Earth Juice Users

[loki3xb]

Hey RipVan-

Im thinking its the soil im using is why im getting some of these problems, its the first go with Just Right Xtra, it turns out to be very very rich/hot in everything.. Im going to water with some dechlorinated water for a few waterings and im feeling that should help, the new growth doesnt seem to be effected, so we shall see, all in do time.

 

[Dorje113]

Hey Loki and Rip... I'd buy a soil test kit for NPK and pH. I bet there's something off the charts.

Maybe think about simplifying the program? Both of you use an (IMO) overcomplicated feeding regimen.

 

[loki3xb]

Dorje113-

Thanks for the reply, I dont use all those things at once lol im going to post a few ways I use some of that stuff.

 

[Jdizzel]

Dorje113-

Thanks for the reply, I dont use all those things at once lol im going to post a few ways I use some of that stuff.

looking foward to some pics and how u use ur EJ mix
Thanks JDIZZEL

 

[loki3xb]

Hey All-

Okay this is a very brief rundown of some of my teas that I make..

(this is all per 1 gal)

Normal Tea VEG

1TBSP Earth Juice Grow
1 TSP Earth juice Bloom
1 TBSP Earth Juice Catalyst
1 TBSP Mexican Bat
1 TSP Liquid Karma
1 TSP Hygrozyme Enzyme (sometimes added during the tea brewing, sometimes after)
Handfull EWC (Earth Worm Casting)

Sometimes Tea VEG

1TBSP Earth Juice Grow
1 TSP Earth juice Bloom
1 TBSP Earth Juice Catalyst
1 TBSP GO Diamond Black
1 TSP Earth Juice Mirco Blast
1 TSP Liquid Karma
1 TSP Wholesome Molasses
1 TSP Roots Organics Oregonism XL
1 TSP GO CaMg+
1 TSP Hygrozyme Enzyme (sometimes added during the tea brewing, sometimes after)
Handful EWC


Right before Flower Tea

1TBSP Earth Juice Grow
1 TBSP Earth juice Bloom
1 TBSP Earth Juice Catalyst
1 TBSP GO Diamond Black
1 TBSP Wholesome Molasses (Per 5 Gal)
1 TBSP Peruvian Seabird
1 TSP GO CaMg+
1 TSP Hygrozyme Enzyme (sometimes added during the tea brewing, sometimes after)
Handful EWC

Normal Tea FLOWER

1 TBSP Earth Juice Bloom
1 TBSP Earth Juice Catalyst
1 TBSP Wholesome Molasses
1 TBSP Indonesian or Jamaican Bat
1-2 TSP Hygrozyme
Handful EWC

Sometimes Tea FLOWER

1 TBSP Earth Juice Bloom
1 TBSP Earth Juice Catalyst
1 TBSP Wholesome Molasses
1 TSP Earth Juice Meta K
1 TSP Liquid Karma
1-2 TSP Hygrozyme
1 TBSP Indonesian or Jamaican Bat
Handful EWC


This is when I dont brew a tea with just Earth Juice, the teas recipes above are when I add guano, when brewing just EJ I change some values.
Ive attracted some pictures from the last harvest, in the room at the time there was 11 plants and the list goes as follows.
-Acapulco Gold (3 different phenos)
-Super Lemon Haze
-BubbleGum

 

[Tactical Farmer]

Ive been ultra busy with summer projects & im physically / mentally spent right now.

Sorry I missed your problems guys, like Dorje said things might be overloaded & or out of balance ?

Whats your EC & PH runoff with pure water ?

EC more than 2.0 on a larger plant really seems to slow things down IMO.

PH around 6.3 (generally) seems to be my sweet spot.

Might want to try letting the soil dry out more & wait an extra day before watering ?

Sometimes see dead spots when the soil is too wet.

I would drop the molasses for the time being loki.

Sup Rip - Ill get back to things here soon.

* Will try to check in tomorrow morning after a power nap to help better.

 

[Tactical Farmer]

Can we do EC numbers here guys ? PPM has the 2 scales (x500 / x700) which is hard to work with.

