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We Have Been 'Winning' The War on Drugs for 90 Years

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WE HAVE BEEN 'WINNING' THE WAR ON DRUGS FOR 90 YEARS

One can imagine how delighted the people at the Colombian Embassy were when they read the Globe and Mail last week. One article after another about their country -- and none focused on drugs and murder.

Instead, the theme was that after decades of civil war and criminal chaos Colombia has been transformed into a land of stability and optimism. The mood is "buoyant, hopeful, and utterly entrepreneurial," one story reported. Colombia is "an eco-paradise with bustling cities," another burbled.

The people at the Mexican Embassy were probably much less pleased by what they read. "Suspected drug hit men stormed a private party and killed 17 people in the northern Mexican city of Torreon on Sunday in one of the deadliest attacks in Mexico's drug war," read one story. Another reported on a car bombing. Gangsters apparently dressed a bound man in a police uniform and called in a report of a wounded officer. When police, paramedics, and a doctor rushed to the man's aid, the bomb was detonated. At least three died.

The contrast between the two countries is exaggerated, of course. Colombia continues to be the world's largest producer of cocaine, there are still leftist rebels and right-wing paramilitaries, and human rights continue to be violated in many horrible ways; and despite the bad press Mexico is getting, much of the country is unscathed by the savage war with, and between, drug gangs.

But it is true that Colombia is more stable and safer, for most, than it has been in decades. It is also true that Mexico is continuing its descent into the hell Colombia so recently exited.

Inevitably, some are drawing the conclusion that Mexico must do whatever it was that Colombia did. And since what Colombia did was engage in a massive escalation of military and police power, supported by billions of dollars from the United States and elsewhere, that's the medicine Mexico needs.

This is unspeakably foolish. And we can expect Canada will be asked to help fund this foolishness, as we did in Colombia. So let's get this straight now: What happened in Colombia is not a model for Mexico; what happened in Colombia is the cause of what's happening in Mexico.

Let's go back to the 1970s. For decades, cocaine had been a relatively obscure jet-set drug produced in Bolivia and Peru and smuggled in small quantities by minor traffickers. But then its popularity soared -- especially in the United States and Canada. The scale of trafficking grew proportionately. Usually, the traffickers were Bolivian or Peruvian but Colombian marijuana smugglers increasingly acted as middlemen.

By the early 1980s, the Bolivians and Peruvians were sticking mostly to production, selling shipments of cocaine to Colombians who transported the drugs through the Caribbean into Florida. Dominating the most profitable part of the trade, the Colombians got very rich. And powerful. Colombia increasingly resembled a "narco-state."

In the mid-1980s, the American government poured interdiction resources into Florida and the Caribbean. Under pressure, the Colombians increasingly shipped cocaine to Mexico and hired Mexican gangsters to smuggle it across the border into the U.S.

Meanwhile, American programs to suppress coca growing and cocaine production in Bolivia and Peru were ramped up and there were steep declines in exports by the early 1990s -- which were more than offset by exploding production in the many regions of Colombia where the government's hold was tenuous.

About the same time, Colombian and American officials put the squeeze on Pablo Escobar and the Medellin cartel. In the mid-1990s, the Cali cartel was targeted. Under pressure, the Colombians increasingly sold cocaine shipments to Mexican gangsters, who built their own smuggling and trafficking networks. By the end of the decade, all Colombia's major drug lords were dead or in prison but thanks to a proliferation of smaller networks, and the increasing involvement of Colombia's leftist rebels and right-wing paramilitaries in the drug trade, cocaine exports actually rose.

Meanwhile, the wealth and power of the Mexican drug lords grew rapidly.

See where this story is going? I was in Colombia and Mexico at the end of the 1990s, and I well remember Mexicans telling me how they feared "Colombianization." They were right to be worried. Several years later, the Mexican government took down all the major Mexican drug lords. What followed this "victory" was the war we see now -- a war pitting the government against gangsters, but also a war of gangsters against each other in a struggle for control of the fantastically profitable trade routes. "Colombianization," in other words.

In the war on drugs, that's the way it always goes: Eliminate kingpins and gangsters battle to be the successor; drive down production in one place and it balloons in another; stamp out a smuggling route and new routes are created. The market will not be denied. It's Economics 101.

