Ak47 Lineage?

[RollmeoneKenobi]

I think I had an epifany! Could AK47 be an inbred Skunk/NL cross. That would be the same landrace stock as listed by serious seeds. For example AK47 is listed as Columbian, Mexican, Afgahni, and Thai. Skunk No.1 is Columbian, Mexican, Afgahni, and Northern Lights 2 is Afghani (Hindu Kush to be specific) and Thai. It's just a thought i hand looking at the two(Ak47 from Serious Seeds, and "The Pure" Skunk 1 From TFD) in Ed Rosenthal's Big book of Buds Vol. 1. It could also be a Skunk/thai cross similar to Thaitanic.

 

[TNJed]

Mexican x Colombian x Afghan.... in some combination

 

[englishrick]

if i remember correctly , AK47 is actualy a skunkhaze rework!!,,,,its a very good rework, but a rework is still a rework,,, no matter ,,,its still amazing work

i think AK47 is basicly sams baby,,,,i think sam might have even done the initial breeding and even the initial rework,,i think the idea was to make a managable haze type



this is the story from the "breeders history" thread, all the info is here at icmag in the breeders section

Simon taught biology at a highschool when Alan Dronkers asked him to come and work at Sensi Seeds. It was quite a carreer change to do that but he never felt sorry about it. After some time working for Sensi he left and started a seed company with some American pot refugees. That year (1994) the AK-47 as well as the Chronoc won prices at the American Cannabis Cup festival in Amsterdam. That first seed company with the Americanshowever fell apart soon, and in 1995 Serious Seeds was grounded. It has always been a Serious policy to have the products grown from the different seeds available to trie out in some of the best coffeeshops in Amsterdam. The 'Greenhouse' is one of those coffeeshops which carries Serious' products to smoke from the start in 1995 to this date. Greenhouse coffeeshop won a Cannabis Cup in 1995 with the Kalimist grown by Serious Seeds. In 1996 another famous Amsterdam coffeeshop the 'Dampkring' won the Overall Cup at that years Cannabis Cup with the newest Serious strain White Russian. Another serious shop from the early days is the 'Blue Bird' and recently also the 'Dread Rock', they really sell what is listed instead of anything under an often asked for name.


Serious has always been a small company, and prefers to stay like that. We love to smoke ourselves and basically trie to develop new and interesting plants to grow and smoke for our own pleasure as well as for our clients.

This means we don't work to produce some- thing new every year for commercial reasons or to compete in the next contest. We want to put a new name out when we think we have something worth while for pot growers and smokers to trie out.

F1 hybrid - first generation offspring of 2 (usually different and unrelated) parents
Germination - the sprouting of a seed, the tip of the root appears first
Indica - referring to type of plant which looks short, bushy, leafy with broad leafs, grows a dense, compact bud in a shorter flowering time than another type of plant; Sativa
Medicinal plant - plant seemingly useful for certain groups of patients (usually with high concentration of THC, possibly combined with other cannabinoids)
Sativa – type of plant which looks tall, slender, with open in stead of dense buds, long flower times, but with usually better smoking effect than other type of plant; indica
Strain – a line of plants from common ancestors with certain characteristics
THC – short for the molecule responsible for the High effect in Cannabis


Plant of the Year 2003: Serious Seeds 'AK47'
It seems strange to choose as ‘PLANT OF THE YEAR’ a plant, which has been around for almost ten years. The prestigious ‘High Times’ magazine made the decision And was published in the December issue. What was the reason for this?

The original article was written by Jorge Cervantas, the author of ‘Indoor Marihuana Horticulture’ and a regular co-writer for the American magazine. He told me that he wasn’t part of the group who came to this decision but merely got the order to write the story. Since he doesn’t live in the US any more he is not aware of all the things going on at the office. When contacting the SERIOUS SEEDS office I didn’t get much wiser. It was a surprise to them also. Although they stated that it was a well-earned price for a plant, which, notwithstanding the fact that it won more awards than any other plant known, still was never trumpeted about much.

