definition of a vertical grow?

[dtfsux]

I see some nice grows here but maybe my definition of a vertical grow is different. When I hear vertical grow, I expect to see plants on multiple levels like on shelves.

Hanging bulbs vertically on a flat garden doesn't seem very high tech/cutting edge nor something that should be in the vert/coli forum. To me the vert/coli forum should be a place where growers are utilizing space better/differently

The grows are great, its just my opinion they may be mis-categorized.

 

[wickedpete66]

I see some nice grows here but maybe my definition of a vertical grow is different. When I hear vertical grow, I expect to see plants on multiple levels like on shelves.

Hanging bulbs vertically on a flat garden doesn't seem very high tech/cutting edge nor something that should be in the vert/coli forum. To me the vert/coli forum should be a place where growers are utilizing space better/differently

The grows are great, its just my opinion they may be mis-categorized.

I just completed a vertical grow on a flat garden. never again. I just took out the cool tube and reinstalled my daystar ac and scrog screen.

I agree . A vertical works best if you have multi tiered system. My hydro hut is to small to achieve that

 

[Ursus]

I just completed a vertical grow on a flat garden. never again. I just took out the cool tube and reinstalled my daystar ac and scrog screen.

I agree . A vertical works best if you have multi tiered system. My hydro hut is to small to achieve that

I like to hang my light vertically and then scrog vertically aswell, because I have 40sqr feet to grow, but if I wrap the screen around each wall, it almost triples my surface area.

 

[wickedpete66]

I like to hang my light vertically and then scrog vertically aswell, because I have 40sqr feet to grow, but if I wrap the screen around each wall, it almost triples my surface area.

One of the problems i have is that i veg in a separate cabinet. So the plants are usually about 24"-28" when i move them to the flower cab.

One thing i found is for vertical to work well you have to veg vertical as well. With a horizontal scrog i dont have to worry about that. if the plants are higher than the screen. i just super crop them at screen level, tie them horizontally and let them go.

 

[dtfsux]

When you hang your bulb vertically, it seems like the light would shine outwards or sideways, while your plants are under the bulb. Seems like that's the whole purpose behind a vertical garden to take advantage of the 360 degrees of light, and stack the plants vertically. When using vertical bulbs, and flat gardens, it seems like the whole point is being missed.

 

[wickedpete66]

When you hang your bulb vertically, it seems like the light would shine outwards or sideways, while your plants are under the bulb. Seems like that's the whole purpose behind a vertical garden to take advantage of the 360 degrees of light, and stack the plants vertically. When using vertical bulbs, and flat gardens, it seems like the whole point is being missed.

When i speak of flat garden. I am talking about a single level. For me that would be 6 pots around a single 600 or 1000 watt bulb.

Because i dont veg these plants vertically. they tend to be under developed at the mid to bottom of the plant. The plant is basically trying to set itself to the light and flower at the same time. If i had vegged under the light the side branches would have already been set up for optimal light.

 

[johnny butt]

It can work pretty well on flat gardens where cooling and height restrictions are of concern.

I veg horizontally, and let them grow into beanstalks. When I repot and get ready to flower, I add the screen, and bend them down to encourage secondary growth. They need a little time to adjust to the vertical lighting before the flip, but it is definitely doable. It might not be as efficient as levels with shelves or colis, but I think the v-scrog competes quite nicely with the horizontal scrog and is a great way to maximize space...

I agree that putting the light above the plants vertically is a waste of lumens... It needs to be right in there

I've got 8 going around 650w right now




JB

 

[what the]

I agree that putting the light above the plants vertically is a waste of lumens... It needs to be right in there

yup.

I think of vertical as either tiered or vertical lights with shrubs/trees surrounding them. This works really well with multiple lights in between 3'-6' plants. Checkerboard of lights and plants.
I've seen some grows like this where the sides of the plants explode with buds. High quantity with low plant numbers.

 

[bobblehead]

The number of plants isn't as important as the height of the plants. Me personally, up until now I haven't been taking advantage of all my space. Now I have large plants in a back row of 3gal bags, and a front from of smaller plants in 1gal bags. I'm only running 600's, and really I think they're only effective for a 3-4ft of plants height. Before this I was running 1k's, with only 1 level of bushes, pulling 1.5lbs a lamp. I'm sure I would have got 3lbs if I had another level, but 1.5 aint bad...

