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Prop 19 will not protect you!!!

GanjaAL

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Yup and more to come... for everyone who thinks that that the fed will let everything go once it is legal for rec use... I feel is in for a rude awakening. If they are ignoring federal policy... what makes you think they will not ignore state policy???? Rember... if they are bold enough to go after MMJ patients... Rec users and suppliers will be put on notice.
Just in case... people who are really thinking of voting yes on 19 should look over the Federal laws of what they will do to you if caught up in this mess!


After word spread of DEA raids on medical marijuana collectives in San Diego and Mendocino County last week, many are left wondering if federal agents deliberately violated the Obama administration’s instructions to not interfere with state medical marijuana laws.
Under the Department of Justice policy announced in an October memo, federal agents are no longer supposed to target or prosecute medical marijuana patients or providers who operate in “clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state law.”
Yet, according to local accounts, the sites raided last week were legal under state law. From the Press Democrat:
Mendocino County Sheriff Tom Allman confirmed Friday that the [raided] property owner had the proper paperwork and the marijuana was legal in the eyes of the county.
“This was a federal operation and had nothing to do with local law enforcement,” he said. “The federal government made a decision to go ahead and eradicate it.”
Steve Elliott has more in Alternet:
A multi-agency federal task force descended on the property of Joy Greenfield, the first Mendo patient to pay the $1,050 application fee under the ordinance, which allows collectives to grow up to 99 plants provided they comply with certain regulations.
Greenfield had applied in the name of her collective, “Light The Way,” which opened in San Diego earlier this year. Her property had passed a preliminary inspection by the Mendo sheriff’s deputies shortly before the raid, and she had bought the sheriff’s “zip-ties” intended to designate her cannabis plants as legal.
In the days before the raid, Greenfield had seen a helicopter hovering over her property; she inquired with the sheriff, who told her the copter belonged to the DEA and wasn’t under his control.
The agents invaded her property with guns drawn, tore out the collective’s 99 plants and took Greenfield’s computer and cash.
Joy was not at home during the raid, but spoke on the phone to the DEA agent in charge. When she told [him] she was a legal grower under the sheriff’s program, the agent replied, “I don’t care what the sheriff says.”

The DEA has not yet released any statement explaining their actions, which all reports indicate violated their DOJ-issued guidelines.
With the number of state medical marijuana laws at 14 and growing, there is an urgent need for the federal government to ensure that its policy on state medical marijuana laws is made “clear and unambiguous” to its enforcers as well. The DOJ guidelines issued in October should have done just that, but apparently the DEA in California didn’t get the memo.



The Key to getting this done right... Hold elected officials accountable and LE liable!

Remember people... fed pen is not joke!
 

GanjaAL

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Obama is at the top... also what people do not understand... the new SOP comes that rogue agent that raided that guy in CO. He is now training all offices and personel on how to do things now.
 
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feral

Its not about just making it legal it's about states taking back control of what happens inside their state lines. Many states are watching this and have similar happenings on the back burner waiting for the outcome. Has much as the federal government is a bunch of idiots I don't think they are going to go after every grower, smoker if this passes. It would be a waste of money. Cali can be a leader now in making it legal and set the stage for a monumental decision or play pussy and buckle under the feds threats and their own greed for $$$$$ by keeping it illegal.
 

GanjaAL

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If they really want to get at them.. draw up a bill that will alow it for all voters and in it... have a clause where the state and LE can be held accountable for allowing Feds to come in and violate its people.
 
I

IE2KS_KUSH

lol....some folks.
This will probably be a humorous thread. Popcorn ready..
 

GanjaAL

Member
lol....some folks.
This will probably be a humorous thread. Popcorn ready..

I am a med patient... and to me... people going to jail is not funny. With this new law... it could give people a false sense of security and land a whole lot of people in jail... and not that state pen but the fed pen.

Also the more power we give the state and feds to regulate the more they can strangle us.

We need to decriminalize not regulate and take it off the Sch. I list.

Just my thoughts.
 

igrowone

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by that rationale, any state MJ legalization law will fail
but that is plainly not the case, otherwise the state MMJ laws would have had no effect
the reality is, things will change, and the change is it will be more difficult for the federal government to enforce its failed MJ laws
 

GanjaAL

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Contrary to the belief that it will keep people out of jail for marijuana, this initiative actually creates new demographics of people to incarcerate. (See Fact #2 and Fact #3) It is difficult to see how the government would save on court and imprisonment costs if the initiative merely shifts arrests from one demographic to another.

Myth #2: The initiative will keep young adults out of jail for using marijuana.
Fact: This initiative would put more young people in jail for pot. If it becomes law, any adult 21 or over who passes a joint to another adult aged 18-20 would face six months in jail and a $1,000 fine. [8] (NORML's Web site reports that the current penalty for a gift of marijuana of 1 oz. or less is a $100 fine.[9])

Myth #3: You'll be able to light up freely in the privacy of your home.
Fact: That depends. Under the initiative, even adults consuming marijuana in the privacy of their homes could face arrest if there are minors present (not something one would expect from an initiative that claims to treat marijuana like alcohol and tobacco)[10]. Current marijuana law contains no such restrictions. Thanks to Prop. 215, which legalized marijuana for medicinal use, cannabis consumers have been legally free to smoke in the privacy of their homes since 1997. This initiative seeks to undermine that freedom, making it absolutely illegal to smoke marijuana if there are minors present. (The initiative is ambiguous with regard to whether “present” means being in the same room as the consumer, the same house, the same apartment building, or within wafting distance—apparently leaving this up to the interpretation of judges.) There is no exception for medical marijuana patients or for parents consuming in the presence of their own children.
 