Could that be it? Surely the AK-47 is a well-known name in the cannabis scene since Serious Seeds coined it in 1995. But when scanning through old magazines I have to admit that little attention was given to it in articles. The fact that it is well known amongst growers is mostly from own experience and from their opinions given in chat rooms on the Internet. But when you look at a well-known name like ‘White Widow’ another plant thrown into the world by Dutch breeders at about the same time as the ‘AK-47’ the latter seems under snowed by the first. For years the name ‘White Widow’ was heard everywhere. But now, almost ten years later it seems that the AK-47 has been gaining popularity over the years and was slowly but surely growing out to be such an acknowledged and reliable champion that there was enough reason to have it chosen as plant of the year 2004. The popularity of this plant is not due to some successful and carefully planned campaign. No, it came from what matters; from the experience of growers everywhere buying the seeds and liking the results they got from them. They made the plant popular and if this is the reason for the ‘Plant of the year’ choice than it is indeed a rightful one.

An ongoing phenomenon with popular seed names, which has been seen for years, is that other Companies like to use those names. They start selling seeds under either the same or almost the same name as the original. People who don’t know the name of the companies who produced the original seed names are an easy victim when they ask for this name and get a cheap imitation in stead. At this moment for example is the ‘Nirvana’seed company doing exactly that. They sell a seed with the name of ‘AK-48’, how original can you be? But that’s not all. When you compare the description of this strain at their website with that of ‘AK-47’ by Serious Seeds it is impossible to see a difference. They copied it till the last letter, won awards and all!! This is not only parasiting on the popularity of reputable seed companies, it is cheating and robbing people who are not aware of what is going on. Practices like this are the cause of bad raps in the cannabis scene. Although ‘Nirvana’ is not the only seed producer making money like this, they seem to be the leading company when it comes to parasiting on popular names.

Facts of AK-47:

The name does not refer to any violent idea but was chosen because it is a ‘one hit wonder’
At least 7 awards were gathered over the years in different weed festivals
With 20% THC the strongest entry at the Amsterdam’ Cannabis Cup of 1999 (2nd place)
The name AK-47 is sometimes also used by other seed companies than Serious Seeds, this is a common thing when certain names become popular (BEWARE!)
The original packaging comes in an airtight tube containing 15 seeds attached to a card with a picture of the strain on the front and a serial number, which must be kept in case problems do occur
Please look for the original packaging when you buy Serious Seeds strains or you know they are copies


Pirated from a post by Hibridizer on another site

 

[TNJed]

if i remember correctly , AK47 is actualy a skunkhaze rework!!,,,,its a very good rework, but a rework is still a rework,,, no matter ,,,its still amazing work

i think AK47 is basicly sams baby,,,,i think sam might have even done the initial breeding and even the initial rework,,i think the idea was to make a managable haze type



this is the story from the "breeders history" thread, all the info is here at icmag in the breeders section

You did a much better job at answering the question than my lazy ass did! Lol!

 

[RollmeoneKenobi]

At least we agree it's a rework of some skunk derivative. I think kali mist is an inbred haze/skunk, too.

 

[englishrick]

lol,,,that comes from smokin too mutch an lookin at icmag

i hate to re-itterate sams words from memeory,,,but anyways,,,im sure sam said bigsure hollyweed was a haze type that he had neve seen beffore,,,,,

i heard kalimist came to simon and tony as a clone when they co-woned a seed company backintheday,,,,no1 knew what it was "ithink",,,,[lol, sam probbly did],,,but ayways,,,,,,simon took it into an indica direction,, tony took it in the sativa direction calling it "westernwinds",,,ither way i dont think ive heard anyone call it a hazetype,,,pure sativa maybe but i dont think its a haze cross,,,,i think its probbly lucky pure-sat landrace cross,,[but thats just imo]

 

[Raco]

From Sensi´s forum

"Originally posted by Ganja

Bit of a convoluted story.

As I understand it AK-47 - a pure Afghani hash plant with outstanding resin production and an exceptionally fast flowering time (hence the 47 part of the name) - was around since the Eighties.

The 'AK' is said by some to be a reference to Afghan Kush, ie from the Afghan part of the Hindu Kush mountain range or (meaning almost the same thing) a kush plant from Afghanistan.

The two meanings tied together very well as AK-47, since this was a strain that was brought out of Afghanistan around the time of the Soviet invasion, when there was a huge excess of that particular gun in that particular country.

There was also a fear that the ancient cannabis traditions of Afghanistan were in danger, so quite a few treasured strains (that normally would never have been allowed out of their circle of cultivators) to leave the country for the sake of preserving them. Maple Leaf Ind. is descended directly from another one of these strains. If you read the very old Seed Bank catalogues (1985), you can find a direct reference to this. It's an interesting bit of history that I only just discovered (so I'm not going to give it away just yet).

