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GanjaPharma

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Over the last 15 years I have had gnats, spotted mites, thrips, and whiteflies...I thought i had seen em all (and knew how to prevent their return) but..
Have been freaking out all day, looking in the scope and online...i am not new to this, but for the life of me I dont know what I have on my plants. please give this a read and see if anything rings a bell.

First off, let me apologize for no pics...these bugs are tiny, barely visible without a scope, so cant take pics. also, my plants look great, no speckling as is common with spider mites, no webbing, no nute lockout, the roots are clean and white with no odor. and shaking the plants reveals NO flying buggies.

growing in coir DTW still in veg. i practice heavy defoliation and was doing just that when I noticed:

tiny, fast moving, white looking, mite-ish bugs. they were crawling about on a leaf i just cut and ran all over my hand super quick like. about 1/4 size of a grain of salt. I got one on a piece of sticky tape and scoped it. oval translucent body (no spots like ive seen on mites). six short legs and what look like two longer front legs, but could be antennae (exacerbating my confusion).

APHIDS:
My first thought was an aphid of some sort, but the images of "root aphids" i see are of brownish larger bugs. also, I cannot see the "twin tubes" i am pretty sure all aphids have on their back. perhaps my scope isnt strong enough...finally, they arent clustered anywhere on the roots, they are on the leaves.
still havent ruled out aphids, if these are aphids I will have to treat with a systemic, like Imid. god i hate to do that.

SPIDER MITES:
I looked around to see if spider mites came in an un-spotted variety and all the cannabis related species I see are two spotted mites, or red mites, and both have coloring identifiers. I did come across an image of a predatory mite Galendromus occidentalis that looks just like these fukers, cept i am unsure if the long forelimbs areantennae or legs. if legs then arachnid and mites.
frankly the idea of being infested with a beneficial mite is so out of balance with the story of my life that I cant really see it as possible. I read that a predatory mites mouth-parts extent frontwards toward prey vs. downwards....im gonna need a better scope for that lol

SO:
anyone here seen tiny aphids that are fast moving? the ones ive seen outside are generally slow and not inclined to race about.

anyone here use predatory mites? and can say whether this sounds like them? and im in the PNW...is it possible I picked up good mites??:noway:

are there mites that have elongated forelegs and do not have spots anywhere?

I stand by with an arsenal of options...I dont want to use Imid if its not aphids, that shit is scary. Please advise!
Thanks All!
GP
 

LUDACRIS

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Over the last 15 years I have had gnats, spotted mites, thrips, and whiteflies...I thought i had seen em all (and knew how to prevent their return) but..
Have been freaking out all day, looking in the scope and online...i am not new to this, but for the life of me I dont know what I have on my plants. please give this a read and see if anything rings a bell.

First off, let me apologize for no pics...these bugs are tiny, barely visible without a scope, so cant take pics. also, my plants look great, no speckling as is common with spider mites, no webbing, no nute lockout, the roots are clean and white with no odor. and shaking the plants reveals NO flying buggies.

growing in coir DTW still in veg. i practice heavy defoliation and was doing just that when I noticed:

tiny, fast moving, white looking, mite-ish bugs. they were crawling about on a leaf i just cut and ran all over my hand super quick like. about 1/4 size of a grain of salt. I got one on a piece of sticky tape and scoped it. oval translucent body (no spots like ive seen on mites). six short legs and what look like two longer front legs, but could be antennae (exacerbating my confusion).

APHIDS:
My first thought was an aphid of some sort, but the images of "root aphids" i see are of brownish larger bugs. also, I cannot see the "twin tubes" i am pretty sure all aphids have on their back. perhaps my scope isnt strong enough...finally, they arent clustered anywhere on the roots, they are on the leaves.
still havent ruled out aphids, if these are aphids I will have to treat with a systemic, like Imid. god i hate to do that.

SPIDER MITES:
I looked around to see if spider mites came in an un-spotted variety and all the cannabis related species I see are two spotted mites, or red mites, and both have coloring identifiers. I did come across an image of a predatory mite Galendromus occidentalis that looks just like these fukers, cept i am unsure if the long forelimbs areantennae or legs. if legs then arachnid and mites.
frankly the idea of being infested with a beneficial mite is so out of balance with the story of my life that I cant really see it as possible. I read that a predatory mites mouth-parts extent frontwards toward prey vs. downwards....im gonna need a better scope for that lol

SO:
anyone here seen tiny aphids that are fast moving? the ones ive seen outside are generally slow and not inclined to race about.

anyone here use predatory mites? and can say whether this sounds like them? and im in the PNW...is it possible I picked up good mites??:noway:

are there mites that have elongated forelegs and do not have spots anywhere?

I stand by with an arsenal of options...I dont want to use Imid if its not aphids, that shit is scary. Please advise!
Thanks All!
GP

What colour are they ???????
 
By the way your talking it sounds like your in veg

Azamax Omri certified main ingrediant is modified nicotine.It is systemic and can be used as foliar.100% vegetable based

Best thing for root bound pests including aphids is merit 75, 75% imid compared to the extreme low concentration bayer tree and shrub. It is also a systemic.

