Voodoo Juice questions

[TicalionStalion]

hey guys...I wanna hear what yall have to say about voodoo juice, and I have a few questions.

does it really work as well as you would think??
is it anywhere close to worth the extreme price tag??
and I noticed in rosebud magazine, they mention on the "quick facts" page that the dosage for the juice is 2 ml per L. ...BUT...on the bottle it says 7.5 ml per L!!! and to apply that every 3 weeks!

now, thats a HUGE difference in info. is it a way to rope you in? a typo?? which is it, 2 ml per l, or 7.5 ml per L?? based on the size of my 35 gal. res. it would take basically the whole entire bottle to dose my res. just once, how they reccomend on the bottle. I can get it for about 80 bucks, but the price tag is $107.00 per L!!!

I just dont get it. also, whats the big difference between voodoo and tarantula? I know they are both beneficial bacteria, but there has to be a big difference.

Im really just trying to maximize my root zone this next run...I was planning on using voodoo and piranha (130g w a $56.00 tag)...untill I realized how much they cost, and how they are basically only good for 1 dose in my res. at those size bottles!

I cant see myself paying so much for these 2 products, just to only be able to get basically 1 dose out of them....unless they really REALLY make all the difference,which I kinda doubt. Im pretty positive they arent worth the money...just trying to see if anyone can convince me otherwise. why not use EN EA, roots excelurator and myco madness or somethin? theres lots of other great, simmilar products no? Im not falling into the AN hype...Iv just heard from a few real good people that voodoo + piranha is where its at.

thanks for any info guys! really appreciate it.

(I dont want another dumb ass AN bashing or fanboy thread...just some facts from first hand users)

 

[Bud Bug]

hey guys...I wanna hear what yall have to say about voodoo juice, and I have a few questions.

does it really work as well as you would think??

Yes it works good.

is it anywhere close to worth the extreme price tag??

Thats really up to you if its worth it. Personally I wouldn't and know a few people locally now that have switched over to Benefox ($34 CDN per liter) instead of Voodoo and still get the same results. They still use the AN GBM and Sensi.

and I noticed in rosebud magazine, they mention on the "quick facts" page that the dosage for the juice is 2 ml per L. ...BUT...on the bottle it says 7.5 ml per L!!! and to apply that every 3 weeks!

now, thats a HUGE difference in info. is it a way to rope you in? a typo?? which is it, 2 ml per l, or 7.5 ml per L?? based on the size of my 35 gal. res. it would take basically the whole entire bottle to dose my res. just once, how they reccomend on the bottle. I can get it for about 80 bucks, but the price tag is $107.00 per L!!!

All the ads in there are for their revamped line and not the old line. If your bottle says 7mls use that.

The only other thing with Voodoo is some strain seems to stretch when flipped into 12/12 if you use it in that time. I say use it a little before you flip them and then one more time a few weeks later.

 

[SGMeds]

7ml per L is just crazy... crazy, crazy, crazy. 2ml per L is too much... totally a waste. These are bacterial colonies... really, once you get the populations established (and you don't let the medium dry out) then they kinda just stay alive & reproduce.

You can apply at 5-8ml per gal for the first application & then maybe again in 3-4 weeks as a replenishment... but you could get away with 1ml per gal then.

Or you could spend a shit ton of money per the label.


Check out Rootshield... pretty much the only beneficial fungi you would need.

Roots Excelerator is good bacterial inoculant as well... like .25-.5ml per gal is just fine... makes this product affordable.

 

[KingDro]

7ml per L is just crazy... crazy, crazy, crazy. 2ml per L is too much... totally a waste. These are bacterial colonies... really, once you get the populations established (and you don't let the medium dry out) then they kinda just stay alive & reproduce.

You can apply at 5-8ml per gal for the first application & then maybe again in 3-4 weeks as a replenishment... but you could get away with 1ml per gal then.

