maryanne3087
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Ah right you're a hydro guy.
Lucas vs GH 3part
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I threw the green grow bottle out nearly 15 years ago. Only difference was pH control became much easier (don't know why but, it did)
Lucas is based on the Frank/Rosenthal NPK numbers. These numbers CANNOT be approximated when using the Grow bottle. Using Micro and Bloom alone, you can get real close.
Lucas is based on the Frank/Rosenthal NPK numbers. These numbers CANNOT be approximated when using the Grow bottle. Using Micro and Bloom alone, you can get real close.
maryanne3087
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I'm not interesting in using the Lucas formula if using the full flora line. I'm looking to see how things compare with Lucas vs. 3 part feeding programs.
Are you saying nothing has changed in terms of performance except for pH control being improved when cutting out the Grow component?
Are you saying nothing has changed in terms of performance except for pH control being improved when cutting out the Grow component?
sodiumsunburn
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I've tried Lucas and the 3 part GH....but these days I just use FloraNova Grow for veg and FloraNova Bloom for flowering. They seem to all pretty much work the same, in my experience.
FWIW, Lucas uses bloom formula during veg....he claims that a bloom formula during veg makes the branches grow thicker, and that thicker branches grow bigger buds. (if it does, I haven't noticed.)
FWIW, Lucas uses bloom formula during veg....he claims that a bloom formula during veg makes the branches grow thicker, and that thicker branches grow bigger buds. (if it does, I haven't noticed.)
maryanne, do you want to use GH flora in a 1-2-3/3-2-1 or a 1-1-1? I'm not gonna lie. i have friends who push me to use 1-1-1 and swear by it. it definitely works. when AN first came out grow micro bloom 3 part, their regiment was equal parts. it seems they pushing that same scenario again. I did have great results running 1-1-1 and I did not have too much PH issues even with Big bud, Calmg+, and carbo load/voodoo juice w B-52. Floranova bloom is the lucas forumla, and it works from veg through bloom like gang busters. it's thick and a pain in the arse to mix though. not to mention it precipitates pretty quickly. found some BIG phosphate rocks in a liter of FNB and that pretty much ended my use of it. 6/9 micro/bloom or 6/12 works great for me. I don't like to go over 1000 ppm. I also use RO and calmg+ with floralicious+. 8/16 can fry some sativas, but most indica or hybrids seem to do just fine. I use 6grams of maxi bloom which is very close to the lucas formula and I don't even need a meter anymore. $12 a can and it lasts forever.
I bet a lot of people who have only used lucas for years and years would be surprised if they changed things up.
maryanne3087
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I don't mind using all 3 bottles and adjusting the feed every week. I was thinking of maybe following this. A friend on another site says it grows everything he's tried well and huge. It's the formula trichome technologies uses.
Grow / Micro / Bloom
cloning: 0.25/ 0.25/ 0.25
rooted clones: 0.5/ 0.5 / 0.5
early Veg: 1/ 1/ 1
Mid Veg: 1.25/ 1.25/ 1
late Veg: 1.5/ 1.5/ 1
early bloom: 1.5/ 1/ 1.5
mid bloom: 1.75/ 0.75/ 1.75
late bloom: 2.0/ 0.5/ 2
later: 2.5/ 0.5/ 2.5-3.0
ballplayer 2
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^^^^,
Are these tsp. or Tblsp figures?
Are these tsp. or Tblsp figures?
C
Carl Carlson
What's your source of water maryanne? Are you growing, drain to waste style?
you might want to read this series too:
pH Management and Plant Nutrition, Bill Argo
This is well known stuff in, what's the word....professional? and collegiate greenhouse operations. And also in the Aquarist and reef - keeping communities. It's well established, agreed upon science and techniques that are for some reason not well known by many in the cannabis communities. Most people think water quality begins and ends with pH.