Look at Afghanistan. It was never a major heroin producer. But "victories" in West Asia and the Golden Triangle of southeast Asia pushed the drug trade into that sad country and now it's paying for weapons that kill Canadian soldiers. With victories like that we have been "winning" the war on drugs for 90 years -- and today the illicit drug trade is far bigger and far more destructive than ever.

But editorialists, politicians, and drug cops never connect the dots. "More of the same," they urge. "More of the same."

The last thing Mexico needs is more of the same. What it needs, desperately, is for governments to follow the advice of the Vienna Declaration, which I discussed Friday, and "undertake a transparent review of the effectiveness of current drug policies" -- followed by "a full policy reorientation." Until then, the madness will continue



URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v10/n586/a03.html
Source: Ottawa Citizen (CN ON)
Author: Dan Gardner, The Ottawa Citizen
Referenced: The Vienna Declaration http://www.viennadeclaration.com/
 

SKUNK420

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nope because people do not know how to exercise their freedom to know when and where to do certain things. We have more gangs then ever not less, more violent crimes commited bt teens then ever, there are more teenage pregancy's then ever. There is more negative then ever in society all because people say this "It's my life and I'll do whatever I want to. I'm not listening to you. I know more. Your to old fashioned etc..." now put that together with the increase in population over the last decade and we have the mess we have today.
I don't understand why progressive and libral all think everything can be solved by treatment or consuling. Hell if thats the case then why doesn't Barry O have a gang summit to stop gangs in this country and drug use by our children and parents so it doesn't have to be a war and turn into a a managable problem. Barry O. seems to think he can talk to North Korea or Iran about stopping their nuke programs. If Barry is that confident then he should have no problem telling people that they need to stop destroying themselves with drugs. Which will stop the WAR and turn it into a managable problem. Legalizing alcohol did not stop all crime, people to this day commit horrible crimes just to get a 40oz to freedom. The truth is it starts with you. Don't blame the system for putting you on restriction like any parent would do a misbehaving smart mouth brat of a child. We become adults and we just want to be free and do whatever, not answer to nobody with our " MOVE GET OUT THE WAY" attitudes everybody has nowadays and when we get caught we have a society that blames the system.
 

JamieShoes

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we must be winning the war on drugs... as drugs are now more widely used and available than ever before ;)
 
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Kwazee Wabbit

That op has a good article, but it only depicts an overview of wealth transfer from the USA and other western nations to the dark underground forces of criminal and terrorist organizations.

The influence of money, power and greed shared by politicians, media organizations and business interests combined over the last several decades to create the idiocy we enjoy today. It boils down to the underground market for cannabis, narcotics and prescription drugs. The legislation passed by those elected to best serve the interests of a once patriotic people has instead created a world of hatred, greed, distrust, crime, death and dissention.

It is the controlled substance laws of the United States that have pitted brother against brother, neighbor against neighbor, citizen against government and nation against nation. Many in government and news media will acknowledge the problems, but fail to recognize the catalyst.

Yes, the demand for drugs has grown in societies where untold success and wealth are realized, but laws that have no basis in reality and fairness have played an exponential part in destroying all that has been accomplished. The power of a government to control and exploit it's citizens is a catastrophe that has decimated the lives of people across our planet.

When you combine the following and realize the failure of prohibition to achieve anything worthwhile, the ignorance of political and business leaders becomes very clear:

1. Tens of thousands of human lives lost to criminal drug gangs in our cities.

2. Tens of thousands of human lives lost to drug cartels and paramilitary groups fighting for market share.

3. Costs of implementing law enforcement training and execution of assaults on citizens.

4. Costs of tens of millions of legal trials in court systems.

5. Costs to millions of families of citizens arrested

6. Costs for tens of thousands of jail guards and parole personnel

7. Costs for hundreds of prisons

8. Cost to businesses for loss of arrested and fired employees

9. Loss of income for citizens and families of those arrested

10. Loss of trust and cooperation of citizens with law enforcement and government

11. Untold hundreds of billions of dollars transferred to criminal and terror elements of other nations

12. Loss to our national security due to billions of dollars of drug money in the hands of terrorist groups.

The list can continue as you realize the effects of our "out of control" government's failed policies. The laws currently in force relating to cannabis and other substances of abuse are nothing short of idiotic and counter productive. These laws are nothing more than the clear evidence of greedy and power hungry individuals whose intent is to control, intimidate, dominate, suppress and exploit all people worldwide.