You stated leaf infection, pyrethiums such as dr doom will work as a contact.

Also if your not using silica add it..it will help with pests attacks by strengthening cell walls.

If you would like more options i have others..those are the methods i would personally recommend..
 

GanjaPharma

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ok so i got a few bad pics of the critter....this is my handheld camera , held up to my radioshack pocket scope so pretty poor quality.

he has been stuck there for a few hours and is now pretty dead. the forelimbs are probably legs, now that he is dead they are curled like jointed legs. so im thinking mite...not aphid. anyone want to concur?

 

LUDACRIS

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Lifebreather

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I'm having a hard time seeing what's in that eyepiece.

Do they look like this:

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GanjaPharma

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lifebreather, thanks for posting.
they dont really look like that, but are similar in shape and translucent . im gonna get another look at some live ones but at first glance they dont have that dark face, also i can hardly see them without a scope, the buggies in your pic look too big.
what are they btw?
 

LUDACRIS

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lifebreather, thanks for posting.
they dont really look like that, but are similar in shape and translucent . im gonna get another look at some live ones but at first glance they dont have that dark face, also i can hardly see them without a scope, the buggies in your pic look too big.
what are they btw?


They look like springers. You can tell if you touch them and they jump.
 

Lifebreather

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what are they btw?

Some kind of mite.

Other than that, I have no idea.

The faces aren't entirely visible w/the naked eye. They are too small to really notice.

These are faster than aphids and slower than thrips. They come to the lip of the pot any time the pot is jostled/disturbed.
 

crippled1

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Those right there my friend are definately a mite and they do have 8 legs.
I just had an entire population of some sort of root mite and they looked alot like that.
They are sort of orange-tan and their bodies are pretty translucent.
I had no sign of them anywhere but in the rootzone. It was only after flushing my medium that I noticed the bastards running around.
Even though your plants look good and the bugs don't seem to be doing any damage, they could still have all sorts of diseases.
Since you are in veg, just blast em with some Forbid.
 

SGMeds

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The key is that you are growing in coir. There are a variety of soil mites that have come from this medium... from all the major sources... I know, I've had them.

Most tend to be whitish... the really tough, fast breeding, fast moving ones... they'll crawl ^ die on the plants, but can not eat anything green... they do not suck.

The reddish one that I have seen got bigger than all the other types... my gut told me this one is a predatory mite of some sort.


Check out oribitid mites & here is a good general site w some pics...

http://soils.usda.gov/sqi/concepts/soil_biology/arthropods.html
 

GanjaPharma

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o man ...i been looking at pictures of mites all day and am starting to get itchy...
i think all are AGREED that i have mites. some kinda mites...

SGMeds you are figuring they wont hurt anything...damn i hope you are right. I did use a few bags of CannaCoir without treating it first...not something i often do...you might be on to something there.
with all of the input I have gotten (you folks really jumped right on this, thanks again for the attention) I did find a few more "i have some kinda mites that aint spider mites" threads. and i think the best course of action is to kill anything I can not identify.
I have 15 girls all 5' tall and it gets crazy in there once I flip...no time to be spraying for pests.
I dont have any forbid, i usually neem for mites, but unless they are eating my leaves then neem wont do squat. i have heard of 1:1 rubbing alcohol to poison and dry out mites, any other thoughts?
 

SGMeds

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I tried to kill them... got most of em... but w a perpetually running garden... they are difficult to contain.

Some can live for over 4 days w/o food, water or shelter... experimented w them. They have the capability to trek to new homes in which to breed.


One run, had thousands of dead carcasses all over the floor... formed dust balls even. Never once did a plant suffer... healthy roots & all. I used bene's & feel this is what allowed for the massive pop explosion... was feeding em w my mix & wonderfully comfortable environment! They loved me... and the coir. The coir just gives them the perfect breeding environment.


GL w the kill... have to be diligent on the harder ones! ;-)
 

GanjaPharma

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wow...live and let live is not a strategy i have tried. i dont care about sharing my room/ferts/coir w critters....just "KEEP YO HAND OFF MY GODDAMN WEED!"
I'll let you know how it turns out
 

GanjaPharma

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omg you think my girls could have crabs!!
i had 3 ho's and a rake down there last week!

so a lill update:
I now think I have....spiders
I think those little fucks might be spiders...baby spiders...
I was showing my buddy...a grower of many years...he took one look and said, "looks like a little spider"
soooo....mebe i dodged a bullet..dunno
I am putting a few in a jar to watch em...they look just like fast tiny spiders...dunno still could be mites.
 

Lifebreather

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Well, spiders have two major body segments: the abdomen and cephalothorax. The cephalothorax is the head part and is also home to the legs of a spider.

The photo you have shows a small head and large body with the legs on the body.

It points more toward mite.
 

GanjaPharma

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doh! using science to make a point is cheating!

wish i had a better scope....or mebe an entomologist friend that likes herb.
 
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