The short version is if your growing dtw with higher quality water and nutrients with low ammoniacal nitrogen content (like GH Flora), than the plants roots and the coir mix are going to alter the pH of the water + nutrients that you feed it, and not the other way around. And either way - good water or not, coir is not inert, which means that you cannot micromanage the pH of it as if it's a computer program by lowering or raising the pH of the water + nutes a tenth here or a tenth there. If you use shitty water (high alkalinity), you will raise the pH of the coco over time, but not instantaneously.
Use good water, a complete fertilizer, provide a healthy environment and don't overfeed. Those are some basic rules for DTW - Coir. Accomplish that and you should never see signs of a nutrient deficiency. It's not nearly as complicated as some more hydro type setups.
you might want to read this series too:
pH Management and Plant Nutrition, Bill Argo
This is well known stuff in, what's the word....professional? and collegiate greenhouse operations. And also in the Aquarist and reef - keeping communities. It's well established, agreed upon science and techniques that are for some reason not well known by many in the cannabis communities. Most people think water quality begins and ends with pH.
The short version is if your growing dtw with higher quality water and nutrients with low ammoniacal nitrogen content (like GH Flora), than the plants roots and the coir mix are going to alter the pH of the water + nutrients that you feed it, and not the other way around. And either way - good water or not, coir is not inert, which means that you cannot micromanage the pH of it as if it's a computer program by lowering or raising the pH of the water + nutes a tenth here or a tenth there. If you use shitty water (high alkalinity), you will raise the pH of the coco over time, but not instantaneously.
Use good water, a complete fertilizer, provide a healthy environment and don't overfeed. Those are some basic rules for DTW - Coir. Accomplish that and you should never see signs of a nutrient deficiency. It's not nearly as complicated as some more hydro type setups.
C
Carl Carlson
I think that one of the reasons the 2 part (no FloraGro) recipes work so well is that % of ammoniacal nitrogen in the FloraMicro is so low. If you were stuck with poorer water, it might help to use the FloraGro.
why would anyone drop the micros so low in bloom????
no offense, but I don't care what Trichrome tech does. I seen their grow room. Mine kicks their ass. as does my NFT system, fert regiment, and my strain list. It's not my ego, it's just a matter of opinion.
the big 1000w MH in the middle is hurting them more than it benefits them. just because someone can breed, don't make them expert growers, and just because they have a $40k ventilation system shows me how ignorant they are. been running closed loop CEA grows for quite some time. never cost me $40k even when I ran 3x as much lighting! and drop the friggin hoods!!!! have these guys ever heard of the inverse quare law???
!!!!!Just because your in HT, don't mean you know dick about growing or fertigation. I been in HT, Weedworld, skunk, etc. won me garden of the month on ed R's quicktrading.com 5 years ago and it's still up there! B-F-D! my most prized accolades came from winning the Vegas cup a couple years ago, having my writings published in max yield and being paid a shit ton of money to write an AN users guide.
When people like Ask Erik call me and ask my opinion about a story their going to write I feel validated enough. when I get +K for helping you guys out, it feels good to know I'm appreciated. successfully taking down a 28 lighter 4x in a year validates me to myself. again, it's not an ego thang though it may sound it. at the end of the day,I just want people to grow better pot. Anyone can grow pot. growing a LOT really good connoisseur "elite" medicinal grade cannabis is a whole different story altogether.
have these guys ever heard of the inverse quare law???
If you don't look you aren't gay?
maryanne3087
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It's late so I don't have the energy to read the long version of the link. Thank you though I will read it tomorrow.
I'm going to use tap water which is 140ppm/.2ec and it's going to be DTW coco in pots. I'm thinking of trying a SoG with ebb and flow coco with my friends assistance I want to try it out to optimize the floorspace used in my room.
The formula recommended to me seems to use higher pH's of 6-6.5 mostly in the 6.1-6.3 range. I'll need to do some experimenting to figure out what a good pH range is for the nutrients and water I'm using. I'll need to figure out where to cap the nutrient solution ppms at too.