 

[Zygomatic Major]

The vertical in vertical growing refers to the position of the lights only, you can do whatever you like with the plants. Tiers and columns are great for maximizing canopy yeah but it's a shit load more preparation work and expense than just having large plants surrounding bulbs. Personally I love big plants with buds the size of you leg.

 

[Centrum]

My idea of optimum growing is to grow the plants around a vertically hung bulb.
Not to hang the vertical bulbs around the plants.
I have seen some beautiful grows done both ways.

But in the end i dont like the light that is being wasted on the ends of the plants in an open hung vertical grow.

Where as an enclosed structure like a coli or omega or homebuilt bookcase like contraption circling round the vertically hung bulb wastes very little light and seems to be the most efficient way to use everything from one bulb.


Guess its time to name the different styles huh.


Take care.

 

[Shcrews]

I see some nice grows here but maybe my definition of a vertical grow is different. When I hear vertical grow, I expect to see plants on multiple levels like on shelves.

Hanging bulbs vertically on a flat garden doesn't seem very high tech/cutting edge nor something that should be in the vert/coli forum. To me the vert/coli forum should be a place where growers are utilizing space better/differently

The grows are great, its just my opinion they may be mis-categorized.

you're thinking of a "vertical bulb" grow, which is sometimes called "vertical" but is really just a flat grow with bare bulbs (or cool tubes)

look at Krunch, he ran two flat rooms with vertical bare bulbs (10kw), and two vertical rooms with shelves etc (6kw)... big difference.

or the infamous Krusty, who swore by hanging lights vertically among his trees, but never called it a "vertical grow"

..i think ur just reading the wrong threads dude, the real vert growers here are maximizing space like no other

 

[what the]

or the infamous Krusty, who swore by hanging lights vertically among his trees, but never called it a "vertical grow"

I miss Krusty. That dude did not f@ck around.

 

[FreezerBoy]

When I hear vertical grow, I expect to see plants on multiple levels like on shelves.

Why?

All Chihuahuas are dogs but, not all dogs are Chihuahuas. Vertical simply means plants surround a vertically placed lamp. What you've described is stadium or coliseum, neither of which are required to count as vertical.

 

[dtfsux]

Why?

All Chihuahuas are dogs but, not all dogs are Chihuahuas. Vertical simply means plants surround a vertically placed lamp. What you've described is stadium or coliseum, neither of which are required to count as vertical.

well that is the issue, vertical should have a clearer definition or there should be a general term for coli's stadiums, etc where plants are placed on multiple levels.

In all honesty, and no disrespect to the growers, but there is nothing new or high tech about taking your flat garden, removing the hoods, and hanging the bulbs vertically.

If you have a coli forum, it should be focused on grows that have plants on multi levels.


How about ML grows? Any coli,stadium grow can be called ML LOL

 

[johnny butt]

There's nothing new about hanging your bulbs vertically except for the jump in yield if you do it right...



Vertical is more of a mindset and grow style than simply hanging the bulb a certain way.

 

[Vermonster]

I honestly thought vertical refered to the plants and not the light but suppose it does refer to both.

Seems hanging the light vertically with no downward reflection and putting planst on the ground would be a total waste.

the stadium is where is find myself going after years of 5 gallon vented hood tree growing....i think this just makes more sense for folks not living with lots of space.

Can anyone point me twrds a good thread regarding trimming for vert growing?

 

[bobblehead]

Seems hanging the light vertically with no downward reflection and putting planst on the ground would be a total waste.

Are you trippin? The only difference between a stadium and plants on the ground is the size of the plants. There is no wasted light because there is hardly anything going up and down. All the light goes to the sides.

Courtesy of Johnny Butt

My buds

 

[Vermonster]

I am not trippin, although i do enjoy it from time to time , and yea maybe I went a lil overboard with the gross generalization, but to me it seems you w stadium you can get all that and then put a few guys under the light in the middle and it will in fact be more productive in the long run. Obviously your method works as demonstrated by your pics, just saying that what i thought....also looks like your upstairs while i am down and may have more room....looks nice.

 

[bobblehead]

yeah man, I'm about to come out of the closet any minute now... I just ordered a homebox XXL!

I agree with you that some plants can be put on the floor. In my experience though, they don't turn out as nice... Not quite at dense, but who's complaining about some extra bud, right? I'm still figuring out what works best for me. This next run should be even better... Starting 6 weeks from now.