We need to rethink our support of politicians who think they are entitled to live as royalty and dictators. We need to think of our families and their future. The status quo is just a joke, a joke on us!
 

Warped1

I'm a victim of fast women and slow horses
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Thank you Kwazee.. you just shortened my post up a bunch lol. This war on drugs isn't working,and I think we all realize that. It's kind of my thinking that there really is no answer to this problem that will ever end the drug war. Is legalizing marijuana in the U.S. going to fix things? For some I suppose..for those like myself who only want to grow what they need for their own use, but that only fixes a small portion of a very big problem. On the other hand, we can't even get everyone here at IC Mag to agree whether or not pot should be legalized. I don't blame the commercial growers one bit for wanting things left the way they are..after all they have supplied a much needed service for a lot of years.
I don't know what the answers are, I don't know that anyone does really. There will always be a demand for the things people want,and they will always be able to get them. Should our marijuana laws be revised in this country? I think so..if only to get the thousands of people in this country who were prosecuted for non-violent crimes freed. Man wouldn't unemployment take a jump then??
 

Tony Aroma

Let's Go - Two Smokes!
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The purpose of the war on drugs is to punish people for using drugs. Period. More people are behind bars for drugs in this country than ever before in the history of mankind. That is the drug warrior's only objective measure of success. So, yes, the war on drugs has been extremely successful in that respect. I bet even Nixon himself would be surprised at how successful his little war turned out to be.
 
The drug war is based on a fallacy. Eliminating demand for drugs is like eliminating demand for sex. It cannot be done, except by increasing supply. The idiots need to put down their weapons and take an economics class. 101 level should be sufficient.
 
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blancorasta

read the preamble to the constitution, thats the job of government, any more restriction, control, or power spells injustice

the war on drugs isnt even real, its a tool, just like the war on terror. its not the governments job to keep you safe. both of these "wars" were started to get people to willingly give up their rights while being ok with throwing individuals in jail without commiting real crimes, constitutional crimes; if you dont take ones life, liberty, or property it's not a crime. basically you have the right unless it infringes on the rights of others.

greed and control is what it boils down to, they want the worlds gold and use the masses as uneducated serfs. devided up among noblemen.

history repeats itself....?

my two cents

peace
 

vta

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the war on drugs isnt even real, its a tool, just like the war on terror. its not the governments job to keep you safe. both of these "wars" were started to get people to willingly give up their rights while being ok with throwing individuals in jail without commiting real crimes, constitutional crimes; if you dont take ones life, liberty, or property. basically you have the right unless it infringes on the rights of others.

greed and control is what it boils down to, they want the worlds gold and use the masses as uneducated serfs. devided up among noblemen.

good post
 
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blancorasta

Yes it is. I know what you're trying to say, but it IS the government's job to keep you safe, but it's not its job to protect you from yourself.

yes your right, it is the govt job to establish a well regulated military to protect citizens from foriegn attack/invasion.

but not create laws, that are intended to make a safe society.
it's each individuals responsibility as a member of society to do their part, but no one guarantees your safety? thats the misconception that has lead to the erosion of our rights.

its not the govt job to protect you from others, but punish those that violate ones life, liberty, or property.

peace
 
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blancorasta

Benjamin Franklin (a founding father)
made his feelings on the subject of personally safety very clear, and is why we have a second amendment.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

peace
 

Hazelnuts

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yes your right, it is the govt job to establish a well regulated military to protect citizens from foriegn attack/invasion.

but not create laws, that are intended to make a safe society.
it's each individuals responsibility as a member of society to do their part, but no one guarantees your safety? thats the misconception that has lead to the erosion of our rights.

its not the govt job to protect you from others, but punish those that violate ones life, liberty, or property.

peace

That would mean that laws prohibiting you from murdering another person are somehow wrong, and I can't really see that. I agree that the government should not expand beyond its original purpose, which is to protect fundamental liberties and rights and to provide commodities that wouldn't be available otherwise, but you have to realize that that doesn't mean that ANY law is bad. Lots of laws are fucking retarded, but some are needed to maintain a sustainable, peaceful society. Else you'd have vigilante justice and crime rampaging through the country
 
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blancorasta

its not the govt job to protect you from others, but punish those that violate ones life, liberty, or property.

peace
violating your life would be any kind of assult. Who keeps YOU from being beaten, raped, or murdered? definitly not the law. the law keeps them (them being the criminals that beat, raped, or murdered you) from going unpunished.