Im a firm believer that meter testing is very important (if you want to maximize) nute uptake, etc.

Few organic growers here even look at PH (which blows my mind) but I would imagine even less look at EC (which also blows my mind).

In general pot farmers go to great levels growing super plants but have no interest in what the PH is or how insanely high the soils EC might be ?

Its not absolutely necessary I agree but for the small amount of time it takes to do it every week or so - those 2 numbers can tell me ALOT.

IMO getting the PH at the (sweet spot) is the first thing - around 6.3 generally works great, lower seems better than higher.

* My testing has shown that nute absorption slows greatly when PH is in the 7 zone.

 

[loki3xb]

Tactical

Like you said it blows your mind that some of us never check PH, well I hate to say it I'm in that category for the most part, I do check PH every once and a great while and 99% of the time its 6.5-6.9 which is IMO perfect, not quite sure why I test, wouldn't know what to do if it was off

I do not own a EC meter as I see no need to test that in my soil, I do use a TDS meter and sometimes (about as often as I test PH) I test the TDS (Total Dissolved Solids) of my runoff water and its around 1500-2100 depending on the stage.
For the most part I go by what Jmans said about the heard will take care of the PH, and
I'm a firm believer in that.

I think that sometimes the PH needs to fluctuate a bit so the plant can get more of one element at that particular time then another, and the heard does that in accordance with the plant, so all is happy...

 

[LunaShadow]

Can you effectively measure EC of organic nute solutions?

Isn't most of it insoluble and only made available to the plant through microbial breakdown?

 

[loki3xb]

Luna-

Thats a fantastic question, ill Let somebody more knowledgeable then me take that one... I would think you would be correct, with it not being accurate, but then again maybe because its run off water it is accurate.

 

[Tactical Farmer]

Organics & EC readings - This is even more of a danger zone to talk about here than the great PH debate but you know me

Luna - The numbers are a (rough guide) to the nutrient potency but they are consistent within (your system).

Simply finding your general EC (sweet spot) number range will take some time & cycles but should eliminate the guessing game with how much & when to feed.

Here is a simple general example:

Got a plant in full flower with runoff telling me the soil is at EC 2.0 / PPM 1000 or 1400 (my max sweet spot for this stain) 3 days later I water & my runoff EC drops to 1.6 showing me I need to feed now about 0.4 or in 3 more days about 0.8.

So I just add a dash of this & that till the tea gets to that number (not following a general guessing schedule).

What has led me to this working is noticing that when I get lazy & fed the standard way (TBS per gal) is the soil gets up to numbers like (EC 3.2 / PPM 1600 - 2240 & growth / health slows & EC levels slowly drop.

BUT when I keep runoff on larger plants near (EC 2.0 / PPM 1000 - 1400) they gobble up the nutes (EC runoff levels drop much quicker) & the plants grow great.

This is hard for me to explain - hope you can make sense of it ?

I ask the skeptics to check your runoff & post your readings - I would be willing to bet your numbers are really high ?

* This is just something I have been tinkering with for fun & im extremely happy with the results. This is a brief intro on it (needs its own thread) but if there is much interest then I would be willing to share more (in a different thread) about my lone travels down the organic ec rabbit hole.

 

[AOD2012]

i would be quite interested in that thread tactical. so ill be looking out for it.

 

[HappynPeaceful]

so how many people use EJ without bubbling it?

any input from someone who's done both?

 

[Tactical Farmer]

Nice legal disclaimer AOD & thanks for the positive vote.

May the force be with me as I can foresee the meter haters verbally gang raping me.

feelings will be hurt & the status quo will be crushed but for the greater good of marijuana plants everywhere, it must be done.


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Happy - your answer can be found in this thread but the consensus seems to be sometimes / never / all the time / mixes of all. lol

Just be advised it will be very acidic un-bubbled (lime type buffer needed).

