Organics + new growers = problems?

[Learningfirst]

Hey all,

Recently watched Jorge from HT DvD who suggested that all noobs should avoid organic until they're more seasoned and perhaps start out with soil-less mediums first.

If it wasn't for the fact that he said that & my first grow couldn't be at a worse time in the year for indoor - summer. I've High temps, and pests love organics and thrive in heat. Yay.

I'm wondering - should I be concerned with fruit flies? It is a mixed opinion on Internet & it seems that many people confuse Fruit Fly's with Gnats and their flying relatives.

Peace.

 

[pseudopod]

I'm sure he's just saying it's easier to follow a schedule on a bottle than it is to watch your plants and feed accordingly. If you are okay with that, you should be fine.

 

[vonforne]

Hey man, check this out........do not worry about friggin flies. Worry about finishing that first crop SUCCESSFULLY!

That soil mix.....is just that soil. Nothing more nothing less. Now, I could pick apart all the little things that would make organic....not so organic. So, right here and now we are going to loose the word organic. OK?

Now, we grow in soil. A combination of peat, compost, earth worm castings and some nutrient material for the bacteria and fungi to process for the plant. This soil mix comes from Cornell University circa 1939 nothing new. Some one needs to tell Jorgie that.

But I will keep it simple. KIS

Mix that soil one page one of the Organic for Beginners thread.

Add to that

2 TBS Azomite, per gallon of soil
1 TBS Humic Ore. per gallon of soil

Go buy a good quality double fish tank pump and an air stone. ***Read Teaming with Microbes!!***

Visit Microbeman here MicrobeOrganics

Make some good Compost TEA

and forget every thing Jorgie said in his book!! Nice pictures though. Bet he didn´t grow them.

And when you get tat down. Come on back!! We have a whole house of Natural growers waiting to teach you about it.

Have fun!!

 

[icky420]

I grew for 8yrs...For the first 3-4 I was using whatever..Then I slowly started using organic based foods, then onto full organics, then became an organic whore. The organic thing is a hard one to get the hang of. I would not recommend it to newb's unless you really understand plant life. 8 yrs in and I still lost a crop from not reading the plants right...So FYI its not that easy if you are going to try to MAX out plants. If you just use Foxfarm and go by the bottles then I think you would be ok, but try getting every gram you can out of a plant with organics takes skill......I will leave you with that to think about. Peace and Pot

Dont become like me

 

[ngen]

Hey all,

Recently watched Jorge from HT DvD who suggested that all noobs should avoid organic until they're more seasoned and perhaps start out with soil-less mediums first.

If it wasn't for the fact that he said that & my first grow couldn't be at a worse time in the year for indoor - summer. I've High temps, and pests love organics and thrive in heat. Yay.

I'm wondering - should I be concerned with fruit flies? It is a mixed opinion on Internet & it seems that many people confuse Fruit Fly's with Gnats and their flying relatives.

Peace.

So this is my first grow season, organics is actually too easy. Me and my friends who i grew with this year all decided we had to do organic, we thought growing decent bud would be way above our ability. So our plan was to do organics get a bit smaller of a yield, but then we would be able to turn our shwiggity shwazzel into hash that tasted decent and just smoke blunts of it......

long story short now were scrambling for lots and lots of mason jars to save our sinsemilla.

but i mean thats just us... lemme think of my other friends growing OG.

such as 4 of my boys that moved to colorado this year, all got their caretaker cards. their first grow-organic. now their selling their pounds at a bit under 4k (they know a guy who hits 4k by the way- all organic), more than most the hydro growers who have been at it for years.

but i mean i'm sure jorge was onto something......

oh yeah! i have two other friends that call me over to see their organic plants all the time.

One of them has plants in his families old organic garden, not a single deficient leaf on them and nothing restricting their growing. we feed teas and humic acids on the weekly there, foliar some kelp and lacto here and there... but in perfect health.....

the other one suprise suprise, healthy perfect green leaves.

don't even consider jorge's BS for a second. if you want to make it happen-you can. Fruit flies are all over my plants and don't do any harm either by the way. Its more than a soil food web, its a food web.

 

[Learningfirst]

Sweet relief!

Outside of the damn fruit flies driving me nutz at least it is me and not my meds ! Truly grateful this place exists with you ppl to keep me going. Sometimes during this first time (really long veg) I have felt like throwing towel in.. BUT I can't because each failure or unanswered question or even new question is my knowledge and experience experiencing growing pains. No pun intended.

I have to learn to grow - so I can grow - so I can be sane. Cheers!

I'm going to mix some of that soil up and definitely expect me back to take you up on more teaching Vonforne! Wish I would have used it when I started - although I wish a lot of things as do we all.

Peace and rep+

 

[pseudopod]

Are they gnats? You can keep those fuckers under control relatively easily using neem oil or gognats.

 

[JackTheGrower]

How in the Hell did Nature ever pull it off..

Glad God was using all those products..

LOL

I think the twisted stuff is trying to use all those products

Organic soil is the easiest way to go. Not the hardest..

