do the work and find a male that is worthy, both his pollen, and the other females pollen can be used with no worries of any of them contributing a high propensity to hermie in future generations.
There are indeed some issues to consider when forcing a female to pollinate herself, but that is a bit past this discussion.
blwd67, some of those old discussions and reports were based on plants that were not very good candidates for breeding, and as a result the conclusions made were made based on stock that had a high propensity to show intersex.
Also, lots has been learned of late of how sex actually is manipulated in cannabis, some of which escaped some of the early conclusion makers.
Can you breed with female seed? I can't remember where I read it, but it was to the effect of female seeds shouldn't be used for breeding due to a higher probability of herms. Is this true or is it based on the same old information? I've never tried to breed with female seed, but seeing how the seed companies select elite females essentially making a clone in seed form, wouldn't these be better candidates for breeding? Would the male:female ratio be skewed to the female side?
Thanks Acro. I have not tried the AK-48, but I am definitely interested. Serious Seeds are pretty pricey, but I have to say I'm completely satisfied with the results. I'd also love to try their Kali Mist. Nirvana's surely got some kick-ass gear for great prices, I'm doing Chrystal outdoors this year and they're doing awesome! I can't wait to try it, the description sounds killer. I'd also like to try the Blue Mystic and Bubblicious. Has anyone grown any of these? What are your thoughts?
Yes, that was all based on the skirted knowledge that folks had at one time.
And you are thinking in the right direction, because if done properly both parents will be of good breeding stock and female seeds should be an excellent choice to use for breeding.
Regular seed stock should be fine too if parents were proper breeders, but like I said, it takes a whole lot more work, time, and space to assess the worth of males for a breeding program.
Also consider that if a breeder is going to produce a fem reproduction of one of their standards, the breeder is going to select far better than anyone else could to find the parental plants. The results should be top of the line for that cultivar, IMO.
And you are thinking in the right direction, because if done properly both parents will be of good breeding stock and female seeds should be an excellent choice to use for breeding.
Regular seed stock should be fine too if parents were proper breeders, but like I said, it takes a whole lot more work, time, and space to assess the worth of males for a breeding program.
Also consider that if a breeder is going to produce a fem reproduction of one of their standards, the breeder is going to select far better than anyone else could to find the parental plants. The results should be top of the line for that cultivar, IMO.
AcroPhobic
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I haven't myself .. but a very close friend has grown out 10 Blue Mystics. 7 females / 3males. Out of 7 fems she kept 3 as mothers and they are stinky,potent and taste good. One has a pineyskunk smell, the other a fruity/berry smell and last is straight skunk.
I've smoked all three cured for 6 months and the pineyskunk and fruitberry were the best in my opinion.
Nice bag appeal .. great smell n taste .. good high overall.
Flipped the 150 cab to 12/12 today or this morning.
They are Paradise Seeds Belladonnas and hope to get atleast 1 female. Wouldnt mind a male as I could make more seeds but if I get two females thats great too thats just more bud to harvest. If I get two males...well that will mostly be a failure with a little bit of pollen collected for future breeding.
Here is a pic of the two that are in the cab right now after the first long night.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=21811&pictureid=459001http://s809.photobucket.com/albums/zz18/doworakmang/?action=view¤t=BelladonnasDay112-12.jpg
I know there are a couple yellow leaves towards the bottom of the plant as they were starting to go through withdrawls from lack of nitrogen and magnesium but that has easily been corrected since then.
They were vegged for 33 days from sprout. They have both been topped and LSTd and their restraints have been removed after initial training. Seeds were sprouted in peat pellets then into beer cups then to 2 liters then to 2 gallon grow bags now. There is a layer of hydroton in the bottom of each bag to aid drainage. I am using Fox Farms Ocean Forest potting soil mixed with an additional 1/3 perlite. Works great so far. I am only using blackstrap molasses, Fox Farm Big Bloom, and Alaska Fish Fert 5-1-1. Having really good results so far with my organics since this is my first time going purely organic. I also plan to get some high n and high p guanos for making veg n flower teas in the near future as well.
I have taken two clones off each that are rooted and vegging along with my 3 autoflowers that are almost done flowering (ripening) and I just started two White Label White Skunks the other day. One has popped above soil already the other hasnt.
Funny thing is I ordered three kinds of seeds and ended up getting really similar genetics on accident.