Also - Bubbling massively increases beneficial organisms & speeds up the breaking down of nutes for quicker plant absorption.
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Tactical

Like you said it blows your mind that some of us never check PH, well I hate to say it I'm in that category for the most part, I do check PH every once and a great while and 99% of the time its 6.5-6.9 which is IMO perfect, not quite sure why I test, wouldn't know what to do if it was off

Your not in my mind blowing category loki because you know what your PH is

I do not own a EC meter as I see no need to test that in my soil, I do use a TDS meter and sometimes (about as often as I test PH) I test the TDS (Total Dissolved Solids) of my runoff water and its around 1500-2100 depending on the stage.
For the most part I go by what Jmans said about the heard will take care of the PH, and
I'm a firm believer in that.

TDS is the same as PPM correct ?

I think that sometimes the PH needs to fluctuate a bit so the plant can get more of one element at that particular time then another, and the heard does that in accordance with the plant, so all is happy...

Right on fluctuation is key

 

[Tactical Farmer]

Did some digging in my files & found the (red pill) that sent me down this rabbit hole several years ago.

Metanaturals brand fertilizers data

Conductivity and Nutrient Strength

Organically derived elements conduct electricity less effectively than do non-organic elements. Metanaturals organic nutrient formulas mask readings from conductivity and TDS meters to a significant degree, making readings an unreliable indicator of actual nutrient strength. A meter will always show less nutrient material than actually is present.

However, a meter can be a valuable tool for indicating, on a day-to-day basis, the relative strength of the nutrient. Even though readings will be lower than those for a nonorganic nutrient, they will be consistent. Keeping a careful
record of daily EC/TDS readouts and plant performance, from the beginning, will indicate the rate at which nutrient is used. An EC reading will, characteristically, increase for
a short period, as the microbial population converts more of the nutrients into forms that the meter can read. After the maximum reading is registered, the reading will decrease, at
a rate that reflects the rate at which nutrient is used. Usage recommendations on Metanaturals labels are slightly more than the minimum for growing a healthy plant. The
experienced grower should consider them a starting point and feel free to experiment with stronger or lesser doses depending on the plant material and the stage of growth.
Calculating nutrient strength, on a parts per million basis, is a simple and effective method of determining nutrient dosage.

* Im in super farm mode aka: Anabolic Amishman

Going to be away for a few days - if I dont check back soon either im in jail or the bear got me

 

[Zendo]

What are these meters you are all talking about?? PH?EC??TDS???

(sorry TF, you knew someone HAD to take a shot at SOME point)

Loki- Just my 2cents,, Oregonism is a good product. They source a custom blend from Mycorrhizal Applications, and I have used as well. Using that in a tea though is pretty much a waste of the product.

I would recommend putting into your soil mix before hand, or at any transplant directly on roots or in 'transplant hole'. If you felt you needed it after that, which you shouldn't, you could make holes in soil down to root zones and add that way.

I've heard a lot of bad and some good with the just right xtra, but the people who have said it's good either cut it with %30 perlite/%10 EWC, or mix it with other things like sunshine mix or peat, coco etc..

Where I live it's priced at the same level as FFOF ($21 1.5cf) and is considered a 'rip off'.

HTH

 

[loki3xb]

Zendo,

Im going to give the Just Right Xtra one more chance, as I think it was I who fucked it up in the first place, in regards to FFOF I used to use it and really liked it before they started to get weird and changed their formula. If I dont like the Just Right after this run, im going to try some Roots Organics soil not the 707 but the regular one, ive heard good things about that one.

For the Oregonism I dont always put it in a tea and I still apply it to the soil during the transplant, sometimes I just feel that adding a bit for a boost couldnt hurt

What do you use for soil and would you like to share your nute mix with us? I dont think Ive seen you post on this thread before...

 

[Zendo]

My buddy actually just switched from the xtra to the Roots organic, and he's happy. The main beef is that the xtra is too 'hot' and very dense.

I use:

60% Sun Gro "Sunshine Growers Natural and Organic"
20% Wiggle worm earth worm castings
20% perlite

1Tbs/gallon Greensand
1Tbs/gallon Pulverized Dolomite lime
1Tsp Mycorrhizal Fungi
2cups CC's Mineral Mix (2 cups per 5 gallons of soil mix)

I mix equal parts
Azomite
Soft Rock Phosphate
Glacial Rock Dust

soil 'works' for 2 weeks before planting, I keep moist with kelp tea.