I think I'm going to try to sleep soon, Thanks again!
maryanne3087
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why would anyone drop the micros so low in bloom????
no offense, but I don't care what Trichrome tech does. I seen their grow room. Mine kicks their ass. as does my NFT system, fert regiment, and my strain list. It's not my ego, it's just a matter of opinion.
the big 1000w MH in the middle is hurting them more than it benefits them. just because someone can breed, don't make them expert growers, and just because they have a $40k ventilation system shows me how ignorant they are. been running closed loop CEA grows for quite some time. never cost me $40k even when I ran 3x as much lighting! and drop the friggin hoods!!!! have these guys ever heard of the inverse quare law???
Just because your in HT, don't mean you know dick about growing or fertigation. I been in HT, Weedworld, skunk, etc. won me garden of the month on ed R's quicktrading.com 5 years ago and it's still up there! B-F-D! my most prized accolades came from winning the Vegas cup a couple years ago, having my writings published in max yield and being paid a shit ton of money to write an AN users guide.
When people like Ask Erik call me and ask my opinion about a story their going to write I feel validated enough. when I get +K for helping you guys out, it feels good to know I'm appreciated. successfully taking down a 28 lighter 4x in a year validates me to myself. again, it's not an ego thang though it may sound it. at the end of the day,I just want people to grow better pot. Anyone can grow pot. growing a LOT really good connoisseur "elite" medicinal grade cannabis is a whole different story altogether.
I don't really read HT and don't know much about Trichome Technologies other than they are cali breeders. Someone just suggested that schedule who grows similar strains as I do and said they grew well, deficient free, and got good yields.
I'm all ears to any advice or alternate schedules or reasons to use whatever components of the GH Flora series. This is why I made the thread. I'm not praising anyone.
maryanne3087
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BTW too high.
Those rates were Micro, Grow, Bloom.
It's grow that's super low in flower.
Sorry for the confusion!
They've also since updated it a little.
Those rates were Micro, Grow, Bloom.
It's grow that's super low in flower.
Sorry for the confusion!
They've also since updated it a little.
I use <100ppm spring water,it's KEY to an excellent grow.
I don't argue about what "works",I just post what works right.
Hint: A Hanna Gro-check for PPM and pH monitoring is worth a gadzillion bucks.
Worth even more-the knowledge on its' correct usage in regards to cannabis cultivation.
There's SO much cut and paste/nutrient calculator BS online when "discussing" nutes.... Imo for the Most part a bunch of armchair fucking quarterbacks....and then there's The Real World of Cannabis Cutivation. I inhabit the latter,and post from real-life experience.
Cheers!
I don't argue about what "works",I just post what works right.
Hint: A Hanna Gro-check for PPM and pH monitoring is worth a gadzillion bucks.
Worth even more-the knowledge on its' correct usage in regards to cannabis cultivation.
There's SO much cut and paste/nutrient calculator BS online when "discussing" nutes.... Imo for the Most part a bunch of armchair fucking quarterbacks....and then there's The Real World of Cannabis Cutivation. I inhabit the latter,and post from real-life experience.
Cheers!
BTW too high.
Those rates were Micro, Grow, Bloom.
It's grow that's super low in flower.
Sorry for the confusion!
They've also since updated it a little.
Ah. see I read your post and it said grow-micro-bloom. makes a lot more sense now, but seriously, drop the grow!
maryanne3087
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I've got a Blue Lab Truncheon and Guardian. The guardian being their equivalent of the Hanna Gro-check.
I feel the same way you do about nutrients, of course lacking a decade + of experience using General Hydroponics. I question nutrient studies now before further investigating myself. I want reason to suspect such and such results with such and such nutrients I think this puts me ahead of where I would be jumping in mixing by chart. I've always felt priori knowledge to have it's own values and posteriori knowledge to be the bottom line.
I was under the impression he was using Floranova grow then adding back Floranova bloom without changing out his reservoir.
