10K watts run finishing and trimming!!

[AOD2012]

thanks a lot mister420, sometimes i get a little ahead of myself, and fail to properly plan everything out. thanks for your advice, and i am about to go hit the drawing board, and change a few things in my room before i get the next batch of ladies in.

 

[still2big]

nice

 

[wtfh4xx]

I run a 10x15 sealed room with four 1k's, a 25k btu ac, c02 burner, 70pint dehuey, and two 4x8's.
Currently set temp to 80 on AC so its 85 under lights, 1500PPM c02, and 55% RH.

also have two oscillating wall mounts to move air.

Does this sound right to you?
I have encountered a recent article about Vapour Pressure Deficit which encourages high RH. Any comments on this?
I'm pretty experienced but I'd love for your input.

 

[mister420green]

thanks a lot mister420, sometimes i get a little ahead of myself, and fail to properly plan everything out. thanks for your advice, and i am about to go hit the drawing board, and change a few things in my room before i get the next batch of ladies in.

Good for you. We all get ahead of ourselves. It happens, just don't dwell on it. Realize where yew want to be and take the itty bitty steps to make it happen. It may mean not going out to dinner or to the club or buying a car or whatever. Shit I rented a car for a year until I got back on my feet. Just do what you have to do.

I run a 10x15 sealed room with four 1k's, a 25k btu ac, c02 burner, 70pint dehuey, and two 4x8's.
Currently set temp to 80 on AC so its 85 under lights, 1500PPM c02, and 55% RH.

also have two oscillating wall mounts to move air.

Does this sound right to you?
I have encountered a recent article about Vapour Pressure Deficit which encourages high RH. Any comments on this?
I'm pretty experienced but I'd love for your input.

Sounds pretty good... just a few adjustments. This is just what I would do from my experience, but every environment is completely different. So try what I say out, but don't make it golden until it's proven if you know what I mean. Most of our business is common sense. It really is. If you don't have any PM problems 55% is fine. Higher humidity in my opinion only leads to problems. However if you remove fan leaves you can play around with that higher humidity. Again, in my opinion, I wouldn't go above 60%. Moisture can be a pain in the ass if not tended to. Not only PM but also bud rot.
Higher temps such as what you have - 85- is okay if you hit your co2 a little higher - around 1700. The plant is going to be transpiring a lot more in higher temps so you can crank the co2 up a bit to compensate for it's harder work. However, there is a flip side to this. Higher temps in the end of the cycle lead to more 'leafy' bud. Sooooooo.... what I would do is turn your temp down to 78. If you can't hit 78, try to make it 80 around the leaves. That is the perfect environment that I have found. Below 76 the stomata closes up and has a lot harder time transpiring and you get stunted growth. 76-78 is a hit and miss with some strains on the perfect 'witch finger' growth. 78-80 seems to be the perfect temp all around. Once again, I'm not a know it all, this just seems to be what has worked for all of us.
Hope this helps.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Hi everyone!! For those who know me... I'm baaaackkk. Had to buy a new house and setup a new op. I now run a 20K setup -- two rooms of 10K watts. I will take detailed pictures later on but just wanted to show some of this run that's coming out. I didn't take pics throughout the whole run, just a few times but at least you can see the finished product as it comes out. I'm running Pre-98 Bubba, Grape Ape, Og/Rhino, and Sour D. I will pull the Og's and Sour's out in two weeks so I will take pics of those for you guys. Enjoy and it's good to be back.

nice setup mang...what are the pics of that cured bud in your first post. it looks sorta similar to the bubba kush im rolling with.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Ahh, the good ol' electric bill. I made sure when I bought the house it was on commercial property so we have commercial electric instead of residential. Cuts down on the bill completely. I pay about 1300/month.

damn man crazy smart..i hear from residential growers thats the average bill for a 5k lol. so your saving loads of money.

and thx for that advice about the drywall..unfortunately im kinda fucked because i already purchased my spot on residential and it has drywall fuck. guess i gotta make sure my air circulation is realy good...fuck PM!

 

[2Lazy]

Shit... My 1500w total grow runs me about $80 per month... $1300 is crazy, it's more than I pay on rent for a 2bd/2ba with w/d.

 

[mister420green]

I am very impressed with what you have going. I am also a bit jealous. Ok I am very jealous. I am most impressed with the time that you have taken in the build out and setup of your grow. Most people just do not put the effort into it. Your experience shines through in your grow. Great work. The only thing that I can say is please cure your buds. I always here about people going into shops and the product is not properly cured. You have gone to the n'th degree with your setup and knowledge of growing, and yet you do not give your final product a proper cure. If you cured your product for 4 weeks then you would never go back. Now that I said that I will say that I am guilty of not curing long enough sometimes. Sometimes the shit just needs to get out the door. So I feel you. In a lot smaller of a way. Again your setup is amazing, and I would love to sit with you and pick your brain for hours about your setup. Bravo!