I either add 1.5 cups per 5 gallons of a seed meal mix with the following:

Alfalfa meal
Cottonseed meal
Linseed meal
Canola meal
Soybean meal

or I leave those out and feed with general organics foods.

 

[loki3xb]

Zendo,

Thats the problem I had with Just Right, it was SUPER HOT, as for dense, I dont know about that seems to drain fine, but super super hot.. Almost killed some of my plants.

Which Roots Organic Soil is he using? I know they have a few different kinds...

I have 4 bags of Just Right left, I think im going to get a huge rubbermaid 50 GAL or something and mix the Just right and some Earth Juice Amazon Bloom and some Roots Organic Soil together to get well rounded soil, and from then on use roots organic

 

[Tactical Farmer]

Earth Juice User RED ALERT

I was getting a list ready for a re-supply & found a pile of new Earth Juice / Hydro Organics products.

They seem to be trying to out do Advanced Nutrients on diversity & cool lables but the prices are pretty darn good.

Verde Fire Grow 10-3-1

The Only Natural Solution Grade dry-powder formulas available. Mixed with water it makes an excellent liquid feed plant food for a variety of indoor/outdoor plants. May also be used in its dry form as a broadcast fertilizer or mixed directly into the media. For use with planting mixes, coco-coir, and native soils. Verde Fire Grow is recommended for leafy plants and the vegetative stage of flowering and fruiting plants. Use Verde Fire Bloom to aid in the development of flowers, vegetables and fruit as well as to promote the output of essential oils and fragrances of flowers and herbs. Apply at the first sign of budding and through flowering and fruiting. Indoor/outdoor plants, hand-feeding, drip systems and sprayers.

Verde Fire Bloom - 0-9-3

The Only Natural Solution Grade dry-powder formulas available. Mixed with water it makes an excellent liquid feed plant food for a variety of indoor/outdoor plants. May also be used in its dry form as a broadcast fertilizer or mixed directly into the media. For use with planting mixes, coco-coir, and native soils. Verde Fire Grow is recommended for leafy plants and the vegetative stage of flowering and fruiting plants. Use Verde Fire Bloom to aid in the development of flowers, vegetables and fruit as well as to promote the output of essential oils and fragrances of flowers and herbs. Apply at the first sign of budding and through flowering and fruiting. Indoor/outdoor plants, hand-feeding, drip systems and sprayers.

Elements Grow - 16-0-0

For use with Planting Mixes, Native Soils and as a Hydroponic Additive. Elements Grow is a High Nitrogen formula developed to encourage vigorous stem & leaf growth. May also be used as a Grow Booster or as part of the Elements Total Solution. Indoor/Outdoor Plants

Elements Bloom 0-16-16

For use with Planting Mixes, Native Soils and as a Hydroponic Additive.
Elements Bloom is a High Phosphorus formula developed to help promote budding, flowering and the production of essential oils and fragrances of flowers and herbs. May also be used as a Bloom Booster or as part of the Elements Total Solution.
Indoor/Outdoor Plants.


Elements Micro - 0-0-1

great for indoor & outdoor plants. For use with planting mixes, native soils and as a hydroponic additive. Elements Micro is a micronutrient formula developed for plants to help prevent and treat micronutrient deficiencies. For use as a Micronutrient Booster or as part of Elements Total Solution.

Soluble potash...................1.0%
boron..................................0.02%
cobalt................................0.0005%
Iron...................................0.10%
Molybenum.......................0.0005%
Zinc..................................0.05%

* Different than Microblast 1-0-0 - Elements Micro has no Magnesium or Manganese * Nitrogen & Potash levels are reversed.

Big Bloomin’ Liquid Guano - 0-4-0

This natural liquid plant food is clog-resistant, non-burning, odor and dust free, making it an excellent choice for a variety of applications as well as a superior bloom formula for all fruiting and flowering plants. Take the "Natural Path" in encouraging the production of blooms, essential oils and fragrances. Can be use by itself or together with other fertilizers. Indoor/outdoor plants, soil and hydroponics.

