RAND corporation study on legalization

[Hemphrey Bogart]

Found this on the interwebs. The study is quite long and is available as a .pdf from this link. Interesting reading.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/occasional_papers/OP315/?ref=homepage&key=t_marijuana_plant

 

[Tony Aroma]

I think their conclusions are based on some incorrect assumptions and ignore actual facts. It sounds like their economic analysis is based on some economics textbook chapter on supply and demand. Everything they say is based purely on speculation. They don't even consider what has happened in other countries, which invalidates many of their predictions, which are pretty vague to begin with. It reminds me of stock analysts who make lots of predictions about what a particular company will or won't do, but know very little about the company or the industry.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Well the Price will depend on the demand. But saying all cannabis will be one price is like saying all cars cost the same!

If I buy I will want a brand that I believe is grown with no less care than i would. I don't even like sharing weed with the group since i worry about how it was grown.

So would i pay for cannabis? Yes.. Especially if it meets my quality standards and I am wanting to grow something new and want to sample first.

I would love to go and get a cup of Coffee, buy some samples and try them then decide to buy the seeds or not all in a nice place that has green plants and fresh air with some nice music playing, being served by a staff that is enjoying their day.

Also.. what about related purchases? Rand is suggesting a one dimensional political point of view!

 

[JackTheGrower]

This research in the public interest was supported by RAND, using discretionary funds made possible by the generosity of RAND's donors and the fees earned on client-funded research. http://www.rand.org/feature/independent/

Rather vague isn't it.. Then what do we expect from a Trusted Government group?

 

[JackTheGrower]

I am wrong on Rand..

Celebrating 20 years of vigorous commitment toward creating a firm, empirical foundation upon which sound drug policies can be built.

My Bad.. I don't know everything..

http://www.rand.org/multi/dprc/

reading the PDF

This product is part of the RAND Corporation occasional paper series. RAND
occasional papers may include an informed perspective on a timely policy issue, a
discussion of new research methodologies, essays, a paper presented at a conference, a
conference summary, or a summary of work in progress. All RAND occasional papers
undergo rigorous peer review to ensure that they meet high standards for research
quality and objectivity.

That is a fancy way to say "Political Publishing on demand"


It's titled

Altered State?
Assessing How Marijuana
Legalization in California Could
Influence Marijuana Consumption
and Public Budgets
Beau Kilmer, Jonathan P. Caulkins,
Rosalie Liccardo Pacula, Robert J. MacCoun,
Peter H. Reuter

 

[JackTheGrower]

Our media is failing to see the truth and is reporting speculation as fact.

The Nature of the Rand report:

We stress that the current analysis is not intended to provide a comprehensive cost-benefit analysis of the impact of legalizing marijuana in California.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Anyone notice that the "Target" group they are studying are 12-17 year olds?

What happened to relating Prop 19 to adults 21 and over? I am still reading.. Anyone else reading?

 

[JackTheGrower]

If we read this report with the understanding it is more a thought exercise then most everything they present is reasonable.

I do not think the War of Cannabis costs only $300 Million a year. There is all the associated costs the least of which is the Human cost.

However the Rand paper seems to be a "Warm~Fuzzy" paper with soft tones. The admissions that Use doesn't go up with decriminalization was a welcome "Warm~Fuzzy."

So by their own statements they don't know what will happen but they seem to suggest that it may not be all that bad.

The current California proposals to legalize marijuana would go well beyond cannabis reforms in any other nation to date—even the Dutch cannabis coffee-shop system.

I for one am proud to be a Californian. I look forward to mini-vacations in State.. Our "Drug Tourism" may include our own people going to the beach or other places in the State when they normally don't make the effort!

I mean relaxing on the beach of some Bed&Breakfast Inn where i can smoke, eat, drink and party the night away. I think i would stay at least three days.. That sounds like a nice stress reduction situation!

Do have a read everyone.. This is going to be touted more than the Sheriff's Report.

It is not a paper that claims to actually know things.. They are in the same boat as the rest of us.

However, I have the point of view that

The Best way to regulate the Market for Cannabis is for us to each grow all we want.

We may value this plant but no society can be based on substance use alone and Capitalism certainly isn't the reason we like Cannabis.

Why this has to be a fight between Wall-Street and the Hippy is puzzling but it is happening on an International level.

So "Way to go California!" We sure so tend to be ahead of the curve.. Now get a Vote-Buddy.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Hot Potato!

Hot Potato!

It has gone Hot Potato!

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary...use.-Is-this-what-parents-want-for-their-kids

I have a comment in but we shall see if they allow it.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/occasional_papers/OP315/...

That is the Study. It's a "Warm~Fuzzy" feeling paper. It's more a "Thought Exercise" Their Target group is 12 to 17 year old children.
Have a read.

I wanted to ask y'all to understand that drug dealing with kids will be limited once the profit motive goes away if Prop 19 passes.
The reason Adults need to ask teen age kids to find cannabis is because it is not in the stores. If we put cannabis in the stores then we can control access to it better. We also take the kids out of the distribution network.
Also a No vote on Prop 19 is a Yes vote for our current market system and yes we have a Cannabis market system that includes the "Al Capone" types.
Vote yes on 19 and let the good people of California take control of Cannabis because we have lost the War on Cannabis and we have little control now

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

Jack, your analysis of this Rand study makes perfect sense. I personally could care less if the price dropped to nothing, as long as this very positive culture of growing and sharing genetics keeps supporting the improvement of our beloved godbush.

 

[JackTheGrower]

Jack, your analysis of this Rand study makes perfect sense. I personally could care less if the price dropped to nothing, as long as this very positive culture of growing and sharing genetics keeps supporting the improvement of our beloved godbush.

Agreed.. It's like the "Only" thing that legalizing is for is money?

The Hippie vs Wall-Street scenario.

So when we run into folks who say things about the Rand "Occasional paper" and it is correctly called an occasional paper, is to ask them if they read it and what do they think of Rand using terms like Maybe it will do this or Maybe it will go that way.

I thought at first it was hard core "Gospel Truth." It is "far far away" truth if anything.

So yes Cannabis Freedom has nothing to do with Sales. Capitalism, or sales as we know it, comes after we have freedom. It cannot be the reason we get Cannabis Liberty.