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Criminals to be weeded out of medical marijuana centers
- Thread starter cobcoop
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Aside from the DEA purposely using stats to sway opinion, the other sad aspect is that they (and most Americans it seems) are essentially saying rehabilitation is not possible. We tell ourselves you do the time to pay for the crime. But that isn't true. Felons do the time and society STILL wants them to keep paying for their crime in perpetuity. Felons generally have little access to decent employment. Even if they are "rehabilitated" and genuinely want to turn their life around be a contributing member of society, most avenues for accomplishing this are still closed to them. For most felons we make them pay forever. Innocent until proven guilty is a myth for someone with a prior. In my mind this is discrimination plain and simple. Sure this may make sense for repeats, and some (perhaps most) violent crime but for non-violent felons who serve their time and try to make a life change society holds them down for no good reason. It is a waste of good man/brain power. Obviously this is especially true for marijuana felons who now try to make a legal success in the one industry they are well suited for. How silly of us to tell them "sorry, how about a menial labor job instead..."
Greenmopho
Member
*DING, DING, DING*
Aside from the DEA purposely using stats to sway opinion, the other sad aspect is that they (and most Americans it seems) are essentially saying rehabilitation is not possible. We tell ourselves you do the time to pay for the crime. But that isn't true. Felons do the time and society STILL wants them to keep paying for their crime in perpetuity. Felons generally have little access to decent employment. Even if they are "rehabilitated" and genuinely want to turn their life around be a contributing member of society, most avenues for accomplishing this are still closed to them. For most felons we make them pay forever. Innocent until proven guilty is a myth for someone with a prior. In my mind this is discrimination plain and simple. Sure this may make sense for repeats, and some (perhaps most) violent crime but for non-violent felons who serve their time and try to make a life change society holds them down for no good reason. It is a waste of good man/brain power. Obviously this is especially true for marijuana felons who now try to make a legal success in the one industry they are well suited for. How silly of us to tell them "sorry, how about a menial labor job instead..."
Guilty until proven innocent is more like it. If you are a felon, or even have any record at all, that is automatic probable cause, and a cop can search you without a warrant. Ever been pulled over for a minor traffic infraction, and the cop walks up to your car, and the first question out of is mouth is "Have you ever been arrested before?" If you answer yes, he's pulling you out of your own car before he even checks your ID. He'll be tearing through your stuff in no time. There are no real rights, these are just people's ideas.
George Carlin said it best years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F1Lq1uFcAE
Duckmang
Member
After becoming quite intrigued with the FMOTL idealogies I read up quite a bit on the subjects they discuss. The whole criminal record thing has some interesting history. Since the late 30's when we went off of the gold standard, it has been unlawful to repay a debt. Seriously look it up, congress passed laws making it UNLAWFUL to repay a debt. When you get "charged" with a crime you have to "repay" your debt to society, with time and money. Only thing is since the 30's you can't repay a debt, so in essence all you have done is paid bail to keep yourself out of the pokey. Since those debt's were never lawfully repaid, they have to keep a "record" of them.
I have heard of a way to get things off or your "record". It involves re-opening the case and "off-setting" the debt that was created by the charges against you. No debt = no "record". I do not understand the process very well at all and trying to find information about it is almost impossible. I'm told that no lawyer will even consider this as they all have sworn an oath in the courts that are trying their best to get you in their debt.
I have heard of a way to get things off or your "record". It involves re-opening the case and "off-setting" the debt that was created by the charges against you. No debt = no "record". I do not understand the process very well at all and trying to find information about it is almost impossible. I'm told that no lawyer will even consider this as they all have sworn an oath in the courts that are trying their best to get you in their debt.
I agree with your ideology but the fact is in most states (including Colorado) felons can vote and until The Brady Bill felons were able to have guns in Colorado if 10 years had passed since completion of their sentence.
1284 blatantly violates Article XII section 10 of the Colorado Constitution when it comes to excluding felons:
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Section 10. Disfranchisement during imprisonment. No person while confined in any public prison shall be entitled to vote; but every such person who was a qualified elector prior to such imprisonment, and who is released therefrom by virtue of a pardon, or by virtue of having served out his full term of imprisonment, shall without further action, be invested with all the rights of citizenship, except as otherwise provided in this constitution.
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This says ALL RIGHTS will be restored once a sentence is complete unless indicated somewhere else in the constitution. Since 1284 is not part of the Colorado Constitution it conflicts with the Constitutional language and needs to be challenged in court. Where the fuck is Corry?
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tokinafaty420
Actually I'm still allowed to vote. The only thing I am kept from doing is owning firearms and holding public office.
copobo
Member
I can't wait to see someone stand up, and find even one little victory against 1284.
