First Auto Hydro...WTF!!!

[CraftyApe]

Here is the deal.

Started ten poison dwarfs that are from a batch of seeds that I made myself so I am sure that they are not some non auto funky genes from a wonky supplier.

This is my first crack at hydro so perhaps I am doing something wrong but it is not making any sense to me.

I got 4 males in the batch at 10-14 days more or less just like normal for this strain. The females tend to show a few days later but this is where the weird comes in, I am almost four weeks in and the little bitches have not shown their sex yet. Yea they are looking great, strong and healthy and bushy as hell... but no bloody sex.

These are known genes so WTF?

Cheers

 

[skotty]

if they havent sexed bang them on 12/12 to trigger them and then revert back to your normal light cycle 18/6 or 20/4 which ever you are using

also if you have vegged for 4 weeks in hydro you will get some mental rewards from your plants

peace

 

[S_a_H]

What kinda lighting are you using ?

S_a_H

 

[CraftyApe]

S_a_H

It is a 430 watt hps. Running it 24/7 at the moment.


Skotty

If all previous seeds from this batch have autoflowered under 24/7 lighting and the males of this batch did so as well then doesn't that suggest that there is something else going one? Not being snarky. I am asking. Cause as I mentioned this is the first venture into hydro other than reading.



I went ahead and said the hell with it and started putting in the bloom nutes to see if by some chance that should trigger something but I just can's see how that would make them flower or the lack of them fail to allow them to flower. Hells bells I have had these little bitches grow out just fine in the most silly level of bad circumstances and not have a problem.

 

[skotty]

sometimes you gotta trigger them off so hit it with 12/12 or 24 hour dark period

when i 1st grew out an onyx seed it didnt show sex and vegged for 5 weeks before i pulled it out my grow ,due to space issues back in the day and not being able to flip light cycles cause of the other autos i was growing at the time.
all the other pips were true autos and showed sex 3-4 weeks into it

i look back now on that plant and it hurts me to think of what i could of got from it

hitting a plant with bloom nutes in veg aint the way to go lol, get her in the dark for a bit and see what happens, keep us updated

also you said that you made the seeds yourself so im guessing this is your 1st seed run with them, maybe the autotrait didnt get passed on and its now just a reg seed

peace

 

[FullDuplex]

also you said that you made the seeds yourself so im guessing this is your 1st seed run with them, maybe the autotrait didnt get passed on and its now just a reg seed

peace

I could see this happening but at the same time how are all the males gonna auto and the females not. I dont think that the auto trait is missing just that its a little lazy so to speak. If you bred these seeds IBL then you are going to keep the auto trait alive. I have seen plenty of what we call Big Autos around and if this is the case this may have been a hidden genotype that you have never seen before. He said that all the rest of the lot is not showing sex yet so that tells me that hes got a balance some where. Not saying a stable one just might have isolated a pheno here, where the males produce fast as one and the Big pheno females as the other pheno. All males are doing the same thing, and all females are doing the same thing

I however dont recommend going 12/12 due to stressing the plants, i think you'll be safer with a 24 dark period to trigger the flower and then back to 18/6. 27/7 is ok due to an autos nature, but the nature of the plant needs rest. i have never been a fan of the 24 hr light cycle as it dosent give the plant time to rest so to speak

 

[durka_durka420]

thats why its taking forever to show sex autos want a light cycle of 20/4 or 18/6 they do need a dark peroid as 24/7 can make it take longer for them to show sex...and yeah males show sex easier then a female...id give them a dark peroid each day and see what happens...

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

If you made the seeds yourself from autoflowers it mean that the NEXT generation after the first will be autoflowers OR that this genereation is like 1/2 and 1/2 autflowers and non..

im not sure which info above is correct but i know one of them is lol and i think this is what yougot going on.

 

[cheesey]

was the first plants what u made the seeds true autos ? ie flower on 24h light .

 

[skotty]

i totally agree with the plants need a dark period as certain things happen when the lights go out.

either way the general concensess is to get some sort of dark period onto the plants to get them flowering or you could keep vegging and end upwith a mahoosive plant if it dont auto flower

as not to be a tit it doesnt say how these autos were made they might of been male autos crossed with regular female?????

or regualr male crossed with female auto??

or wether it was auto x auto ??

peace


peace

 

[FullDuplex]

very true if any of the genetics that these were made from were regular photoperiod plants the offspring will not be 100% auto you will get a small ratio of autos and a small ratio of reg seeds. Its got to be a 100% IBL auto cross to get 100% auto offspring. If not it takes time to get the traits of a non auto to an auto form usually f6 or f7 it will happen

 

[Tropic]

Maybe just give them a little time, and also reduce the photoperiod to 18/6 or 20/4. All of the AF f2s I've made were 100%AF, if the parents are true AF then the offspring will be too, no need to wait for f3s to get that trait back IME.

 

[CraftyApe]

Bit of a clarification on the seeds.