Thank you for the kind words. As I've stated it's been a lot of hard work, time and effort. I at one point was like you, drooling at set ups like mine... now I drool at the 70-100+ light set ups. It's all growing in the business.
Now about the curing. I totally get where you're coming from, however, I do have to take into consideration how long the shelf life will be at the club in closed jars. There are over 43 different strains there and some sit for a few weeks to month and a half. Normal time is about 2 weeks. So I do my drying process and paper bag, then seal. At the collective it then goes into glass jars for the remaining time it's there. So it's a catch 22. Now I could cure for 4 weeks but honestly, I have to pay bills. I understand people want top quality curing but I've never had any complaints. I just want it to be more sticky gooey. Thanks for your input though. I will try to maybe add one more week.

 

[ghettochild]

 

[kal]

I feel like Im at the bottom of Mt Everest and you just just showed me pics of the TOP.


Dont know if I ever want that kind of a climb...... BUt its great to know what it looks like....

Mad props and respect for the knowledge...

Now off to HD for some that super 33 for my "sealed Lights"

 

[AOD2012]

haha i just picked up like five rolls of the stuff. i shouldnt be running out anytime soon.

 

[mister420green]

nice setup mang...what are the pics of that cured bud in your first post. it looks sorta similar to the bubba kush im rolling with.

It is the bubba. It's the Pre-98 Katsu strain. I've been running this strain for about 3 years. It never fails and people love it.

damn man crazy smart..i hear from residential growers thats the average bill for a 5k lol. so your saving loads of money.

and thx for that advice about the drywall..unfortunately im kinda fucked because i already purchased my spot on residential and it has drywall fuck. guess i gotta make sure my air circulation is realy good...fuck PM!

Yeah, electric is where we all run into the problem. I'm about to go completely solar next year. Been talking to a company for about 6 months and we're in the planning stages. I have quite a bit of property so I'll have enough real estate to power everything. Solar is the way to go. Expensive but well worth it.

Shit... My 1500w total grow runs me about $80 per month... $1300 is crazy, it's more than I pay on rent for a 2bd/2ba with w/d.

Wait till you get to the 80 and 100+ mark, my boys average about 8-13K/mo in electric. Some spots are different, but the last bill (and I saw it) was 13 grand. But at his level... what is 13K when you're pulling... well we don't need to say. Trust me though, I was in your same boat. I just decided that when I was paying more for smoke than I was in rent I had to do something about it. Low and behold, here I am...who would've thunk?

I feel like Im at the bottom of Mt Everest and you just just showed me pics of the TOP.


Dont know if I ever want that kind of a climb...... BUt its great to know what it looks like....

Mad props and respect for the knowledge...

Now off to HD for some that super 33 for my "sealed Lights"

Thanks friend. It is a long climb, and honestly I'm nowhere near the top. I learn everyday. I'm probably within sight of the top, but nowhere near the top. I'd love to be and that is my goal, but it's a long climb. And it kinda is like being in snow. Every step is a slow and careful one. You're not rabbit, you're the tortoise. I actually, and my whole circle hope to change the industry. We've been working with Congressman/women from different states on how to implement our type of businesses. We've been working with psychiatrist's and psychologists' as well as hospitals and veterans. It's a long road for sure, but we are making progress. Again, another 'high' rant, but it's basically what I'm about. As well as the science of the plant, of course.
You all will not regret the purchasing of super 33. Wrap that shit tight. Like 6 times around stretching and pulling and then wait for that bitch to light up. Completely sealed and getting stronger as the day goes on. When our electrician told us to use that stuff we were wrapping everything with it that got hot. Now it will melt as I tried to experiment with it by the Co2 generator. The flames made it bubble... So I changed my idea. lol However, with lights, it's the perfect addition and necessity to any grow room.

Oh and those who use drywall, no worries. It's a learning experience. Just on your next build do the osb/insulation/osb. You will love it. You can spray, dump water, paint it over and over, hang lights wherever you need to (not having to look for a stud), you can hang anything anywhere. Just a more durable product that won't mold.

 

[mister420green]

Here are some more pics for your enjoyment. These are the buboes and the grapes. The grapes look sooo tasty. Managing to get the gooeyness this time. Still have like half the room left. arrrrgggghhhh

 

[mister420green]

Here are some more....

 

[wtfh4xx]

Good for you. We all get ahead of ourselves. It happens, just don't dwell on it. Realize where yew want to be and take the itty bitty steps to make it happen. It may mean not going out to dinner or to the club or buying a car or whatever. Shit I rented a car for a year until I got back on my feet. Just do what you have to do.