Hash Zeppelin

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PROP 19 WILL HELP

that rouge officer will be fired, or demoted. the case will be thrown out of court because the judges are also instructed to do so. All she needs to do is present the information. then the can sue when she wins.

Prop 19 will make enforcement even more impossible. They will be forced to give up. Prop 19 will cause a domino effect. people that dont see that are straight up small minded. You really do not see the big picture of how important this is.

The BIGGEST step to ending alcohol prohibition was states rights. the individual states did it first, and individual counties before that. things work from the ground up in american government.
 
K

kannubis

My views on the Myths #1 & 2

Personally, I don't consider an 18 year old as an adult. After joining the US Army at 17 with many similar aged cohorts, there is no way I was an adult at 18, nor were they. Just the facts as I experienced them. Hell, most 21 year olds don't fit the term "adult" either, especially in the world of today.

What is wrong with a smoke-free zone for children? It is in their best interest.

I will not say I agree with the government, but it ain't gonna get any better witout a first step taken. There will be problems as we go. Show me anything that doesn't have problems to deal with that is worth doing.
 

dagnabit

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wow another thread spreading lies about the only serious legalization bill from a member with only 10 posts?
are these new members who support prohibition
a.old members ashamed of their prohibitionists leanings
b.leo
c.paid hacks?
 

GanjaAL

Member
Sorry brother... I am a med patient and usually attend other forums. I just thought I would post this up. No biggy... I will let this die... I just wanted to give another perspective on it.

I am officially done with this thread.
 

Hash Zeppelin

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when cases keep getting sent to federal judges and have to keep getting thrown out, the DOJ will ask all the defendants in the bogus busts, who did it and this agents name keeps coming up then he will be disciplined. Other DEA agents have already been disciplined for braking Eric Holders rules. It just has to go through the process first.

you are fear monger. please stop. saying this bill wont help when it will clearly help move things along for the nation. Even if the agent doesn't get disciplined or fired this is still just fear mongering. it is uncalled for, and is a direct insult to the intelligence of the people of this site, and other voters.

STOPPING NOW IS LIKE GIVING UP AND TURNING AROUND AFTER THE HALF WAY POINT. TO GET LEGALIZATION THE STATES WILL HAVE TO CHALLENGE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. THERE WILL BE NO SUCH THING AS AN EASY WAY OR GOOD BILL. EVER. SO LETS GET JUST GET IT DONE AND POLISH IT LATER.

PLEASE READ A US GOVERNMENT 101 book. Also watch c-span. my old high school government teacher would hit you in the face with a ruler if you were in her class. lol
 

Hash Zeppelin

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wow another thread spreading lies about the only serious legalization bill from a member with only 10 posts?
are these new members who support prohibition
a.old members ashamed of their prohibitionists leanings
b.leo
c.paid hacks?


I think they are all LEO, or paid ass holes.... that are very lucky this web site doesnt let me see their home address. jk. the guy who started this thread is actually alright. (i find my sense of humor is so dark i have to say im kidding)
 
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IE2KS_KUSH

DEA ever raid anyone in Alaska for christ sake, I mean they have the best laws no? I realize 45 people live there, (I kid) and I realize it's not a I dunno...exciting to put in the media, but really. You do hear of shit in Colorado from time to time and Michigan, Montana, but....nothing like CA. I realize that it's because for them it's ducks in a barrel, least work most reward. But that being said,
The law will help.
People that live in CA. Basically.
THere will continue to be good people that go down hard via the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, just as they have while operating under 215. That won't change, and no doubt as well as good, there will be people that are ligit breaking the law and or are "bad", that get busted w/ the good, the Feds don't fucking care. Take now ask later. So that will continue, while the law will be better basically for the everyday joe, in CA. Again for the most part. And who knows, there could be some totally fucking random ass thing that know one fucking can even concieve of that happens as an indirect or direct result. In the mean time I don't fucking care what happens one way or another, I am going to grow my own dope, smoke, eat it, do whatever I fucking want, and I don't fucking care whether it's legal or not. I am gonna do what I do regardless.

While I agree that the law is good in general for people in CA, even if I still lived there, I would feel that it isn't exactly anything to jump up and down about, especially considering the history of the feds w/ regard to CA state law. They don't give a fuck remember. While most everyone there is fine, safe, and generally speaking if they are smart, responsible, then you will be fine. But believe me, they will come take your ass out of bed in the morning at gunpoint if they want. And everyone knows this. So it does harm some people, and I know, it sucks. But most people it's pretty good, and is good enough. And I won't get excited until it's appropriately placed on the drug schedule and I am not talking about some bullshit sched 2, I am talking lowest level period where it should be.

I would love to see multiple states all agree to LEGALIZE it flat out. But that is a fucking pipe dream, and I don't believe it will happen in my life. So fuck them....sorry end of high ass rant lol..
 

Hash Zeppelin

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I believe if a state is able to legalize and show the rest of the nation is really isnt bad than they will be much more likely to take it off the list.

everyone already knows it was scheduled wrongly by the feds during a power trip OD. now the feds just need a hard slap in the face to wake up to reality about weed. I pinched their butts already and it didnt work. after the face slap comes the bath tub full of cold water. if all else fails go for the adrenaline shot straight to the heart pulp fiction style. remember pierce the breast plate. lol
 

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