The strain is from "G13 Labs" (if it was against the rules to post that my apologies) and is supposedly derived from Northern Lights crossed with a mexican Rudi. Don't know about that bit so much but I let it go a couple more weeks than they claim and it makes for a nice little smoke. More interestingly some in the group may recall that when I have talked about this strain before I have called it Boner Weed. Cause it gives one a full on Viagra like erection. Horny or not, your best pal is staring at the track lighting.
Also while it is very much a dwarf, it makes a nice compact little bud on a stick that is perfect for growing in two liter bottles and you can get a bunch of those in a small space. No real branching to speak of so nobody gets put in shadow. I have grown out more than I can count and never once had one fail to flower under 7/24. So the seed really should be fine. The only element that has changed in this equation this time is the fact that it is a hydro grow. Seriously...that is all.

Clearly the consensus is that I need to give them a dark period and I will give that a try and then let everyone know what happened. Though I must admit that I am tempted to just let them go a while longer and put on more veggie bulk cause none of the ones in the past have ever been bushy like these little girls are getting.

Cheers lads, I knew there was a reason I hung around in this joint.

C

 

[ChynaRyder]

how hard were you hitting them with the N? Hi N will prolong vegetative growth sometimes...but that doesn't explain the males tho...pretty weird...if you got the room, keep em at 24/0 and see what happens? that is, unless you need bud soon...at which I would 18/6 for a bit

 

[Bighill]

Maybe the auto trait it tied to root mass more than we think.

 

[CraftyApe]

Bighill

Could you expand on that notion re the root mass and autoflower trait?

Cause these girls have loads more root mass than I have encountered in the past. Not surprising obviously given the nature of the grow obviously. But based on what I have read of others various strains and from what I have seen in my other auto strains, this one seems to have very little root mass comparatively.

But given the fact that this strain while not a fast finisher generally, it is very fast to show sex. So your remark about root mass and autoflowing trait just makes me curious. Not sure if there could be a connection or not. Interesting notion though.

 

[Bighill]

well, what made me say that is. When i grew auto assasin, i germed them right in a 2 gal grow bag. They took ALOT longer to show sex and start flowering, than i was used to. I usually sex them in cups then transplant. Since these were suposed to be fem seeds i thought id get all females so wasn't worried about wasting dirt.

I have it in the back of my head that maybe when the roots get to a certain size relative to plant matter, a hormone or some thing is produced that induces the flowering. Maybe this is all tied some how to the roots.

Hydro AF's always get bigger and seem to veg longer before they flower. Even you stated you seen massive root growth. My AA's that i speak of also had ALOT of roots, the whole mass of dirt was basically roots. I really had to break them up when i composted the soil.

This is nothing i have proven, just some things i have noticed in my AF travels. The trigger for flower intrigues me, so i notice small things that have affected my AF's. Maybe flowering is delayed by letting the roots have as much room as you can give them.

Don't know if this applies to the dwarf phenos... They are the same in cups or big bags, for me anyways.

It's a tricky thing..

 

[Tropic]

Interesting thoughts Bighill! Makes me think of some regular strains (ie. AK47) that are said to sometimes autoflower when rootbound... could be onto something here... would be interesting to see a test, comparing plants from the same seedbatch, some started in 2gals others in party cups to sex before transplant. However I think the impressive size of AF plants grown in hydro is because of the explosive growth rates, but in the end it makes up for more yield. Can't comment on the "seem to veg longer" part however, because I haven't grown AFs in hydro.

 

[Xtensity]

The parents of those plants may have not been stable autos. You can breed 2 autos but it does not guarantee all auto-flower offsprings unless you can garuntee that the parents are STABLE autos. I know for a fact there is many 'Autoflower' strains sold on sites that are not stable autoflowers.

 

[CraftyApe]

In the case of this trait over other AF strains I have used, the roots are insignificantly small. I generally grow them out in two or three liter bottles but with a trick that is a variation of something one or our gurus Mdanzig shows in his pics. I cut a hole in the top of the bottle the right size to slip one of the convenience store cup holder cups for a raised planting like scenario like you see in his grows. I grow them out for a little bit in the cups and then cut the bottom out of the cup and snug it right into the prepared opening in the bottle, a little gaffer tape round the join and you are good. Gives a nice tall and essentially free tree pot situation re root growth.

All of the other varieties will fill up the space big time with root mass that require lots of breaking up before composting as stated earlier. All of the varieties I have tried do this except this Poison Dwarf. It barely shoots a tap root to the bottom.

I know that better root mass tends to mean more production and that seems to be the case with this strain but since this one shows sex so very fast, is good for pain patients if allowed to go longer and has the one unusual effect I have been using it a lot compared to other strains despite the lower yield.

This time in hydro they are not getting substantially taller but the extra time vegging has made them into 12-14 inch dense bushes rather than the foot tall (if female, 18inch if if male) stick with almost no branching and very little foliage.

I did flip over to 20/4 but it is too early to tell if anything has changed but we will see. Just seems odd that it would be needed as it never has been with this strain in the past. Ah well, everything is a process. Further updates as events warrant.