I ordered:
Paradise Seeds Belladonna (Super Skunk x Mostly sativa male)
White Label White Skunk (White Widow x Super Skunk)
Buddah Seeds White Dwarfs AUTOS (White Widow x Lowryder#2)
Kinda funny but whatever they all seem to be growing really well and 100% success with germination thus far I am happy as this is my first time with good genetics and not using bagseeds. Finally got the balls to order some and it worked so I was happy. Will never grow bagseed again and look forward to trying a variety of great genetics!
I donno I guess thats probably all that I have for you guys right now so should hopefully keep up posting updates through flower and shouldnt be too long til harvest either this strain flowers in 55-60days so its a quick one relatively!
They are Paradise Seeds Belladonnas and hope to get atleast 1 female. Wouldnt mind a male as I could make more seeds but if I get two females thats great too thats just more bud to harvest. If I get two males...well that will mostly be a failure with a little bit of pollen collected for future breeding.
Here is a pic of the two that are in the cab right now after the first long night.
http://www.icmag.com/ic/album.php?albumid=21811&pictureid=459001http://s809.photobucket.com/albums/zz18/doworakmang/?action=view¤t=BelladonnasDay112-12.jpg
I know there are a couple yellow leaves towards the bottom of the plant as they were starting to go through withdrawls from lack of nitrogen and magnesium but that has easily been corrected since then.
They were vegged for 33 days from sprout. They have both been topped and LSTd and their restraints have been removed after initial training. Seeds were sprouted in peat pellets then into beer cups then to 2 liters then to 2 gallon grow bags now. There is a layer of hydroton in the bottom of each bag to aid drainage. I am using Fox Farms Ocean Forest potting soil mixed with an additional 1/3 perlite. Works great so far. I am only using blackstrap molasses, Fox Farm Big Bloom, and Alaska Fish Fert 5-1-1. Having really good results so far with my organics since this is my first time going purely organic. I also plan to get some high n and high p guanos for making veg n flower teas in the near future as well.
I have taken two clones off each that are rooted and vegging along with my 3 autoflowers that are almost done flowering (ripening) and I just started two White Label White Skunks the other day. One has popped above soil already the other hasnt.
Funny thing is I ordered three kinds of seeds and ended up getting really similar genetics on accident.
I ordered:
Paradise Seeds Belladonna (Super Skunk x Mostly sativa male)
White Label White Skunk (White Widow x Super Skunk)
Buddah Seeds White Dwarfs AUTOS (White Widow x Lowryder#2)
Kinda funny but whatever they all seem to be growing really well and 100% success with germination thus far I am happy as this is my first time with good genetics and not using bagseeds. Finally got the balls to order some and it worked so I was happy. Will never grow bagseed again and look forward to trying a variety of great genetics!
I donno I guess thats probably all that I have for you guys right now so should hopefully keep up posting updates through flower and shouldnt be too long til harvest either this strain flowers in 55-60days so its a quick one relatively!
Thanks Hoosier and Acro. I have found out that one of my Chuck-Ds is female and that one of my C99xDC is a male. I'll post update pics tomorrow. I'm pretty stoked about the male actually as I can't wait to start a breeding project with him. What's this "cubing" I've been hearing about? How is it performed? Is it possible to cube out the C99 and the Deep Chunk to their (or closer to) their original parental lines? This would be fascinating. Any more breeding wisdom I can shake out of you fellas/lasses? Thanks.
How's everyone doing? I've found that my other C99xDC is female Hooray! I'll surely make some F2s from her and her brother (that sounds very wrong). Still waiting on the last Chuck-D to cross the finish line (or starting line rather). Five seed plants showing female out of seven, and one unknown. I can't complain about that. Good luck and safe growing to all!
Hooray! I'll surely make some F2s from her and her brother (that sounds very wrong). Still waiting on the last Chuck-D to cross the finish line (or starting line rather). Five seed plants showing female out of seven, and one unknown. I can't complain about that. Good luck and safe growing to all!
blwd67
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Hey I've got a kind of random question; apparently my well water goes through a water softener. I just found this out a week or so ago, and just found out last night that this is a serious problem. Can anyone shed some more light on this please? So far all I've gathered is that it takes up Calcium and Magnesium and puts Sodium in the water, making it unusable for plants. Now, I have been having problems since the beginning, and this would account for most of them. If it really isn't a huge deal with the water softener then I'll look elsewhere for the answer to my problems.