Anyway, at some point in the Nineties, the name AK-47 was made a registered trade mark for a particular strain of cannabis seeds, by Serious Seeds, if I recall correctly. So, from that point on, no-one else could legally apply the name to another cannabis strain.
Hence OK-47 (not a hugely enticing name, IMHO).

However (and it's a big one), from reading the Big Book of Buds, it seems that Serious Seeds' AK-47 is sold as a Sativa-dominant hybrid (75% IIRC). I don't think it's a misprint, and I know that the seed companies supply the details to BBB, so if that info is correct, then it's not the same AK-47 as the one brought out of Afghanistan. Quite possibly it's a descendant of that cultivar that's been crossed and back-crossed with a Sativa. If so, then the under-50 days flowering time probably no longer applies. This is not to knock Serious Seeds' AK-47, as it’s known to be a great strain. I just don't know how much Afghani it has in it.

OK-47 is the same pure Afghani as AK-47 from the Eighties. Fast, very resinous, quite short and stocky with a good yield, but not the super cropping of Afghani hybrids.

I may be a bit biased, but for around that price, I'd prefer Maple Leaf or Afghani #1"

 

[englishrick]

hay Raco,,,sorry ive been a lil sparce lately,,im just gathering myself,,

ive grown AK47 from SS personly,,,i think its got a blatant skunk in there honestly Raco,,,i can taste and see the haze in there too with some phenos,,,,but the skunk phenos especialy jump out a mile imo,,,im big skunk lover,,,i even love skunky bigbud/critical mass phenos i can spot them a mile off [imo],,a friend of mine has motherd a skunky AK47 for ages, i smoke it often,,,defo a skunk cross imo,,,,+ ive had a batch of AK47 from SS grown from seed lately and some people thought it was cheese,,,that was crazy,,honestly vet cheese smokers though it was cheese,,,

but i guess,,im open to new thing,,,,

 

[Stonehenge]

I've grown AK from SS.... I had one that smelled like cheese too...

Mostly piney/ fruity... one really fruity.. and the cheese/ skunky one..... Made me gag while trimming.. lol

Always wondered on the genetics... Is it really a lot more indica now than in the nineties?
I got bored of it quickly to be honest....

 

[RollmeoneKenobi]

What got me started on this track was that Serious Seeds other strains are all from common dutch strains. How can I pay $235 USD for Serious' AK47, when I can get the "Pure" Skunk 1 from TFD for $30 USD.

 

[EddieShoestring]

Is it really a lot more indica now than in the nineties?

this is something that comes up again and again in AK discussions-
i've been growing it for a while and it is v indica dom. I've seen lots of AK grows and it is always this same indica pheno-i'm not knocking it-it yields well , is fairly reliable and produces respectable bud. But that doesn't really tally with the description

Rick-i could see how it could be an afghan/skunk cross-or maybe a afghan/afghan/#1 three way or whatever

i guess making F2s and growing them out may help unravel things a bit?


cheers
eddieS

 

[drhiggins]

Just started growing this strain (AK-47) any advice on what they like. I'm going all organic with soil and tea. Thanks

 

[jlbscriptssee]

AK-47 is amongst the original hybrids and not a rework of any other hybrid. The original strains used were landrace. That leaves a lot of room for guess itself as Mexico, Columbia, Afghanistan and Thailand have many landraces with notable differences. However the foundation of AK-47 sits on original soil

 

[jlbscriptssee]

AK is not a finiky same. She's ready to go straight out of the gate and will follow your lead as long as you know where you're going. This is the type of girl that makes the best of the situation. This girl is marriage material fellas

 

[jlbscriptssee]

What got me started on this track was that Serious Seeds other strains are all from common dutch strains. How can I pay $235 USD for Serious' AK47, when I can get the "Pure" Skunk 1 from TFD for $30 USD.

Just because a Afghan x Columbian was used by different breaders for a strain does not mean the resulting strain will be the same. There are usually several phenotypes that result. Some breaders have been known to spend countless years in search of a uncommon pheno that wasn't present in the beginning

 

[jlbscriptssee]

The simple formula Ttttt x zzzzzz doesn't = Tz in every instance