Sounds pretty good... just a few adjustments. This is just what I would do from my experience, but every environment is completely different. So try what I say out, but don't make it golden until it's proven if you know what I mean. Most of our business is common sense. It really is. If you don't have any PM problems 55% is fine. Higher humidity in my opinion only leads to problems. However if you remove fan leaves you can play around with that higher humidity. Again, in my opinion, I wouldn't go above 60%. Moisture can be a pain in the ass if not tended to. Not only PM but also bud rot.
Higher temps such as what you have - 85- is okay if you hit your co2 a little higher - around 1700. The plant is going to be transpiring a lot more in higher temps so you can crank the co2 up a bit to compensate for it's harder work. However, there is a flip side to this. Higher temps in the end of the cycle lead to more 'leafy' bud. Sooooooo.... what I would do is turn your temp down to 78. If you can't hit 78, try to make it 80 around the leaves. That is the perfect environment that I have found. Below 76 the stomata closes up and has a lot harder time transpiring and you get stunted growth. 76-78 is a hit and miss with some strains on the perfect 'witch finger' growth. 78-80 seems to be the perfect temp all around. Once again, I'm not a know it all, this just seems to be what has worked for all of us.
Hope this helps.

Thanks man, I appreciate your response. Your info seems spot on, so to other readers I encourage you to follow along closely.

I will drop the temp setting on the AC to 76 so that it will be 80-82 under the hoods. I am also planning on adding Super Spreaders for adjustawings to my hoods.
Mainly I think they will be worth it just to disperse the heat from directly above. Its also supposed to make the tops grow straight instead of bending to the light and causing light penetration issues.
If light is hitting the canopy evenly it should go straight up, otherwise side plants will lean inward.

At least thats what the owner of adjustawings said when I met him a few days ago.

I'll pick them up and observe the difference.
Any other tips you have?
Im aware that high RH can cause PM and bud rot, but if I can keep the air moving and trim the leaves (which I do at week 2 and 5, and 5's was just last night) I think the higher rh will help plant growth and best of all inhibit SPIDER MITES since they like high temps and low rh. Not low temps and high RH. :]
Ill leave it at 55% and watch for any signs of fungal diseases this run. If nothing then, i'll bump up to 60% and hold it there for next run.

 

[SneakySneaky]

you get a gold star for your good work, and a darth vader voice "impressive, most impressive"

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

What trim machine do you use?

 

[mister420green]

Thanks man, I appreciate your response. Your info seems spot on, so to other readers I encourage you to follow along closely.

I will drop the temp setting on the AC to 76 so that it will be 80-82 under the hoods. I am also planning on adding Super Spreaders for adjustawings to my hoods.
Mainly I think they will be worth it just to disperse the heat from directly above. Its also supposed to make the tops grow straight instead of bending to the light and causing light penetration issues.
If light is hitting the canopy evenly it should go straight up, otherwise side plants will lean inward.

At least thats what the owner of adjustawings said when I met him a few days ago.

I'll pick them up and observe the difference.
Any other tips you have?
Im aware that high RH can cause PM and bud rot, but if I can keep the air moving and trim the leaves (which I do at week 2 and 5, and 5's was just last night) I think the higher rh will help plant growth and best of all inhibit SPIDER MITES since they like high temps and low rh. Not low temps and high RH. :]
Ill leave it at 55% and watch for any signs of fungal diseases this run. If nothing then, i'll bump up to 60% and hold it there for next run.

I agree with what you're doing completely. The best way to tell is to experiment. Once you get a good response make detailed notes on what you did to achieve that affect. The best way to avoid spider mites is to not get them at all. If you have a friend with a garden that has spider mites, quarantine your plants before you bring them into the room. If you do see them in your garden, hit them with Judo and Eclipse. Using both will avoid the possibility of the mites becoming immune to just one or the other. Both Judo and Eclipse carry a 28 day cycle, and DO NOT SPRAY THEM WHEN THEY ARE IN FLOWERING. Judo and Eclipse is specifically made for veg. They are hard to find, but Palm Springs carries them and I believe Discount Hydro, and Grassroots hydroponics.

What trim machine do you use?

My hands. As I stated earlier in my post I have yet to find a quality machine.

 

[dtfsux]

My hands. As I stated earlier in my post I have yet to find a quality machine.

I skimmed the whole thread and did not see where you posted anything about a trimmer. Maybe I did not look hard enough.

Have you looked at the tumble trimmers like the twister? I know they are a lot of money but may be worth it.

Just curious to know what you have tried

 

[40AmpstoFreedom]

Wow thats insane I can't find a single person to trust to help me trim my 6lb's (3k watts worth) every harvest and it takes me days. How in the hell do you do all those 20 watts worth....crazy....I am not going to ask but just assume you must have an awesome size family or some shit lol.

Props man and thanks for a great thread, very informative.