 

[JackTheGrower]

Hey all,

Recently watched Jorge from HT DvD who suggested that all noobs should avoid organic until they're more seasoned and perhaps start out with soil-less mediums first.

If it wasn't for the fact that he said that & my first grow couldn't be at a worse time in the year for indoor - summer. I've High temps, and pests love organics and thrive in heat. Yay.

I'm wondering - should I be concerned with fruit flies? It is a mixed opinion on Internet & it seems that many people confuse Fruit Fly's with Gnats and their flying relatives.

Peace.

Didn't Jorge mention yellow sticky traps? Very basic organic pest control.

 

[VerdantGreen]

i dont get why it's harder, as long as you mix up a good soil accurately with all the ingredients and directions then the rest of the grow should be easy. reading plants is harder but you have to do that more in chem grow anyway.
put the plant in charge, put the ferts in the soil and let it choose what it wants - then just add water. use big pots and up-pot before you flower. what could be simpler.?
if the plant starts to yellow before it is finished then have a bottle of organic bloom fert handy or topdress with a fast acting fert - but usually it wont be necessary.

VG

 

[rasputin]

Hey all,

Recently watched Jorge from HT DvD who suggested that all noobs should avoid organic until they're more seasoned and perhaps start out with soil-less mediums first.

If it wasn't for the fact that he said that & my first grow couldn't be at a worse time in the year for indoor - summer. I've High temps, and pests love organics and thrive in heat. Yay.

Dude, throw that DVD out. That statement is laughable. Are there adverts in the video at all? Sounds like someone's selling chems...

IMO, one of the easiest growing methods is found in the Organics for Beginners sticky. It's dumb easy! My first grow I couldn't believe what my plants looked like and I wasn't doing a damn thing. Just sitting back, feeding what the recipes said to feed and keeping them watered. the plants did the rest. If growing gets easier than this I might be able to teach my dog how to do it!

I'm sure others will tell ya as well, and I wouldn't BS on ya on this, but Jorge is flat out wrong and you shouldn't be concerned that organics is out of reach. Any questions ask away and you'll get plenty of help. More importantly, you'll experience firsthand how simple and effective it is. Then you can laugh at Jorge like the rest of us do.

 

[redneck shogun]

Dude, throw that DVD out. That statement is laughable. Are there adverts in the video at all? Sounds like someone's selling chems...

Rasputin is right, this is a big business that stands to get much bigger in the near future. You probably don't even realize it most of the time but when you are born in this day and age, you are born a consumer first. You might as well have come out with a barcode and a price tag stamped on your ass. People grow the "organic" way for alot of reasons. I don't like that word and it is because it is a word for consumers. I came to my methods for one reason primarily and it was freedom. It is possible to source all your materials cheaply or free with organics if you are in the right situation. My ultimate goal some day would be to put back all that I take. That means using night soil for ornamentals which is pretty hardcore if you ask me, but I am down for it. I guess the choice of organics can be the wrong one for some people new to growing but really I think it is more a problem with their perspective on how they live to start with.

 

[Zendo]

Hey all,

Recently watched Jorge from HT DvD who suggested that all noobs should avoid organic until they're more seasoned and perhaps start out with soil-less mediums first.

I would love to comment on this, but icmag admin has warned me I am not allowed to and will be banned..but just note that I want to realllllly bad. I will say that If you want to go organic, then it doesn't make sense to grow with chem's while learning organic in the mean time..

Read the organics for beginners thread first page..pick a recipe, and follow it exactly.. Not NEARLY, but exactly..Start your soil 'cooking' 'working', whatever you want to call it..

Then,
Read the organics for beginners thread from front to back, and don't ask any questions till you are done. By the time you are done, you'll notice that all your questions have been asked and answered many times, including questions you didn't think of.. The organic soil reference library as well.. We are all here to help as a community..


You'll no longer feel like a noob, and you'll realize that this is very easy stuff..And, about this time, your soil will have 'cooked' long enough, and you can start your seeds/clones..

hth

 

[NUG-JUG]

i dont get why it's harder
VG

Me neither..Do everything Vonforne said and you'll have fun, and grow some dank. I've got a Cambodian in my closet that eats a lot, and is supposedly hard to grow. It's been fed by the ammendments in the soil, compost teas, and lacto b. All of which was free\cheap as dirt. I couldn't imagine how much of a pain in the butt keeping her happy for 13 weeks in a hydro system would be.

 

[twiztidbudsmoke]

organics can be as simple or complex as you want it to be, as easy as planting a seed outdoors and watering. You should only read high times for the pics not the grow info, alot of it is misinformation! lol

 

[EnjoiKush]

My dad is borderline retarded, I taught him how to grow organic and he managed it with ease

 

[Learningfirst]

The Ht Was on youtube

The Ht Was on youtube

Hey folks,

Just wanted to answer the question that popped up about advertisements - believe me I don't even buy the mags - can't afford it & can I'm not a fan of ads which is how magazines exist. So yeah they have it posted on YouTube in several parts.

I have learned most info here; IC is my homepage. I thought after all the research that I would rather my medium do the work for me than the opposite of me taking care of it. And we know we can't do better than nature.

Peace.