Or you could spend a shit ton of money per the label.


Check out Rootshield... pretty much the only beneficial fungi you would need.

Roots Excelerator is good bacterial inoculant as well... like .25-.5ml per gal is just fine... makes this product affordable.

Hey man as far as I know roots excel is not the same types of bacillus and fungi that we need for long term use in a growing medium. If you are in anything but a recirculating system I think Great white is a good choice. Or oregonism. Trichoderma, Myco's (endo and ecto) and bacillus, and a bunch of different strains of each. I just try to stay away from AN at all costs, they are scam artists. Total rip off.

 

[KingDro]

p.s. You know rosebud is owned/run by advanced nutrients right? And you know erik biksa from max yield? He's on their payroll too. AN is really shady.

 

[TicalionStalion]

I know, thats why I couldnt understand why in the mag it says 2 ml. per L, then on the bottle it says 7.5 ml. its just shady...these bottles were brand new from advanced. my shop doesnt even carry advanced anymore because of the price jumps, but we got a special order for a customer who wanted the whole line, and we just grabbed a few extra items to sell. I figured it was a way to rope you in with the ad in rosebud...then u get it and realize the whole 107 dollar bottle is gone with 1 res. dosing. ...preetttyyy gaay. I do believe that AN makes a good product, and I would try it out if it wasnt so pricey with such a high dosage.

 

[TicalionStalion]

Hey man as far as I know roots excel is not the same types of bacillus and fungi that we need for long term use in a growing medium. If you are in anything but a recirculating system I think Great white is a good choice. Or oregonism. Trichoderma, Myco's (endo and ecto) and bacillus, and a bunch of different strains of each. I just try to stay away from AN at all costs, they are scam artists. Total rip off.

so you think the other products you mentioned wouldnt be good for recirculating systems?? howcome? just wonderin. thanks.

 

[KingDro]

so you think the other products you mentioned wouldnt be good for recirculating systems?? howcome? just wonderin. thanks.

They just aren't as effective when there is not a solid medium for the spores to get started in. They are constantly being moved around and it makes it hard for them to be in constant contact with the roots. These products are pretty much made for solid media growing. Liquid bacillus products may be a better choice for recirculating hydro.

 

[SGMeds]

Hey man as far as I know roots excel is not the same types of bacillus and fungi that we need for long term use in a growing medium. If you are in anything but a recirculating system I think Great white is a good choice. Or oregonism. Trichoderma, Myco's (endo and ecto) and bacillus, and a bunch of different strains of each. I just try to stay away from AN at all costs, they are scam artists. Total rip off.

I kinda dislike the shotgun approach that most all manufacturers are using. Also, if you run a side-by-side... and you have a healthy root zone...???


I understood that certain bacterium are good for inoculating and others for nitrogen fixing... but mostly for inoculating... the benefits that is. For example, bacillus subtilis is a common inoculant... keeps the bad pathogens from infesting by first colonizing the root zone/water media.

Fungi's... a whole bunch of them... tend to attach & grow symbiotically w the plant roots. And of them, trichoderma harzianum is the one that is universally viewed as beneficial... Rootshield.


If you run a side-by-side... and have healthy plants/media anyway...???

 

[KingDro]

I kinda dislike the shotgun approach that most all manufacturers are using. Also, if you run a side-by-side... and you have a healthy root zone...???


I understood that certain bacterium are good for inoculating and others for nitrogen fixing... but mostly for inoculating... the benefits that is. For example, bacillus subtilis is a common inoculant... keeps the bad pathogens from infesting by first colonizing the root zone/water media.

Fungi's... a whole bunch of them... tend to attach & grow symbiotically w the plant roots. And of them, trichoderma harzianum is the one that is universally viewed as beneficial... Rootshield.


If you run a side-by-side... and have healthy plants/media anyway...???

Sounds like there is some confusion here. Trichoderma are actually parasitic. It is the one that outcompetes other harmful fungi.