That would mean that laws prohibiting you from murdering another person are somehow wrong, and I can't really see that.
i know we all burn here but is that really the excuse for all the poor reading comprehension skills.

i clearly never stated anything to the affect of your quote above!

again, unless your the president or are rich and paranoid enough to hire a body guard, who do you ( i mean everyone) have to protect you from harm? yourself, friends, and family and if those fail. the police come, fill out paper work, and hope the criminal does something small/stupid gets caught and they can link the crime to them. its not like there is a posse of law men hunting after any criminals.
i guess thats another misconception.

Else you'd have vigilante justice and crime rampaging through the country

LOL....thats hella funny. what else do we have in this country? we do have car dealerships, shopping malls, sports arenas and rampant crime with alot less justice; every way a man could imagine... to waste his money or have it stolen from him in various legal and non legal ways......haaah breathe in all that freedom LOL.

thanks,

peace
 
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tokinafaty420

Nothing is changing until the people who are not directly involved with drugs speak up. Pot smokers yelling for their right are easily dismissed and ignored; same with all other drugs. Once we get this issue away from the drug itself and on the real issue... freedom then we'll see change. No American has the right to take the freedom away from another when that person has not caused harm to anyone. The fact of the matter is more people than you realize are seeing that the laws are more harmful than marijuana. I've been trying to educate social workers on this, since they have quite a bit of sway when it comes to people arrested for drugs. They don't have to like people smoking pot, but they must understand that they cannot assist in the destruction of lives by the justice system.
 

Hazelnuts

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violating your life would be any kind of assult. Who keeps YOU from being beaten, raped, or murdered? definitly not the law. the law keeps them (them being the criminals that beat, raped, or murdered you) from going unpunished.


i know we all burn here but is that really the excuse for all the poor reading comprehension skills.

i clearly never stated anything to the affect of your quote above!

again, unless your the president or are rich and paranoid enough to hire a body guard, who do you ( i mean everyone) have to protect you from harm? yourself, friends, and family and if those fail. the police come, fill out paper work, and hope the criminal does something small/stupid gets caught and they can link the crime to them. its not like there is a posse of law men hunting after any criminals.
i guess thats another misconception.



LOL....thats hella funny. what else do we have in this country, we have car dealerships, shopping malls, sports arenas and crime with alot less justice, every way a man could imagine... to waste his money or have it stolen from him in various legal and non legal ways......haaah breathe in all that freedom LOL.

thanks,

peace

Please stop assuming that you're always superior, you're doing that in the other thread too and it's pretty annoying. I did see what you wrote about protecting liberty etc, but you contradicted yourself (or I just plain didn't understand what you meant) by saying
yes your right, it is the govt job to establish a well regulated military to protect citizens from foriegn attack/invasion.

but not create laws, that are intended to make a safe society.

Well, if making murder illegal isn't a law that's intended to make for a safe society, what is it then?

And if you consider car dealerships and shopping malls to be some kind of criminal outgrowth to steal your money or something, then I guess we're just not living life on the same page. I see nothing wrong with car dealerships, unless they sell Hummers. And I'm willing to bet you didn't build your PC from plywood and homemade transistors either.

And I consider laws that severely punish things like rape, murder and the like to have a preventing effect, even though that's definitely not the case with drug laws (unless you go full on batshit insane, like for example Singapore, where you get life in prison or even the death penalty for selling. Nobody smokes/sells there). But if you murder someone, every cop in the city is gonna be looking out for you, and not many people want to live that life.

Again, if I'm misunderstanding you, I apologize. But what you're saying really doesn't add up for me
 

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