Solution Guano - 0-8-1

The only "Solution Grade" Bloom” guano powder available. May be mixed with water for to make a liquid feed, mixed directly into media or used as a broadcast fertilizer. The clog-resistant performance allows for use with a variety of applicators. Its micro-fine properties provides for rapid penetration into the soil structure aiding in the plant’s ability in obtaining the nutrients. For indoor/outdoor plants, soil and hydroponics.

GoGnats

goGnats is a poison-free alternative for the effective control of fungus gnats, mites, aphids, whitefly, thrips and a host of garden and hydroponic pests. goGnats liquid may be sprayed directly on plants, surfaces of planting mixes and areas of infestations. For hydroponics, may be added to reservoir and hydroponic solution to control waterborne, root zone and media borrowing pests. Exempt from EPA registration under section 25(b) of FIFRA. Not for sale in/to:In, KY, MS, TN,VT.

NeemShine

A Neem Oil Leaf Shine that mixes easily with water.

Aerobag 1-3-5-10-25-50-100-200-400 GAL Capacity

Extra sturdy lightweight fabric hydroponic and soil grow bags with handles. The fabric construction allows for increase aeration which will help reduce problems associated with over watering and when filled will contour to the shape of the ground for extra stability. Great for container gardening and hydroponics. Reusable and fold for easy storage. Indoor/Outdoor plants, soil and hydroponics. Bag is 20" x 20", holds 95 liters and 3.34 cubic feet.

Rooter's Mycorrhizae

Proprietary blend of 11 mycorrhizal fungi selected for a broad spectrum of plants, media and environments. Harmonizes with the plant's root system and constructs a microbial network that will vastly improve most plants' growth and vigor. For soil and hydroponic applications.

Procoir Pure Coco-Coir

Popular worldwide as a planting medium and alternative to peat moss this superior quality coir, first offered by Hydro-Organics in 1996, still remains the favorite of hobbyist and commercial growers throughout the U.S. and abroad. Procoir exclusive "damp environment" design offers increased aeration along with the lowest salt-index (EC) for assured and reliable results. Available in a 22 oz compressed briquette and 11 lb compressed bale. The very popular 11 lb bale makes, at breakout and hydration, 2.5-3.0 cf of planting medium and offers a convenient built-in handle for easy transport. For indoor/outdoor plants, hand-feeding and hydroponics.
HOW TO HYDRATE A BALE: To a 20 gallon tub fill with 7 gallons of water. Add 7 Tbsp of Earth Juice Grow and 2 tsp of Earth Juice Assist. Mix well. Add 1 Procoir bale to the solution. The material will expand in approximately 15 minutes. A natural way to get your plants off to a great start.

Aerorocks

A Hydroponic Growing Medium. A fired-blown clay material that is sterile, lightweight that can used in hydroponics, blended with soils for improved aeration, or as decorative top dressing for container plants. Use it alone in hydroponics or try blending it with Coir or your favorite planting mix for superior aeration. Aerorock is much better alternative to perlite. It will help buffer nutrients and not loose it structure and air holding capacity. General Rule of Thumb for Maximum Aeration: Line the bottom of an Aerobag with a layer of Aerorock and fill the Aerobag with a mix of 1 part Aerorocks to 9 parts ProCoir or Amazon Bloom. Indoor/Outdoor plants, soil and hydroponics.

Soy-FUL - 0-1-0

A liquid plant nutrient produced from fermented soybeans to be used as part of a complete fertilization program through all stages of plant development. For Indoor/Outdoor plants. Soil and especially recommend for use in hydroponics and foliar sprays. Replaces Hydro-Organics “Fulvic”.

Elements Cal-N-Mag - 2-0-0-3:Cal-1:Mag

For use with Planting Mixes, Native Soils and as a Hydroponic Additive. Elements Cal“N”Mag is a Calcium and Magnesium formula developed for plants to help prevent and treat Calcium and Magnesium deficiencies. For use as a Calcium and Magnesium Booster or as part of Elements Total Solution. Indoor/Outdoor Plants.

Here is the new but older Sugar Peak & Sweet & Heavy stuff * info on 1st page.