Bacteria help with nutrient availability by producing enzymes and making things available to the plant in exchange for sugars released in root exudate.

Mycos form a symbiotic relationship with the roots. Endo mycos actually penetrate the root and connect with their outer structures to form what is basically an augmented rootmass. The ecto mycos live outside the root and also form a symbiotic relationship. Mycos are great for improving nutrient uptake and creating a huge rootmass which holds water better, etc.....

As far as a side by side and having a healthy root zone:

Plants with no benies will (should) still have very healthy root zones so the health of the roots does not neccessarily indicate the presence or success of benies. Benies help the plant go above and beyone what it is capable of without benies.


Roots excelurator-

I don't even know where people get the concept that this stuff has benies in it. I just went along with it at first because I assumed someone had seen some research I missed. After looking around, I see no evidence of any benies in this product. They don't list the quantities or strains used on the bottle and they don't even make any claims in their propoganda about benies. They say it "forms a film" around roots. This can be accomplished with silica. Silica is known to greatly increase rooting success. I personally use KLN and Protekt from Dyna Gro and I have incredible rooting for a fraction of the cost. Never done a side by side because I dont want to drop 80 bucks on the H&G but I am pretty confident the KLN protekt combo will do just as well.


I think people need to do a little more research into what is in these products before we start claiming them as the holy grail. I would really appreciate if someone can show me one place where it indicates that excelurator has benies in it because I cant find em.

 

[SGMeds]

Sounds like there is some confusion here.

Roots excelurator-

I don't even know where people get the concept that this stuff has benies in it. I just went along with it at first because I assumed someone had seen some research I missed. After looking around, I see no evidence of any benies in this product.

I think people need to do a little more research into what is in these products before we start claiming them as the holy grail. I would really appreciate if someone can show me one place where it indicates that excelurator has benies in it because I cant find em.

Keep researching my friend... ;-)


I just posted this to help the other guy... you don't have to take it so personal my friend! But read on, read on...

 

[KingDro]

Keep researching my friend... ;-)


I just posted this to help the other guy... you don't have to take it so personal my friend! But read on, read on...

?? Are you saying you have access to some info which shows that excelurator contains benies? I would love to see it. Not taking anything personally, not looking for an argument, I just dont believe there are actually benies in here. Where have you seen conclusive evidence of benie content?

 

[SGMeds]

?? Are you saying you have access to some info which shows that excelurator contains benies? I would love to see it. Not taking anything personally, not looking for an argument, I just dont believe there are actually benies in here. Where have you seen conclusive evidence of benie content?

That's all it took... just didn't quite like the assault. If you spend a little more time on the front end, you won't have to bash on the back.


Straight from the horses mouth... H&G. They do not label for intn'l sales & shipping restrictions... same deal w most of the US manufacturers in order to sell in CA. It's there, but they wouldn't tell which strain...??? That part did seemed odd to me, but it has live cultures in it... I grow em.

Peace!

 

[KingDro]

That's all it took... just didn't quite like the assault. If you spend a little more time on the front end, you won't have to bash on the back.


Straight from the horses mouth... H&G. They do not label for intn'l sales & shipping restrictions... same deal w most of the US manufacturers in order to sell in CA. It's there, but they wouldn't tell which strain...??? That part did seemed odd to me, but it has live cultures in it... I grow em.

Peace!

So just to verify..... you are saying that you know it contains benies because the company told you so.......? Seems like you are putting a lot of trust in a company charging you 80 bucks for a little bottle..... Whatever. My point is that you can get equal rooting results with way less money. Not to mention you still need to follow up with benies even if you are using excelurator. I think you would be better off with hormones, silica, and benies in the form of KLN (or any other hormone mixture) Protekt, and some great white. This has the advantage of all components being useful beyond rooting so rather than spending 80 bucks on rooting you spend 50 bucks on products that are much more versatile.