Where the hell are the LITIGATORS? Corry is busy pushing papers. It would be nice to see some other attorneys stand up and fight this crap.
Unfortunately the attorneys are getting rich on 1284. We need to get a legal fund together and do it ourselves.
Skunkmiester
Member
Its funny how us felons are ousted from everything, now including working in a cannabis store. But Colorado just passed at the same time as HB1284, bills that now allow Hemp cultivation and the releasing of felons with drug convictions across the state. In order to help them and not fill up jails with addicts. So is this a contradiction to anyone else other than me. Oh wait its the government.
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tokinafaty420
I won't feel sorry for myself b/c I have been labeled a felon and an undesirable. There are many people out there in the world who can look right by it and see me for who I actually am. If this society doesn't want me, so be it. It is their lost.
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Paco
While you are correct in saying that. What is going on with CO right now is the majority of good growers are being forced out of business, because they have prior cannabis related convictions.
I feel that directly. I grew for a person with HIV and myself. Now that I was caught I cannot share my skill in compassion with others. At the level you provide at your shop.
The people who are pushing us out are the ones who should not be involved with compassion care at any level. they are like COB pointed out business men and scammers who are morally the same as a lot of the people who work on all of these newly formed boards to regulate an agricultural service they know nothing about. Felony or not.
There are ashit load of people you guys are working with that run shops ect... That I don't want ten feet from my children, let alone creating laws that regulate me and mine,looking at my medical records who have a clean record.The felony clause is bullshit.
P. Dondrub
Member
Where do you see being an owner/employee of an MMC being defined as a right?
The way courts frequently interpret things, those positions could be viewed as privileges instead of rights.
Dorje113
Member
I completely disagree with this interpretation. If it was correct, then anything could be considered a privilege instead of a right.
I think it's clear that the intent of the law posted by Baddog is to give felons ALL the same rights as non-felons unless it's specifically denied (like firearms) in the constitution or presumably an ammendment to the constitution. 1284 is in violation of our constitution and our legislators have clearly overstepped their bounds, IMO...
But who knows what the legal decision will be? You may very well be correct about what the courts will ultimately decide if the law is challenged.
Good point and I suppose it could be argued either way, but lets say it is defined as a privilege, would it not be in violation of the Constitution to automatically be excluded from said privilege without consideration based on a felony? If you look at the codebook for liquor in Colorado http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellit...goBlobs&blobwhere=1251610460245&ssbinary=true you will find it does not bar felons from owning liquor stores, instead they use the catch all phrase 'good moral character'. I believe they used this language so that it would not conflict with our Constitution.
still2big
Active member
just because im a convicted felon doesnt mean i am still a fcking criminal(or ever was in my mind) and it shouldnt mean my future is less bright because of it either.
Would this guy rather me grow pot or rob banks and pistol whip people during home invasion robberies??? Your choices are limited when you have the governments "mark of the beast" all over your job applications and background checks.
Would this guy rather me grow pot or rob banks and pistol whip people during home invasion robberies??? Your choices are limited when you have the governments "mark of the beast" all over your job applications and background checks.
Greenmopho
Member
Criminals to be weeded out of medical marijuana centers
Actually, with privatized prisons...Yes, they would prefer you rob banks because you are worth more to the prisons' shareholders if you are in prison than if you are on the streets...1284 just benefits big biz all the way around. What did ya think, we were just gonna empty the prisons and make all those poor shareholders give up their yachts? We can't have that, this is AmeriKKKa...
Actually, with privatized prisons...Yes, they would prefer you rob banks because you are worth more to the prisons' shareholders if you are in prison than if you are on the streets...1284 just benefits big biz all the way around. What did ya think, we were just gonna empty the prisons and make all those poor shareholders give up their yachts? We can't have that, this is AmeriKKKa...
Also being that the private prison industry is huge in colorado it's no surprise there are still loopholes that will turn you into a criminal even with a med card.. I love the beauty of the state of colorado, there are tons of good people that reside here, but our politicians leave a lot to be desired and have for sometime now.
I have been told through numerous crediable sources that if we go through the proper channels we can take 1284 to a ballot vote with enough signatures on a petition. Then we as the people can vote on these regulations..I believe it is around 75k valid colorado voter signatures to get something on the ballot.. So we have plenty of time until the next legislative session to be the change we want to see.
I have been told through numerous crediable sources that if we go through the proper channels we can take 1284 to a ballot vote with enough signatures on a petition. Then we as the people can vote on these regulations..I believe it is around 75k valid colorado voter signatures to get something on the ballot.. So we have plenty of time until the next legislative session to be the change we want to see.
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hgherbals420
Member
Thats what I'm talking about! We definitely need to take action to make these laws right, you cant just take what they are shoving down our throats.
